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‘Ghost’ holster not cop friendly (New York barf alert)
nydailynews.com ^ | 27 April, 2012 | Rocco Parascandola

Posted on 04/30/2012 6:53:47 AM PDT by marktwain

POLICE OFFICERS have been warned of a new threat to their lives — a holster that allows criminals to hide their guns and even fire through their clothing, police sources said.

The safety alert, posted in precincts throughout the city, advises cops of the dangerous so-called “ghost holsters.”

The holster is a pouch that, depending on the size of the gun, provides the user enough room to reach in and fire through clothing without removing the firearm.

Police sources said officers have been told that the holster can be worn on the stomach.

That could allow criminals to better conceal the gun under bulky clothing, making it more difficult to spot someone whose gait or body language would otherwise indicate they were packing heat, sources said.

Officers have been told to be extra diligent when patting down suspects, something police do about 300,000 times a year.

The NYPD said the alert was created by its Intelligence Division after it learned of the holster from another law enforcement agency.

Police departments across the country routinely share information with each other — everything from newfangled weapons to information about wanted criminals.

No ghost holsters have been found in the city.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: banglist; constitution; newyork; police
"No ghost holsters have been found in the city."

300,000 mostly illegal searches for weapons a year, and they have not found one. No wonder they call it a "ghost" holster.

Criminals almost never use holsters, and many guns have been able to fire through clothing for decades.

I wonder if this has anything to do with the police chief running for mayor, and the heat that he has been taking for all the violations of the constitution.

1 posted on 04/30/2012 6:54:04 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
Guns are bad, mmmmk?


2 posted on 04/30/2012 6:57:45 AM PDT by bolobaby
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To: marktwain

“Ghost” holster=Hoodie pocket.


3 posted on 04/30/2012 6:58:46 AM PDT by 762X51
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To: marktwain

The obvious solution is for everyone in NYC to go naked.


4 posted on 04/30/2012 6:59:23 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: marktwain

The only reference I could find on the web for “Ghost Holster” was for a slick IPSC rig. Not very practical, and at $150, I don’t think the homies will be buying many.


5 posted on 04/30/2012 7:03:09 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: marktwain
The holster is a pouch that, depending on the size of the gun, provides the user enough room to reach in and fire through clothing without removing the firearm.

100% pure, unfiltered bullsh!t.

Can the slide cycle in this "ghost holster"?

I doubt it.

Thank you for one more reason I will never, no never, set foot in the city or state of NY ever again.

6 posted on 04/30/2012 7:04:05 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: marktwain
No ghost holsters have been found in the city.

We used to call them "pockets".


7 posted on 04/30/2012 7:04:09 AM PDT by Iron Munro (If Repub's paid as much attention to Rush Limbaugh as the Dem's do, we wouldn't be in this mess)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

I think this is another wildgoose chase by libs, like the "Homeboy Nite Sights" fiasco.

8 posted on 04/30/2012 7:06:11 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: marktwain

This is impossible as carrying weapons concealed in NYC is against the law!


9 posted on 04/30/2012 7:08:08 AM PDT by Envisioning (Call me a racist........, one more time..........)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Homeboy Night Sights

Had to Google that.

ROFL!

If our humor is working as agitprop for the Left, we need to keep it up!

10 posted on 04/30/2012 7:08:19 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: marktwain

OK, that is why it is called concealed carry... WTH. Hey, I’m all for strutting a 50AE now and then too, if that is what they want.

Next they will moan about the “ambiguity” of the gait of people walking as if they have a gun but we are not sure etc...


11 posted on 04/30/2012 7:10:46 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: backwoods-engineer
I've seen pictures of this and it is almost like wrapping your gun in panty hose and wrapping it around your waist.

I could see somebody getting a shot off and then having some serious malfunctions. There is no way to really present the weapon and get an aimed shot off.

12 posted on 04/30/2012 7:11:31 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
I think this is another wildgoose chase by libs, like the "Homeboy Nite Sights" fiasco.


13 posted on 04/30/2012 7:26:57 AM PDT by Iron Munro (If Repub's paid as much attention to Rush Limbaugh as the Dem's do, we wouldn't be in this mess)
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To: marktwain

You can easily fire through any nylon holster. I have 2 that are open on the end so there is no resistance if I have to fire through it. My holster of choice though is a leather Bianchi ISW.

That said, as posted upthread, most criminals don’t use holsters.


14 posted on 04/30/2012 7:33:26 AM PDT by reaganaut (There is no such thing as the 'lesser of two evils'. Both are still evil. Romney = Obama)
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To: marktwain

“The holster is a pouch that, depending on the size of the gun, provides the user enough room to reach in and fire through clothing without removing the firearm.”

Some people call it a pocket.

If guns couldn’t fire through clothes, we would be bullet proof.


15 posted on 04/30/2012 7:38:55 AM PDT by pallis
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To: backwoods-engineer
...fire through clothing without removing the firearm...

Anyone shooting a gun through thier clothing may be in for a surprise. I recall an old anecdote about a gangster thug that put himself in the hospital by firing a revolver from his coat pocket. He was wearing a synthetic jacket and it ignited and burned like a torch. I couldn't find a cite, it was from an old G&A issue back in the 90s (that was the last time I ever got G&A).

16 posted on 04/30/2012 7:44:39 AM PDT by jboot
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To: Tijeras_Slim

What am I looking at?


17 posted on 04/30/2012 7:47:44 AM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: backwoods-engineer
Can the slide cycle in this "ghost holster"?

You would only want to try this with a revolver. Even then, muzzle flash may burn you and make your clothing catch fire (which might be conspicuous).

