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Obama's Plan To Seize Control Of Our Economy And Our Lives (Read this executive order)
Forbes ^ | 04/30./2012 | Jim Powell

Posted on 04/30/2012 6:06:21 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

President Obama has made clear that he’s determined to continue pushing his “progressive” agenda, regardless of constitutional limitations on his power. He aims to have his way by issuing more and more executive orders.

The most ominous sign of possible things to come appeared on March 16, 2012, when President Obama signed executive order 13603 about “National Defense Resources Preparedness.”

This 10-page document is a blueprint for a federal takeover of the economy that would dwarf the looming Obamacare takeover of the health insurance business. Specifically, Obama’s plan involves seizing control of:

* “All commodities and products that are capable of being ingested by either human beings or animals”

* “All forms of energy”

* “All forms of civil transportation”

* “All usable water from all sources”

* “Health resources – drugs, biological products, medical devices, materials, facilities, health supplies, services and equipment”

* Forced labor ( or “induction” as the executive order delicately refers to military conscription)

Moreover, federal officials would “issue regulations to prioritize and allocate resources.”

Each government bureaucracy “shall act as necessary and appropriate.”

To be sure, much of this language has appeared in national security executive orders that previous presidents have issued periodically since the beginning of the Cold War.

(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: control; defenseact; esmit; executiveorder; ndrp; obama

1 posted on 04/30/2012 6:06:32 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

For those with an eye for detail, here is Executive Order 13603 :

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2012-03-22/pdf/2012-7019.pdf


2 posted on 04/30/2012 6:07:39 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; ...

Flags waving, America, America... keeping us safe...

That doesnt sound like anything that this SCOTUS would accept, at least not without a Federal Law behind it.


3 posted on 04/30/2012 6:11:58 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely try to screw us.)
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To: SeekAndFind

My understanding of this is that this order has been in effect for a long time, pre-bammers,

and this update just includes language about the DHS instead of another department that was handling “implementation”.


4 posted on 04/30/2012 6:17:14 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: SeekAndFind

Sounds like the plan laid out in “The Road we are Traveling” from the 1940s (or was it 30s)..


5 posted on 04/30/2012 6:18:08 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: SeekAndFind

Andrew Breitbart left us knowing more than he had time to disclose to us.

What did he know that we need to re-discover, document and publish?

Why are ALL of Obama’s important early documents forged?

Where was Obama during his “Lost Years?”

Why are there so few known Obama childhood friends?

How many of Obama’s childhood buddies are still alive?

Was Obama a FOREIGN student at Occidental, Columbia or Harvard?

Who wrote the checks for Obama’s education?

Where these question that Andrew Beitbart knew some of the answers to?

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To tie the above with some speculative food for thought, please indulge me, (but DO ponder the speculations), as I re-post one of my recently updated comments as follows:

A dictator, such as Obama, only has the power that the people give him.

Currently, at least 40 % of polled American voters are gladly willing to give Obama the necessary power to continue his arrogant dictatorship.

About 47 % of American voters pay NO Personal Federal Income Taxes. These voters are the “fair share” voter base for Dictator Obama. We, in the 53 %, then are paying this 47 % to vote for Obama by virtue of us paying taxes for ourselves AND them.

In this manner we are supporting the voters who vote for Obama, and they will vote to do so again in November.

Dictator Obama has designed Obama”care” to become active only AFTER he is to be re-elected, thus enabling THE NINE SUPREMES to delay ruling on the Constitutionality of the dictate of the individual mandate until Obama is once again the Illegal Foreign White House Occupier, (IFWHO).

The purpose of Dictator Baby-Doc Barack is simple: 1.) Regulate; 2.) Control; and 3.) Destroy. By his own count he has already achieved 60 % of his goals, according to the note he says he carries in his pocket.

Obama’s obvious arrogant and deep hatred of America could have only come from what he was taught in his childhood.

Since there are no known networks of childhood friends from Obama’s past, Obama was probably a member of a Marxist sleeper cell funded by wealthy men with a Marxist view of the World.

The lack of credible documents that has NOT been forged requires a long-term, highly skilled and well-funded support group.

Who the key members of Obama’s probable support group and probable sleeper cell were and are is well known to the Interpol, CIA and the FBI.

Will “Citizen Journalists” such as Breitbart Editor Joel Pollack be able to out-spy the latter two US tax-funded spy entities?

BTW, forget about the LAM, (Liberal Agenda Media), as they are saving their notes to write their tell-all Obama books after Obama has SAFELY retired back home in Kenya.

