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Voting for Romney (D-Mass.): The Worst Mistake a Conservative Could Make
Country Thinker ^ | april 7, 2012 | Ted Lacksonen

Posted on 04/30/2012 9:14:40 AM PDT by Mozilla

Why am I so pas­sion­ate today? Well, most read­ers who visit here know the coun­try is in deep doo-​​doo. I’m here to tell you that vot­ing for Mitt Rom­ney (D-​​Mass.) will not change that fact and may make things worse. I will explain two things. First, Rom­ney (D-​​Mass.) is the pre­sump­tive Repub­li­can nom­i­nee pre­cisely because he will do noth­ing to improve our country’s for­tunes. He is the cho­sen one because he will main­tain the sta­tus quo. That is what the GOP machine has cho­sen him to do.

Sec­ond, you can­not “take over” the Repub­li­can machine and turn it into some­thing in decent. I have made that state­ment before, but I’m going to describe the machine in greater detail. Keep in mind that this is infor­ma­tion I have obtained from cur­rent and for­mer GOP insid­ers. Every­one on the inside agrees that the Party has been con­structed so it can­not be taken over. They have also con­structed a polit­i­cal sys­tem so the polit­i­cal duop­oly is very, very dif­fi­cult to chal­lenge. (Repub­li­can insid­ers HATE polit­i­cal free­dom, like so many other free­doms.) Whether that’s a good thing or bad thing is a mat­ter of judg­ment. For con­ser­v­a­tives and lib­er­tar­i­ans it’s bad. For estab­lish­men­tar­i­ans it’s wonderful.

Finally I will explain why vot­ing for Rom­ney (D-​​Mass.) is the worst thing you can do, regard­less of whether you’re a “prin­ci­pals” voter or a “strate­gic” voter.

If you are not one hun­dred per­cent con­vinced that I am cor­rect in those state­ments, you absolutely must read the rest of this piece and tell me where I’m wrong. I know I’m cor­rect, and I can assure you that if you vote for Rom­ney (D-Mass.) it will be the great­est polit­i­cal regret of your life.

(Excerpt) Read more at countrythinker.com ...


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To: INVAR

From your insult laden post I take it you actually believe the Republic will survive four more years of the little bastard commie. ... And of course if it doesn’t, well the detah of tens of millions is of no consequence in your calculus, eh?


51 posted on 04/30/2012 10:18:04 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: ScottinVA

As i respect yours. I do believe the maximum impact is to establish a viable 3rd party,perhaps pulling some of the smaller ones together and running for some congressional seats. It must be built. It may only take 2-3 cycles if the candidates are good and not like some that ran under the guise of the Tea Party in 08. Pure opportunists and their performance showed.
I fully understand peoples frustrations. Their desire to get things right as soon as possible. I don’t see how that’s remotely feasible.


52 posted on 04/30/2012 10:20:38 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Mozilla
That is the most truth telling article I have read in a while. I couldn’t agree with it more. People need to wake up.
There is absolutely no difference between the two.
I will not vote for neither. Period....
53 posted on 04/30/2012 10:21:37 AM PDT by ivory49
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To: INVAR
like all dupes will pull the lever for Romney and erroneously think they are saving the country

It's going to take a lot more than voting for Romney to save the country. But putting him in for four years is certainly going to give us a fighting chance. Obama is already stepping up his rule by executive order. Exactly what do you expect he's going to do in a nothing-to-lose second term? Do you really think Romney is going to get away with what obama is getting away with? Really?

54 posted on 04/30/2012 10:21:44 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: jagusafr
It is a great thing to have high principles and morals BUT one does not have to quit thinking and look at the “long run”. In stead of saying, I'm not voting for Romney even if it puts this Idiot Obama back in for four more years, why not say, Okay, I don't care much at all for Romney but he is the one running against a total disaster. I will vote for him now because I have to but after he is in, I will shoot for raising up a real Conservative to put in after Romney's first term. I'm saying THINK, THINK THINK, people. Principles and morals are NOT stupid, people are.
55 posted on 04/30/2012 10:25:05 AM PDT by fish hawk (Religion: Man's attempt to gain salvation or the approbation of God by his own works)
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To: fish hawk
I will shoot for raising up a real Conservative to put in after Romney's first term.

That will never happen, a sitting President will never again, not be the Party nominee when he runs for re-election, if Mitt somehow wins, the GOP is stuck with him for two election cycles.

56 posted on 04/30/2012 10:27:49 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: INVAR

“Ruling Class”? That’s Marxist terminology.


