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Fla. Task Force Wants Major Changes To “Stand Your Ground” Law
CBS Miami/AP ^ | April 30, 2012

Posted on 04/30/2012 2:42:00 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

TALLAHASSEE (CBSMiami/AP) —Florida’s controversial “stand your ground” law should undergo major changes but not be repealed, according to an independent task force created in the wake of the Travyon Martin shooting.

State Sen. Chris Smith, who organized a panel of legal experts to look at the state’s “stand your ground” law, delivered recommendations to Gov. Rick Scott and legislative leaders on Monday.

(Excerpt) Read more at miami.cbslocal.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: banglist; democrats; fl; florida; fraud; guns

1 posted on 04/30/2012 2:42:03 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY
"The Fort Lauderdale Democrat said he would sponsor a bill that includes the changes, including one that requires a grand jury to determine whether “stand your ground” can be used to avoid prosecution."

'Rats.......

2 posted on 04/30/2012 2:47:29 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Free ThinkerNY

If I were the governor I put them in File 13. I guess that’s why I’m not a governor. This is clearly a manufactured crisis that needs no attention.


3 posted on 04/30/2012 2:49:23 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

They will tweak the law just enough where on the surface it looks harmless enough but the minute the law is broken, there will be a federal investigation.


4 posted on 04/30/2012 2:49:32 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Would you rather eat dog food or cat food? Guess it's Romney 2012.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The stand your ground law worked perfectly with Zimmerman. If he had not shot Martin, Zimmerman would be dead. If Martin was still alive he should be prosecuted for attempted murder.

No, no changes needed here.


5 posted on 04/30/2012 2:53:27 PM PDT by Any Fate But Submission
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To: Paladin2

I would be in favor of an amendment to the bill calling it... the “Reginald Denny Take Your Beating Law”


6 posted on 04/30/2012 2:55:30 PM PDT by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
So, the DemocRAT from Broward County took it upon himself to convene a panel of legal experts (lawyers) because of a case that happened in Seminole County, based on??????? Zimmerman has not been proved guilty of anything and the only fact we know about the stand your ground law is since its inception, crime is down.

I hope Gov. Scott ash cans the panel's recommendations.

7 posted on 04/30/2012 3:00:19 PM PDT by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

OK. Tweak it. But add a provision that says that the armed security (including police) for state officials and legislators cannot unholster their firearm until the protectee has been shot. That’s “shot” and not “attacked”. If someone wants to go at them with a baseball bat, then they have to run away or just take their beating. If its good enough for the citizenry, it should be good enough for our “leaders”.


8 posted on 04/30/2012 3:06:26 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: JulieRNR21; kinganamort; katherineisgreat; floriduh voter; summer; Goldwater Girl; windchime; ...

Florida Freeper


9 posted on 04/30/2012 3:08:48 PM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
10 posted on 04/30/2012 3:09:01 PM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Paladin2

Just another typical DemoCRAP gun grabber. He was also one of only 20 legislators who voted against it in the first place. Hopefully the Gov will tell him to go pound sand.

It doesn’t even bother them that if Zimmerman was pinned to the ground the Stand Your Ground law doesn’t apply. Self defense laws on the books before Stand Your Ground would have allowed him to shoot Martin.


11 posted on 04/30/2012 3:09:30 PM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: rwilson99

Right on the nose


12 posted on 04/30/2012 3:14:20 PM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Fun for women ages 21 through 35)
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To: Paladin2

If Zimmerman’s case had gone to a grand jury, as Wolfinger had planned, he would not have been charged.


13 posted on 04/30/2012 3:17:34 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Free ThinkerNY

The governor should send him a nice form letter, thanking him for his interest in the operation of the government of the state of Florida, and include a “Visit Florida” bumper sticker.

Sometimes the little insults sting so much more.


14 posted on 04/30/2012 3:18:25 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Bryanw92
I think they the changes they want are:
15 posted on 04/30/2012 3:31:36 PM PDT by DaveyB (Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. -John Adams)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

We’re running out of victims to justify new laws to protect victims.:)


16 posted on 04/30/2012 3:38:19 PM PDT by heshtesh (I believe in Sarah Palin, the rest not so much.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
This is not the governor's task force,
but a group of busybodies who think they ought to dictate our 2nd amendment rights.

Governor Scott would do well to ignore these clowns.

17 posted on 04/30/2012 3:43:27 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Free ThinkerNY
Sen Chris Smith:

Obama: "If I had a brother, he'd look like Chris."

18 posted on 04/30/2012 3:48:33 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Cboldt

Indeed. Everyone skips that part.