What I think they are talking about are "Belly Band" and "Thunderwear" holsters, both styles of which have been around for many, many years.

18 posted on 04/30/2012 8:15:48 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: marktwain

If a bullet can’t penetrate clothing, it’s not much use!!!


19 posted on 04/30/2012 8:19:22 AM PDT by catman67
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To: dangerdoc

Looks like a professional speed draw holster.


20 posted on 04/30/2012 9:26:56 AM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: PapaBear3625

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H0dYEjR-jA

watch this vid and notice the side of his belly is all taped up. also, towards the end of the vid you will see the burnt spots on the tape...at about 4 minutes.

Revolvers kick a blast out sideways from the gap between the cylinder and the barrel. It is like a flame thrower.

Here’s another clip of a guy holding a hot dog next to the revolver when fired to show the damage to flesh from the blast coming out the side of a revolver.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_TNvPhTiB8

I don’t think you want to shoot a revolver while its in your pocket.


21 posted on 04/30/2012 9:36:36 AM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: marktwain
I think criminals and gang bangers who carry a firearm in such a fashion that they can fire it while concealed a far more likely to shoot themselves then anyone else.

Does The name Plaxico Buress ring a bell?

22 posted on 04/30/2012 10:16:56 AM PDT by Carbonsteel
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To: mamelukesabre

Yup, powder burns are to be expected when you are close to the point of exit. I looked at your videos and my conclusion is the .44 would have a much larger cylinder gap and barrel flash than my .38 does.

Quite a few years ago, I intentionally fired my Chief Special while my hand was holding it under my jacket. I pulled it out of my shoulder holster and point shot the target through the side of my jacket. I was wearing a cotton shirt and a Levi jacket.

As expected, it singed the hairs on my fingers and left a powder burn on my shirt and the jacket BUT I had not lost my night vision which was the intention of the test.

I think I was firing Winchester or Federal loads which I had tested for the smallest night vision ruining gap flash. I recall that Remingtons would absolutely blind you for ten minutes when it was pitch black outside. Remingtons had a monstrous bright white flash as if someone was using a flash camera. Winchester had the orangest flash of the loads I tested which allowed your night vision to recover faster.


23 posted on 04/30/2012 11:23:49 AM PDT by B4Ranch (There's Two Choices... Stand Up and Be Counted ... Or Line Up and Be Numbered .)
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To: mamelukesabre
I don’t think you want to shoot a revolver while its in your pocket.

From my #18, I never said it was a good idea, and noted that it may result in you being burned. I just meant that a revolver would be less likely to jam from an in-pocket firing than a semi-auto.

Back in the days when work required me to be in a bad area late at night, I would walk to my car with my hands in my pocket, holding a .38 snubby in my coat pocket. To be sure, I would take it out of my pocket if at all possible if I needed to fire.

Even so, I could see one or two scenarios where I might need to fire the first shot through the pocket, such as a mugger already having a weapon up against me.

24 posted on 04/30/2012 12:02:03 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: B4Ranch

I think it’s chamber pressure that makes the barrel gap blast more destructive. I think I read about a guy shooting a S&W500 magnum a few years ago who had his thumb near the gap and the blast severed his thumb. He was holding it like a rifle with his left hand under the cylinder/barrel.


25 posted on 04/30/2012 12:03:28 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: PapaBear3625

I suppose you could push the gun as far away from your belly as possible before you pull the trigger.


26 posted on 04/30/2012 12:59:24 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

Coat pocket. If firing at somebody in front of you, the gun would be angled away from being against your body.


27 posted on 04/30/2012 2:06:00 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: marktwain; All

More officers die from donuts than from these holsters.

The Daily News should do a story on killer donuts.


28 posted on 04/30/2012 2:27:17 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: PapaBear3625
I have pointed a gun at another human being twice in my life...once it was in the pocket of my leather bomber jacket (on the subway in Bklyn around 03:30 - circa 1979)...the second time it was in a Dunkin Donuts bag on the bench seat of my '78 Granada (Lenox Ave and 122St circa 1981).

Both times Mr. Dirtbag decided not to see what was in my hand.

One was a five-shot .38 S&W snubbie (jacket pocket)...the gun in the donut bag was a Ruger Security Six (.357 Mag) with a four inch barrel.

29 posted on 04/30/2012 2:40:40 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: wtc911
.the second time it was in a Dunkin Donuts bag

What are you trying to do, bait the cops?

For anybody trying to figure out what holster the source is talking about it is actually called GhostBelt and can be found at Ghostbelt.com. It might be a good way to conceal a weapon and get one round off, but it isn't a quick way to draw and fire well aimed rounds at a threat.

30 posted on 04/30/2012 3:06:56 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit
I was solo, watching a doorway on a particularly bad street uptown...lots of activity all night long...assholes fifty yards away around a fire in an oil drum...it was winter.

I kept the Ruger in the bag and the bag on the seat next to my leg. A stick-up kid cruised by twice checking me out. I knew the deal. The third time he came up on my blind side. I put my hand in the bag, leaned across the seat and pointed it at him. He thought better of finding out if I was holding a cruller inside the bag. He drifted...there's more to the story but that's the gist of it.

31 posted on 04/30/2012 3:19:19 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: marktwain

I don’t see how this is a problem, given that handguns are all but illegal in NYC. What would one keep in such a holster? Skittles?


32 posted on 04/30/2012 10:57:49 PM PDT by Redcloak (Mitt Romney: Puttin' the "Country club" back in "Republican".)
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To: marktwain
Sounds dangerous.


33 posted on 05/01/2012 7:42:58 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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