57 posted on 04/30/2012 10:29:15 AM PDT by Ge0ffrey
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To: Mozilla

What exactly does fighting the system entail? Is it something that realistically has a chance to succeed? If so, can it be done by November?


58 posted on 04/30/2012 10:29:32 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: Mozilla
PRINCIPLED CONSERVATIVES: "My hyprocrisy goes only so far."

STRATEGIC VOTERS: "My hypocrisy knows no bounds."

59 posted on 04/30/2012 10:32:10 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Politics is fake. I think it's owned by Vince Mcmahon)
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To: stuartcr

Today. Right this minute is when we should be preparing for 2016. Not sitting around grousing about our lack of choice. This is when one holds their nose and chooses the lesser of two evils. Tomorrow. That’s what we fight for. Its what we can build for.


60 posted on 04/30/2012 10:34:34 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: knarf
This has got to be the stupidest attitude ever in FreeRepublic.

Nope one of the smartest, but Frerepublic has picked up some of the more stupid Romney People and a smattering of Newbies that think (R) by the name means something.

61 posted on 04/30/2012 10:36:43 AM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period, and by election day you won't like him either.)
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To: MHGinTN
From your insult laden post I take it you actually believe the Republic will survive four more years of the little bastard commie. ... And of course if it doesn’t, well the detah of tens of millions is of no consequence in your calculus, eh?

You people will stoop to such lows won't ya? No wonder I can't tell the difference in a MittWitt and an Obama Drone.

Look toots, the lame attempt at fearmongering us to vote for Romney is a non-starter. We're driven by principles, not political expedience.

And even if Obama goes full-on Soviet or Khmer Rouge, the bloodshed is on the hands of the GOP-e and their MarxoFascist allies, who forced their candidate on us so he could lose to Obama and they can continue to spoon feed you the illusion that you had a choice.

We do not accept the votebeater excuse any longer, and the pathetic attempts to charge us with genocide if we don't vote for Romney....beyond the pale, but fully expected from allies of the Left.

62 posted on 04/30/2012 10:36:51 AM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: G Larry
Where do these clowns come from, who believe America can survive an Obama 2nd term?

I know it is a stretch, but just maybe you could encourage Boehner to get off his arse and defend the Constitution, I know it is a novel idea since they apparently are not required to read the document that they take an oath to defend.

63 posted on 04/30/2012 10:41:39 AM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period, and by election day you won't like him either.)
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To: Mozilla; All

Decisions ... Decisions ... Four more years of Obama with an antagonistic congress holding him at bay the best they can and impeachment looming over his head? Or 8 years of Romney with the democrats and rinos rubber stamping every one of his socialist leaning initiatives because he's on their team. Sounds like an easy call. It's like sacrificing the queen in a game of chess. You hate to lose your best piece (the Executive Office) to your opponent. But some times it is the only way to win the match. I'd rather have the opponent on the field in front of me (Obama), than have the opponent wearing my uniform at my back (Romney). Once you start dividing the front lines, you start losing battles. If Romney wins, the line between the republican party and democrat party disappears. We'll all be liberals. That is not acceptable. At this time, I think I'll vote for Goode.


64 posted on 04/30/2012 10:41:49 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: jersey117
It's going to take a lot more than voting for Romney to save the country. But putting him in for four years is certainly going to give us a fighting chance.

I bought that line last cycle. I have repented of my sin and hypocrisy to my Lord and my principles when I cast the vote in 2008. Never again. That line of reasoning is dead, false and just plain stupid in the face of facts, morals and history.

65 posted on 04/30/2012 10:42:01 AM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: dfwgator
Sooooo, you can live easier with what is going down now than that???? give me a (expletive) break!!!
66 posted on 04/30/2012 10:42:35 AM PDT by fish hawk (Religion: Man's attempt to gain salvation or the approbation of God by his own works)
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To: Mozilla; Jim Robinson
Anyone who believes that Mitt Romney can defeat Obama is in denial.

The dislike of Romney's personality and arrogance will keep Obama in power.

Remember high school? Romney is the guy from the prep school on the hill who would drive his Cadillac convertible by your public school at noon hour sneering at the commoners. ("I'll bet you $10,000.) He's STILL doing the same thing. He believes just what is going on in this thread, that he doesn't have to do anything except be the "Not Obama".

His nasty campaign tactics will be fruitless against Obama, because the Obama campaign will be relentless in every way including Mitt's mormonism.

Regardless of the pandering of SOME religious leaders, there are many Evangelicals who will refuse to pull the lever for him. The demonization by Mitt of the other Republican candidates will come back to bite him in the butt.