19 posted on 04/30/2012 3:48:33 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I don’t see how “Stand your ground” applies here, unless someone is arguing that the law influenced Zimmerman’s thought processes that night. If his story is correct, he pulled his gun after being assaulted, and his self-defense rights are sufficient alone.


20 posted on 04/30/2012 3:50:55 PM PDT by andyk (Go Juan Pablo!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

In other words, better a hundred crackers be killed by black perps, than a single black perp be killed by a cracker.


21 posted on 04/30/2012 3:50:55 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Stand Your Ground doesn’t even apply to this case, yet this horse$hit continues on, and on, and on.......


22 posted on 04/30/2012 3:52:04 PM PDT by WackySam (Obama got Osama just like Nixon landed on the moon.)
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To: WackySam

I wonder if good ol’ Mr. Smith would consider a change in the law if the race of the Martin-Zimmerman was reversed?

Of course not!!!! Chris Smith would be on tv night and day praising what a fine law that was.


23 posted on 04/30/2012 4:02:35 PM PDT by sennabanderas
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To: liberalh8ter; Free ThinkerNY; Joe Brower

You kind of had to read this carefully - this is just a dim Florida senator convening his own panel of “experts” - not the Guv’s panel:

“Smith released the list a day before a separate panel put together by the governor is scheduled to hold its first meeting.”

Any proposals for real change should go to the Guv’s panel.

I’m going to suggest that the law be amended to require the state to pay for the self-defense defendant’s legal costs and fees if the charges are dismissed or he/she found not guilty on self defense grounds AND the state must expunge the arrest records.

The basis for this provision is that the law already provides for IMMUNITY from prosecution in valid cases of self defense.

The law also provides for recovery of costs and fees in a civil damages suit if self defense is established - the state, given its resources should have to do the same.

Perhaps of interest - the original SYG bill included the cost/fees provision against the state but got edited out somewhere along the line before passage.

Where as here, the state proceeds to prosecute they should shoulder the defendant’s costs if its found to be a valid case of self defense. IMHO. ;-)


24 posted on 04/30/2012 4:11:07 PM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Why don’t you try making major changes to the behavior and morality of your people, Mr. Smith, because therein lies the root of the problem.


25 posted on 04/30/2012 4:15:33 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
The major changes they want to make are either repeal it or amend it until it is ineffective. But then again they are not alone. judging by the lynch Zimmerman threads on this forum, they have a lot of company.

They want you to be unable to defend yourself from the criminal element and as evidenced the lynch Zimmerman crowd, so do a lot of members of this forum.

26 posted on 04/30/2012 4:17:16 PM PDT by sport
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To: MtBaldy

It does not bother them a bit that Zimmerman was pinned to the ground. What bothers them is that law abiding citizens were able to defend their lives from the criminal element.


27 posted on 04/30/2012 4:21:50 PM PDT by sport
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To: Paladin2

Affirmative ACtion self defense... here we go.


28 posted on 04/30/2012 4:27:34 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Zhang Fei

Is that a black beanie w/ sideflaps he’s wearing, or is that his (shaved) hairline? I’ll bet he plucks his eyebrows, too. LOL.


29 posted on 04/30/2012 4:30:08 PM PDT by carriage_hill
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To: Joe Brower; Free ThinkerNY

Geez - everybody carries in FLA! We’re old - this is Gods waiting-room.

Never pick a fight with an old guy - he’s too old to fight, so he’ll just shoot ya .................................................... FRegards


30 posted on 04/30/2012 4:50:02 PM PDT by gonzo ( Buy more ammo, dammit! You should already have the firearms ... FRegards)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Yeh, the first ConCon was to only “update” the AoC, too!

But it ended up a secret Concon w/built-in openings for modification (lately called “flaws”)
leading to our present “situation”!

See, for instance William Buppert’s piece on The God That Failed...

Semper Watching!


31 posted on 04/30/2012 4:52:35 PM PDT by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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To: DaveyB

You have the answer.


32 posted on 04/30/2012 4:54:18 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Free ThinkerNY

“an independent task force created in the wake of the Travyon Martin shooting”

Why order a task force in light of the Martin shooting when we don’t even know what happened? What can that case teach us about Stand Your Ground if Stand Your Ground didn’t apply? If Zimmerman somehow lured Martin into attacking him because of his depraved mind, then it’s 2nd degree murder and Stand Your Ground doesn’t apply. If Martin instigated violence against Zimmerman and Zimmerman only fired after he was pinned and had no escape, then Stand Your Ground doesn’t apply.