BTW, BTW, to all the doubters of the above speculations: what does your gut tell you?

______________________

The questions we ask
Are simple to say,
One wonders why they
Were not asked,
Back in the Day?


6 posted on 04/30/2012 6:21:11 AM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: SeekAndFind
"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."

This is an update to existing policy, nothing more. No powers were expanded or added, no one's rights any more threatened than they were before this was issued. I doubt this is anything more Machiavellian than it appears on the surface . . . though certainly, when dealing with the left, that always remains a possibility.
7 posted on 04/30/2012 6:21:11 AM PDT by Sudetenland (Anybody but Obama!!!!)
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To: sickoflibs
When the SCOTUS ruled against President Andrew Jackson's ethnic cleaning of the Seminole, Creek, Choctaw, Cherokee and Chickasaw from the Southeast United States, he stated:
“You have made your ruling, now enforce it." Obama could take the same approach. Then in 180 years he would be celebrated by the Democrats the same way Jackson is today.
8 posted on 04/30/2012 6:33:05 AM PDT by Tupelo ( 2012 TEA PARTYER but no longer a Republican)
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To: SeekAndFind
Where is it written that Americans may have/want/have authorized this ‘in camera’ arrangement for the execution of Presidential authority?
9 posted on 04/30/2012 6:35:24 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: MrB

In wide sweeping terms you are indeed correct. But as it was picked apart when it first came out, there are some concerning wording changes.

Changes that do alter the whole intent of the original document. Many of us would not have blinked an eye except for the changes that take this EO out of the realm of preparedness for war/attack to an EO placed in the realm of 0bama’s perceived peacetime needs.

The intentional alteration of the intensity of the document by 0bama is of concern. Before it was pretty clear when such an EO would be implemented. Now, it is not so clear. Who determines the ‘need’ and what are those parameters?


10 posted on 04/30/2012 6:44:55 AM PDT by EBH (The redistibution of another man's money, does not create wealth for the "greater good.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Bookmarked for later perusal.

Thanks!


11 posted on 04/30/2012 6:53:54 AM PDT by Calliecat
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To: Tupelo; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; Impy; stephenjohnbanker; ...
RE :”When the SCOTUS ruled against President Andrew Jackson's ethnic cleaning of the Seminole, Creek, Choctaw, Cherokee and Chickasaw from the Southeast United States, he stated:
“You have made your ruling, now enforce it.” Obama could take the same approach. Then in 180 years he would be celebrated by the Democrats the same way Jackson is today.

And might very well be successful given there is no effective opposition party to Obama since Republicans took control of the House.

Now in a better time Republicans might actually make actions like this and bucking the SCOTUS rulings unpopular.

12 posted on 04/30/2012 6:55:44 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely try to screw us.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Learn from history. In 1933, a fire at the Germany Reichstag building was used as a trumped up emergency for legislation to suspend civil liberties and allowed Hitler to seize dictatorial control. The fire was likely set by Hitler supporters. If reelected Obama already has the authority under this order to do the same...he just needs some kind of nation emergency to use it. Forget about Congress or the SCOTUS doing anything...Obama will ignore them as he has done in the past. Should this happen it will take nothing short of armed rebellion to bring back our democracy.


13 posted on 04/30/2012 7:26:53 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: SeekAndFind

“I think the old standby definitions of who votes for which party have been blown away in this campaign. I think people recognize that I’m not a partisan Republican—that I’m someone who is moderate, and that my views are progressive.”
-Mitt Romney (2002)

Video of the quote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMcjJEXt9To

Obama continued: “I am somebody who is no doubt progressive. I believe in a tax code that we need to make more fair. I believe in universal health care. I believe in making college affordable. I believe in paying our teachers more money. I believe in early childhood education. I believe in a whole lot of things that make me progressive.”
-Barack Obama
http://www.progressive.org/mag/nichols0109.html


14 posted on 04/30/2012 7:32:52 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: sickoflibs

BUMP! to your quote of the day: “And might very well be successful given there is no effective opposition party to Obama since Republicans took control of the House.”

VERY well said! Thanks!


15 posted on 04/30/2012 7:34:16 AM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Graewoulf; Tulane; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; Impy; ...
RE :”BUMP! to your quote of the day: “And might very well be successful given there is no effective opposition party to Obama since Republicans took control of the House.”
VERY well said! Thanks!