Obama will again rally the youth vote and the pro-abortion forces, the minorities, the PC crowd and the unions (look for Mitt to flip to pro-choice) and don't ignore the voter fraud.

Dorky Mitt Romney against the "cool black man"...no way in hell. There are too many voters who are waiting for their share of Obama's stash.

67 posted on 04/30/2012 10:43:40 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The epitome of stupidity is a member of a proven racist sect running against a black man.)
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To: Ge0ffrey
“Ruling Class”? That’s Marxist terminology.

Google is your friend. You will find a Conservative article on that very phrase and what and whom it identifies as 'ruling class'.

68 posted on 04/30/2012 10:44:54 AM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: INVAR

And in typical alinsky style, you spittled forth but did not answer the questions. I think you’re a leftist shill, sweetums.


69 posted on 04/30/2012 10:47:06 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: wiggen

So what should we do today?


70 posted on 04/30/2012 10:47:29 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: stuartcr
So what should we do today?

Post questions of seven words or less.

71 posted on 04/30/2012 10:49:14 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: MHGinTN
And in typical alinsky style, you spittled forth but did not answer the questions. I think you’re a leftist shill, sweetums.

You're projecting. However, coming from a MittWitt like yourself, I'll take your insult as a compliment.

And I answered the questions, in full.

You just didn't like the answers.

72 posted on 04/30/2012 10:50:51 AM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: wiggen
Its no longer about pride. It’s no longer about options. Let the Kenyan back in and this nation will cease to exist as we know it. If Romney wants a second term then he’ll have to play ball with the right. We can work to deny him a second one.

Amen!

73 posted on 04/30/2012 10:52:35 AM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: Ge0ffrey

>>I’m a conservative and I’m not walking, I’m running to the polls to vote for Romney...if he’s the nominee.

So instead of 4 more years of Obama, you’ll vote for 8 more years of Obama. Yeah, that seems wise. (/sarcasm)


74 posted on 04/30/2012 10:54:46 AM PDT by vikingd00d (chown -R us ./base)
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To: Mozilla

I agree with you.


75 posted on 04/30/2012 10:57:02 AM PDT by hotsteppa
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To: COBOL2Java

works for me


76 posted on 04/30/2012 10:57:21 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: greyfoxx39
Anyone who believes that Mitt Romney can defeat Obama is in denial.

That's why all of these threads are moot....Mitt ain't gonna win, anyway.

77 posted on 04/30/2012 10:57:21 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: INVAR
I have repented of my sin and hypocrisy to my Lord and my principles when I cast the vote in 2008. Never again. That line of reasoning is dead, false.

With all due respect, I think your line of reasoning is dead false. In 2008 we didn't have the foresight to know the extent to which obama would push the envelope and trample the Constitution. We now have his first term as Exhibit A. I strongly believe an exception should be made in the case of Hussein. I also think it was a mistake for conservatives (or republicans) to not have "groomed" a candidate after the '08 election. We made the same mistake in 2008 which is how we got stuck with McCain.

78 posted on 04/30/2012 10:58:47 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: G Larry

Where do these clowns come from, who believe America can survive an Obama 2nd term?

The other side to your coin : Where do these clowns come from, who believe America can survive as we know it after replacing Obama with Obama-lite and allowing the socialist initiatives to continue uncontested under the "republican" banner for eight years?


79 posted on 04/30/2012 11:00:31 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Marguerite

OK ... so ... who’ya votin’ for?


80 posted on 04/30/2012 11:01:22 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Mozilla

Mr Lacksonen certainly wrote a *long* article on Saturday, April 7. I won’t argue with anything he wrote about our Republican Party or Mitt Romney: some things deserve some argument, but I just don’t feel the need. “The Democrat(ic) party isn’t quite as bad?” The Party that hasn’t offered a budget for almost eleven hundred days isn’t as bad as the one that has offered thirty-odd good bills including at least three tentative-to-fairly polished budgets? The Dems are ripe for another shellacking this year, unless Ted manages to talk, say, a quarter of conservatives to vote for B Hussein and the slate under him. Ted, do you *want* another four years of B Hussein? I don’t! ABO!


81 posted on 04/30/2012 11:02:38 AM PDT by Grampa3711 (Some people bring happiness wherever they go; others, whenever.)
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To: INVAR
So they, like all dupes will pull the lever for Romney and erroneously think they are saving the country - because that’s the narrative the Ruling Class has established.
Look how eagerly they lap it up, all out of fear of Obama.

Well said!

82 posted on 04/30/2012 11:04:17 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The epitome of stupidity is a member of a proven racist sect running against a black man.)
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To: so_real
Where do these clowns come from, who believe America can survive as we know it after replacing Obama with Obama-lite

Because Obama-lite is "white". He won't have the race card pass.

83 posted on 04/30/2012 11:04:56 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: INVAR
A lot of freepers are disappointing me. I agree with you.
84 posted on 04/30/2012 11:05:32 AM PDT by hotsteppa
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To: Marguerite
"Obviously, you can spit or don’t have any principle to defend."

Principle I got ... I jus' don' got no principled candidate.


The generic opinion of Romney is; He's a business man and can bring prosperity/wealth back to America.

I'm suspicious as to HOW he might do this, but I feel confident he CAN.

Look, I don't like him any more than the next guy, and I vascilated a little in the beginning, but I really warmed to Newt when I thought he could outrun Romney. Imagine my surprise when all he could do was 10% ... THAT was a shocker to me.

85 posted on 04/30/2012 11:07:05 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: jersey117

Because Obama-lite is "white". He won't have the race card pass.

Romney did not need the race card to advance the liberal / socialist agenda in his home state :
Most of Governor Romney’s judicial appointees were not conservative. The Boston Globe’s July 2005 “review … of Romney's judicial picks detected no philosophical or partisan pattern.” He “passed over GOP lawyers for three-quarters of the 36 judicial vacancies he has faced [as of July 2005], instead tapping registered Democrats or independents including two gay lawyers who have supported expanded same-sex rights.”

Elect him at your peril and watch him do the same thing to the Supreme Court.


86 posted on 04/30/2012 11:11:53 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: jersey117
With all due respect, I think your line of reasoning is dead false. In 2008 we didn't have the foresight to know the extent to which obama would push the envelope and trample the Constitution.

That's abject crap. YES WE DID. Some of us were paying attention and crying aloud a warning. Some of us READ his "autobiographies" (aka Mein Kampf), his associations with known Communist/Marxist radicals, his WBBM radio interview from 2001.

Don't hand us crap for an argument that we need to vote for Romney because no one had the foresight to know how badly he would trash the Constitution.

The fact was and is again today: not enough give a rat's ass about the Constitution, they want hand-outs and the government to fix the problems.

When enough people make government their god, then government becomes god. And for Romney and the Ruling Class, they want the government to be god as much as Obama's Armies do. They simply want their share of the pie and power.

I made the grave mistake of checking my principles at the door to vote for expedience in 2008 as a check against Obama.

I won't ever make that mistake again. The GOP is dead AFAIC. May it rest in peace next to the Whigs.

87 posted on 04/30/2012 11:13:52 AM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: wiggen
I’m all in for a 3rd party after this election. There’s simply no time now to mount a serious challenge. I simply don’t believe i have the luxury to cast a protest vote.

Are you sure the time will be right then? If Romney wins, I suspect that a lot of people will be saying that it sucks to have to vote for a Romney second term but it is better than Hillary (or whoever the boogy man of 2016 is). They will again being repeating mantra: "Now's no time for a third-party, let's wait until the next election."

If you wait until the time is perfect to exercise your principles, you never will. If you sell out and vote for a 100%, dyed-in-the-wool model of RINOism this time, imagine how easy it will be to vote for an 90% RINO in the future.

88 posted on 04/30/2012 11:15:15 AM PDT by CommerceComet (Obama vs. Romney - clear evidence that our nation has been judged by God and found wanting.)
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To: True Grit
What the hell are you smoking ???

Probably not Hopium.

89 posted on 04/30/2012 11:15:15 AM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period, and by election day you won't like him either.)
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To: so_real
You are basing your decision on Romney's past. We already know Romney is "flexible" - to say the least. This will work in our favor when it comes to holding his feet to the fire.

I am basing my decision on obama's present and my grandkids future.

90 posted on 04/30/2012 11:17:10 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: bossmechanic; TexasCajun; ladymac; luvbach1; Lou L; wiggen; fish hawk; Mr. Lucky; Ge0ffrey; ...
There is nothing worse than Obumo— period. Nothing.

Oh sure there is.

Well.

Not this election.

But just wait.

Some future election.

Where we have the kids & grandkids of pro-Romney FR supporters like TexasCajun; ladymac; luvbach1; Lou L; Wiggen; fish hawk; Mr. Lucky; Ge0frrey; G Larry; Dawebman; tnlibertarian; vikingd00d; knarf; and others in this thread (or others who will come on posting)....

In that future election, there'll be some (r) candidate to the left of Obama runnin' for POTUS...