In 2010 I was one of the sole freepers here warning that this might happen, that Obama would use a Republican victory to turn attention away from his OWN failures to against ‘Republican congress obstruction’ and demonization of them as extremists(like we havent seen this play out before, Geeze.) .

So they took a few stands and seemed to assume they would all be easy wins, they got crushed on most with humiliating cave in's and now they appear shell shocked and terrified of Obama. It's called ‘Victory without a plan=disaster’.

Now we are promised that just electing Romney will save us, The plan?? Who needs one? Look how well assuming they would get lucky has worked so far.

16 posted on 04/30/2012 7:51:59 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely try to screw us.)
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To: sickoflibs

Now we are promised that just electing Romney will save us, The plan?? Who needs one? Look how well assuming they would get lucky has worked so far.
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The plan:

1. Defeat Obama.
2. Keep the house
3. Take the Senate
4. Repeal Obama Care
5. Repeal Executive Orders and other costly regulations that were put in place by Obama
6. Appoint business friendly judges to the bench
7. Hold Mitt’s feet to the fire like we did when Bush appointed Harriet Myers to the SC.
8. Win more than we lose (Mitt is by no means perfect, but we have a small chance to shape his decisions. We have zero chance with Obama).


17 posted on 04/30/2012 7:58:01 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: SeekAndFind

Them’s fightin’ words...especially the part about our water.


18 posted on 04/30/2012 8:03:54 AM PDT by equaviator
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To: SeekAndFind

Not to worry if Obama is re-elected. Any number of FReepers have told us that Obama is better than Romney.


19 posted on 04/30/2012 8:05:50 AM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: Tulane
RE :”The plan:
1. Defeat Obama.
2. Keep the house
3. Take the Senate
4. Repeal Obama Care
5. Repeal Executive Orders and other costly regulations that were put in place by Obama
6. Appoint business friendly judges to the bench
7. Hold Mitt’s feet to the fire like we did when Bush appointed Harriet Myers to the SC.
8. Win more than we lose (Mitt is by no means perfect, but we have a small chance to shape his decisions. We have zero chance with Obama).

Wasnt some of that stuff what Republicans promised to do if they took the House???.
Empty political promises are far from a plan.

20 posted on 04/30/2012 8:10:36 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely try to screw us.)
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To: sickoflibs

Why don’t you whine some for us this mornin’?

The House passed numerous such bills that are carried around in Harry Reid’s pocket. Your whinin is disconserting


21 posted on 04/30/2012 8:16:40 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: SeekAndFind; EBH; MrB
This is MUCH more than a rehash of the 1958 Emergency Powers.

With just a few changes little bammy has taken the military out of the picture and changed it from "Emergency Powers" to full time, 24-7-365, no end, no sunset.



Don’t know if y’all went through the 16 Mar E O but I finally did.

Here is what jumped out at me...

There is a specific deletion and replacement of the prior EO procedure.

From March 16, 2012.

Sec. 803. Authority. (a) Executive Order 12919 of June 3, 1994, and sections 401(3) (4) of Executive Order 12656 of November 18, 1988, are revoked.

What was it?

A specific part of the Emergency Powers EO that has been handed down since 1957 allows the President to direct allocation of resources during times of national emergency that puts the Secretary of Defense at the top of the food chain for determining what is necessary for National Security.

Sections 401(3) (4) of Executive Order 12656, November 23, 1988

"(3) In cooperation with the Secretary of Defense and other Federal departments and agencies, analyze potential effects of national security emergencies on actual production capability, taking into account the entire production complex, including shortages of resources, and develop preparedness measures to strengthen capabilities for production increases in national security emergencies;

(4) In cooperation with the Secretary of Defense, perform industry analyses to assess capabilities of the commercial industrial base to support the national defense, and develop policy alternatives to improve the international competitiveness of specific domestic industries and their abilities to meet defense program needs;"

Ok, what did he put in its place?

PART IV - VOLUNTARY AGREEMENTS AND ADVISORY COMMITTEES (March 16, 2012.)

Sec. 401. Delegations. The authority of the President under sections 708(c) and (d) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2158(c), (d), is delegated to the heads of agencies otherwise delegated authority under this order. The status of the use of such delegations shall be furnished to the Secretary of Homeland Security.

Sec. 402. Advisory Committees. The authority of the President under section 708(d) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2158(d), and delegated in section 401 of this order (relating to establishment of advisory committees) shall be exercised only after consultation with, and in accordance with, guidelines and procedures established by the Administrator of General Services.

Sec. 403. Regulations. The Secretary of Homeland Security, after approval of the Attorney General, and after consultation by the Attorney General with the Chairman of the Federal Trade Commission, shall promulgate rules pursuant to section 708(e) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2158(e), incorporating standards and procedures by which voluntary agreements and plans of action may be developed and carried out. Such rules may be adopted by other agencies to fulfill the rulemaking requirement of section 708(e) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2158(e).

Basically, he has shut out Sec. Def. (the military) from having any input into what is done under the National Emergency EO.

One more time...





Before...

“ Whereas our national security is dependent upon our ability to assure continuity of government, at every level, in any national security emergency situation that might confront the Nation; and

“ Whereas effective national preparedness planning to meet such an emergency, including a massive nuclear attack, is essential to our national survival; and

“ Whereas effective national preparedness planning requires the identification of functions that would have to be performed during such an emergency, the assignment of responsibility for developing plans for performing these functions, and the assignment of responsibility for developing the capability to implement those plans; and

“ Whereas the Congress has directed the development of such national security emergency preparedness plans and has provided funds for the accomplishment thereof;

“ Now, therefore, by virtue of the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and laws of the United States of America, and pursuant to Reorganization Plan No. 1 of 1958 (72 Stat. 1799), the National Security Act of 1947, as amended, the Defense Production Act of 1950, as amended, and the Federal Civil Defense Act, as amended, it is hereby ordered that the responsibilities of the Federal departments and agencies in national security emergencies shall be as follows:"



After...



Section 101. Purpose. This order delegates authorities and addresses national defense resource policies and programs under the Defense Production Act of 1950, as amended (the "Act"). Sec. 102. Policy. The United States must have an industrial and technological base capable of meeting national defense requirements and capable of contributing to the technological superiority of its national defense equipment in peacetime and in times of national emergency.

"in peacetime and in times of national emergency"


Grabbing power that has been reserved for emergency use only and turning it into “Whaz da Fedz sadz” anytime, any place, “no reason need be given” authoro-tie is in itself a giant FLUKE YOU to every real American Citizen.

Most everyone I speak with understands what he did with the “in peacetime and in times of national emergency” crap.

They get that part.

What they are not seeing is that he has gone waaaaay beyond most folks understanding of this EO as being a full time power grab.

He has locked out the military and put his civilian freak show crew of communists, homos and "progressive liberals" in the top slot for all "advisements."

Basically he has just EO’ed his “civilian national security force” into existence.

Remember that? How did that go?

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set," he said Wednesday. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

He can now have absolute authority over every last action, exchange, movement, speech, transaction, person, resource, activity, protest and prosecution of all Americans.

100% of the time, no matter the circumstance.

Additionally any common activity from paying for things in cash to having a currently running Presidential candidate bumper sticker on your car to taking professional art photographs of a flukeing TRAIN will get you on a DHS list as a suspect “terrorist.”

The “photo of mass destruction...”


http://www.pixiq.com/article/illinois-deputy-threatens-to-add-man-to-terrorist-watch-list

He has everything in place.

Fed LEO’s are just this side of completely brainwashed.

He has a base of government entitlement dependent voter drones.

90% of the MSM as his personal propaganda machine.

If you protest him or “cause a disturbance” in an area controlled by the SS, under HR 347 / Senate Bill 1794, Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act of 2011 (passed and signed) you are a felon. Whether you even knew they were there at the time or not.

And now he has made a huge move with this subtle monstrosity of an Executive Order.

What would anyone say the odds are of a little bammy “October Surprise?”

And what if it appears that he will be denied a second term via poll numbers in mid-October?

What will his communist, narcissistic personality disorder delusion of reality do with that ultimate authority?.


So, let’s review one more time and tell me he isn’t falling further into this very pattern...

By Mayo Clinic staff.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/narcissistic-personality-disorder/DS00652/DSECTION=symptoms

Narcissistic personality disorder is characterized by dramatic, emotional behavior, which is in the same category as antisocial and borderline personality disorders.

Narcissistic personality disorder symptoms may include:
Believing that you're better than others
Fantasizing about power, success and attractiveness
Exaggerating your achievements or talents
Expecting constant praise and admiration
Believing that you're special and acting accordingly
Failing to recognize other people's emotions and feelings
Expecting others to go along with your ideas and plans
Taking advantage of others
Expressing disdain for those you feel are inferior
Being jealous of others
Believing that others are jealous of you
Trouble keeping healthy relationships
Setting unrealistic goals
Being easily hurt and rejected
Having a fragile self-esteem
Appearing as tough-minded or unemotional

Although some features of narcissistic personality disorder may seem like having confidence or strong self-esteem, it's not the same. Narcissistic personality disorder crosses the border of healthy confidence and self-esteem into thinking so highly of yourself that you put yourself on a pedestal. In contrast, people who have healthy confidence and self-esteem don't value themselves more than they value others.