And because we can ALWAYS count on the (D) candidate being worse, the next-generation(s) relativists of the current FR relativistic cabal will be verbally harassing [some mild, some not] the remnant conservatives for not-voting for the guy/gal-to-the-left-of-Obama as a "better" "lesser of two evils'" "choice."

You buy into political relativism...you get the eternal fruits of it...and a "wonderful" legacy passed on to future generations...

With this kind of active spirit among so-called "conservatives," makes you wonder why the Founding Fathers of this country simply just wouldn't go along with taxation-without representation (& other issues) from the Brits...

Sad. So many FREEPERs today are capitulators & compromisers who bear absolutely NO resemblance to the Founding Fathers' rebellion-is-brewing spirit.

Hence, their need where they have to convert the rest of us. Why? Because we're living reminders to their relativistic conscience that they are searing their conscience with this "waterloo" type of political crossover.

91 posted on 04/30/2012 11:21:59 AM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: Colofornian

Excellently stated and seconded!

AMEN!!


92 posted on 04/30/2012 11:23:56 AM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: INVAR

I was referring to your reasoning for voting GOP-e for McCain. You said never again. McCain is not obama. I am arguing that you now know EXACTLY what obama is capable of yet you are using the ‘08 example for your decision 4 years later.


93 posted on 04/30/2012 11:24:32 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: MHGinTN; INVAR

“And in typical alinsky style, you spittled forth but did not answer the questions. I think you’re a leftist shill, sweetums.”

And if you aren’t a shill buddie, I can tell ya, you are no credit to your candidate.
I don’t really want dillusionals like you in a place of power.


94 posted on 04/30/2012 11:26:07 AM PDT by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: stuartcr

Me? I will vote survival. Building for tomorrow? Educate yourself as to the myriad parties across the nation. Which will fit together. Lets not forget the most important thing when starting a new movement. The leaders cannot be opportunists. They cannot be the same old same old. There may be people in here capable of at least starting the movement in the right direction. Certainly there are those experienced in at least some of the issues needed to be tackled. (Me,i have no idea but i am willing to work in whatever way i can.)
I suggested some of the already existing minor parties but keep in mind they have people in them already who may desire power as much as a main stream politician.
Leaders. We need Leaders.


95 posted on 04/30/2012 11:27:52 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: TexasCajun; Mozilla; ladymac; luvbach1; Lou L; wiggen; fish hawk; Mr. Lucky; G Larry; Dawebman; ...
Four more years of Obamah would be just peachy keen! Are you nuts?????

I s'pose, Mozilla, that the relativists among us consistently preach a distinct headline to us that they better recognize:
Voting for Romney:
The Better 'Evil' [as in a supposed 'lesser thereof']
Risk-take Ex-Conservatives-now-RINO-Romneybots Could Make

Hence...their 'new' 'conservative' confession...
Yes, voting for Romney is 'evil'
Yes, Romney is RINO
Yes, Romney is a big-govt socialistic healthcare pioneer
Yes, Romney has a 14-year wreckless baby-dismembering pro-abort track record from 1994 all the way thru 2007...
Yes, Romney portends to whackily become a full-grown god...
But, hey, at least that evil RINO big-govt socialistic healthcare pioneer pro-abort god has an (R) next to all those adjectives!

[Reminds me of that one 19th century politician...his name temporarily escapes me...who was at least satisfied upon learning that it was "our" rascal vs. the "rascal" of the other party on a given issue]

96 posted on 04/30/2012 11:28:02 AM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: greyfoxx39
He believes just what is going on in this thread, that he doesn't have to do anything except be the "Not Obama".

That's exactly what the people are promoting calling for Romney's campaign donations. I listened to the guys Scripted hype...and he was fear mongering all about keeping Obama from winning. Not 'One' thing said about Romneys policies!....it was all about stopping Obama....and that with his voice two octives higher than normal!

97 posted on 04/30/2012 11:28:18 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Guess what — if you’re not getting your perfect conservative candidate in 2012, you sure as hell aren’t going to get them in 2016.


98 posted on 04/30/2012 11:31:18 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: jersey117

I’m not asking for perfect, mediocre will do just fine.


99 posted on 04/30/2012 11:32:06 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Colofornian
So, go hold your breath until you get your way. Take your ball and go home. I don't give a rat's patootie. Just, don't pretend to be a Revolutionary War patriot because you're pouting over the winner of the Republican nomination.
100 posted on 04/30/2012 11:34:47 AM PDT by tnlibertarian (I <3 PEJSWDTDSOPC)
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