When you have narcissistic personality disorder, you may come across as conceited, boastful or pretentious. You often monopolize conversations. You may belittle or look down on people you perceive as inferior. You may have a sense of entitlement. And when you don't receive the special treatment to which you feel entitled, you may become very impatient or angry. You may insist on having "the best" of everything — the best car, athletic club, medical care or social circles, for instance.

But underneath all this behavior often lies a fragile self-esteem. You have trouble handling anything that may be perceived as criticism. You may have a sense of secret shame and humiliation. And in order to make yourself feel better, you may react with rage or contempt and efforts to belittle the other person to make yourself appear better.

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22 posted on 04/30/2012 8:23:07 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Tulane; Gilbo_3; bert
RE :”7. Hold Mitt’s feet to the fire like we did when Bush appointed Harriet Myers to the SC.
8. Win more than we lose (Mitt is by no means perfect, but we have a small chance to shape his decisions. We have zero chance with Obama).

Republicans only started opposing some stuff Bush did after he was safely elected ~ 2005, and the result of having to do that was hardly pretty : 2009 major power switch. It's a plan for disaster.

If Obama wins Republicans will try to oppose what he does, but if we get a liberal with a Republican label then he gets a blank check for the first four years to give in on anything he wants. Admit it, you have NO idea what a Romney-care would do in the WH.

Liberal Republican Romney, Romney is a liberal.

23 posted on 04/30/2012 8:23:20 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely try to screw us.)
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To: Hawthorn

RE: Any number of FReepers have told us that Obama is better than Romney.

Actually, from what I read in the postings, most of them are STAYING HOME because they claim that a vote for Romney is essentially not going to be different from voting for Obama, so why bother?


24 posted on 04/30/2012 8:24:35 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: sickoflibs

” So they took a few stands and seemed to assume they would all be easy wins, they got crushed on most with humiliating cave in’s and now they appear shell shocked and terrified of Obama. It’s called ‘Victory without a plan=disaster’”

EXACTLY.


25 posted on 04/30/2012 8:28:29 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: sickoflibs

” So they took a few stands and seemed to assume they would all be easy wins, they got crushed on most with humiliating cave in’s and now they appear shell shocked and terrified of Obama. It’s called ‘Victory without a plan=disaster’”

EXACTLY.


26 posted on 04/30/2012 8:36:04 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: SeekAndFind

bookmark


27 posted on 04/30/2012 8:42:47 AM PDT by charlie72
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To: bert; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; Impy; stephenjohnbanker
RE :”The House passed numerous such bills that are carried around in Harry Reid’s pocket

Yes, they passed a number of symbolic bills that went no place; but what did they actually accomplish into law besides lowering their approval rating?

They passed the Deficit Reduction Debt limit deal that :

1) Gave Obama the $3T he needed to get to the election without another fight
2) Gave away their OWN power to negotiate #1 for the next 20 months until the next congress and Obama election is over.
3) Delayed any spending cuts until after the (Obama) election
4) Passed a bill they crafted with Obama and Reid IN SECRET and forced a vote on it after in private rounding up enough in both Parties including Pelosi, without the review that they promised every bill, much like Obama-care was passed.
5) Put in Automatic spending cuts that dont take place till the NEXT CONGRESS, some of which they are already saying they want to restore.
6) Let the Bush tax rates expire at the same time as #5.

28 posted on 04/30/2012 8:48:15 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely try to screw us.)
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To: sickoflibs

True leadership!!

For Obama..


29 posted on 04/30/2012 9:14:09 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: sickoflibs

Admit it, you have NO idea what a Romney-care would do in the WH.


I do know what Obama would do in the WH...I think a second-term-Obama with nothing to lose would be even worse than his first.

I’ll take my chances with a moderate republican. Mitt isn’t my first, second or third choice. Obama is much worse.


30 posted on 04/30/2012 9:32:02 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: Tulane
RE :”Admit it, you have NO idea what a Romney-care would do in the WH.

I do know what Obama would do in the WH...I think a second-term-Obama with nothing to lose would be even worse than his first.
I’ll take my chances with a moderate republican. Mitt isn’t my first, second or third choice. Obama is much worse.

You confirm my point.
Above you are admitting you don't know what Romney would do as POTUS and you don't care. That is the blank check for 4 years I referenced, and Romney is NO moderate. He is a liberal. God knows what liberal policies he would talk Republicans into supporting with the R name on them if he got the chance.

31 posted on 04/30/2012 9:40:27 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely try to screw us.)
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To: sickoflibs

Ethnic cleansing by Jackson is viewed as a triumph? Who says this?! I believe it was a shameful act in our nation’s history.


32 posted on 04/30/2012 9:42:38 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife ("Find rest, O my soul, in God alone; my hope comes from Him." -Psalm 62:5)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife

I think the commenter was referencing public opinion much closer to that time in history than now.


33 posted on 04/30/2012 9:48:44 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely try to screw us.)
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To: sickoflibs

You confirm my point.
Above you are admitting you don’t know what Romney would do as POTUS and you don’t care.


With all due respect, that is a gross characterization of my point. I absolutely do “care,” and I resent that you choose to label my convictions that way, simply because we disagree on a point.

I think Romney would be less problematic than Obama. You never know what any politician will do. Most are prima donas concerned with only one thing — getting elected. At least Romney has run a business and is fluent in finance. Obama doesn’t know how to spell the word.


34 posted on 04/30/2012 9:51:08 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: Pan_Yans Wife; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; Impy; ...
RE :”Ethnic cleansing by Jackson is viewed as a triumph? Who says this?! I believe it was a shameful act in our nation’s history.

Ethnic cleaning is out of character for Dems. I expect Obama and Pelosi want ‘ Equity Cleansing ’ .

Obviously those that are making money now are the cause of all the national problems and must be rounded up and their assets seized for the 99% (really the 60%) in a ‘trust’ managed by the government much like the Social Security surplus is.

Lucky for Dems 'the rich' have their own Quislings like Buffet who are willing to turn in their own kind to the 'equity police' in return for favorable treatment.

35 posted on 04/30/2012 9:57:59 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely try to screw us.)
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To: Tulane
RE :”....and I resent that you choose to label my convictions that way, simply because we disagree on a point.

I have no way of knowing what your convictions are, I was responding specifically to what you posted.
You replied to me that you know what Obama would do in response to my point that you have no idea what Romney would do. I call that a blank check.

Liberal Republican Romney, Romney is a liberal.

36 posted on 04/30/2012 10:07:22 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely try to screw us.)
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To: sickoflibs

I have no way of knowing what your convictions are, I was responding specifically to what you posted.
You replied to me that you know what Obama would do in response to my point that you have no idea what Romney would do. I call that a blank check.
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Yes, and in no place did I write that I “don’t care.” You invented that.

I don’t make it a habit to argue with other conservatives, even those that are misguided. Have a good one and God bless...


37 posted on 04/30/2012 10:09:48 AM PDT by Tulane
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To: sickoflibs

Lucky for Dems ‘the rich’ have their own Quislings like Buffet who are willing to turn in their own kind to the ‘equity police’ in return for favorable treatment.


38 posted on 04/30/2012 10:14:04 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: SeekAndFind

>> from what I read in the postings, most of them are STAYING HOME because they claim that a vote for Romney is essentially not going to be different from voting for Obama <<

Well, in my opinion, these people are really stuck on super-stupid, because if they stay home, then they can’t vote for conservatives down-ticket.


39 posted on 04/30/2012 10:40:45 AM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s not a problem, as long as it keeps us safe from terrorism.


40 posted on 04/30/2012 10:43:36 AM PDT by Jay Santos CP ("Idiocracy"... It's no longer just a movie.)
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To: sickoflibs; Pan_Yans Wife; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; Impy; ...
Obviously those that are making money now are the cause of all the national problems and must be rounded up and their assets seized for the 99% (really the 60%) in a ‘trust’ managed by the government much like the Social Security surplus is.


41 posted on 04/30/2012 2:39:27 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: TLI; sickoflibs
TLI, "Thank You" for summing it up so well...

the 'boilerplate' that was handed down for decades was quietly, so far, changed in radical muzzcomm fashion by a few words and phrases...

anybody that doesnt believe its serious needs only recall another *slick* [cough] attorney arguing the 'the meaning of "is"'...

left unchecked, and it will be, this simple power grab another in a long train of abuses, and likely the worst yet...

42 posted on 05/01/2012 4:47:09 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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