33 posted on 04/30/2012 5:03:51 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Free ThinkerNY

ALL his recomendations are EXACTLY why we need stand your ground in the first place.

He is exhibit A in all that is wrong with the democrat party.

This report should be circular filed and anyone who signs onto it should be primaried.


34 posted on 04/30/2012 5:07:17 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: MtBaldy

this is about the CIVIL TRIAL lawyers getting back into the act.

Stand your ground includes civil immunity.

A not guilty verdict AND/or a ruling by the judge that stand your ground applies means there can be no civil jury trial jackpot as a matter of law.


35 posted on 04/30/2012 5:11:40 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: andyk

even if the instigator, you do not lose your right to self defense when a person is bashing your skull against the edge of a concrete sidewalk.

Also keep in mind the parents and the mob want an oj style civil trial however, stand your ground provides imunity.

(btw the police admission that they have no witnesses and no way to know what happened pretty much leaves it in the self protection list. iow no jackpot civil suit.)


36 posted on 04/30/2012 5:20:19 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

I still like the lady in the fl legislature who sent a sack of manure. (that is poop for those in rio linda) to the nursing home business lobbyist who was a jerk on a particular matter.

http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/050401/met_6085758.html

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2001-05-03/news/0105030312_1_lobbyist-chase-tallahassee

Please note it was a Republican that sent the gift...


37 posted on 04/30/2012 5:29:20 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Gov Scott has appointed his own panel.


38 posted on 04/30/2012 5:40:23 PM PDT by Retired Chemist
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Ill stand my ground Law or no law


39 posted on 05/01/2012 12:31:23 AM PDT by OPS4 (Ops4 God Bless America!Jesus is Lord)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
State Sen. Chris Smith, who organized a panel of legal experts

Grandstanding Democratic hack who put together a group of Democrat lawyers to attack the right of self defense. "Independent" my a$$

40 posted on 05/01/2012 3:48:00 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

In other words, you must be killed rather than defend yourself.


41 posted on 05/01/2012 5:29:09 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Tunehead54
You kind of had to read this carefully - this is just a dim Florida senator convening his own panel of “experts” - not the Guv’s panel:

Separate but equal?

42 posted on 05/01/2012 5:35:21 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: longtermmemmory
means there can be no civil jury trial jackpot as a matter of law.

Thanks for bringing this up. These civil suits are not easily understood where evidence rules differ from criminal trials and yet, can lead to monetary awards nonetheless. I'm not a lawyer and don't play one on TV so I'm not sure what the purposes for these suits are.

As others have said, stand your ground probably doesn't apply if Trayvon was the aggressor and Zimmerman was getting his head pounded into the ground. Tray's last words were something like, "Okay, you got it." My interpretation is Tray didn't know/think/imagine his 'victim' had a weapon but acknowledged it after it went off in his chest.

Trayvon was a victim of a false narrative generated by the left that white men are cowards, buffoons, and generally wimps. Television reinforces this image daily in most commercials and many popular shows. Hollywood and Wall Street killed Trayvon by generating a false image of a people he might otherwise have had a healthier respect. Movie writers and ad agencies basically convinced Trayvon that it was OK to put your head in an alligator's mouth, as long as it was white.

Sharpton and others have made it their mission to 'tame' the white alligator so the lie remains feasible and race relations continue to favor blacks whose crimes against whites go unnoticed. The first black President, by weighing in, is doing his part to further the falsehood that gives blacks that false sense of security. But here's the bad news: if the so-called black leaders don't do something to educate their youth to the reality of white people in general, many more Trayvons will suffer a similar fate. And, the blood will be on their hands.

43 posted on 05/01/2012 10:54:22 PM PDT by budwiesest (It's that girl from Alaska, again.)
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To: longtermmemmory; Cboldt
>>A not guilty verdict AND/or a ruling by the judge that stand your ground applies means there can be no civil jury trial jackpot as a matter of law.<<

Yes, for sure, if Z is exonerated in a self-defense hearing before a judge, he is immune from civil liability, but are you sure about a not guilty verdict by a jury means no civil trial jackpot in FL?

At least here in CA, a not guilty verdict could easily be followed by a civil jackpot, ala OJ Simpson.

44 posted on 05/02/2012 11:30:36 AM PDT by Aunt Polgara
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To: Aunt Polgara

At his point, in order to get immunity, Zimmerman needs a ruling by the judge. That can happen any time before the jury is charged with rendering a verdict. If the jury is charged, then Zimmerman will not obtain civil immunity.


45 posted on 05/02/2012 8:31:09 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

Thanks, Cboldt. I didn’t realize it could go that far.


46 posted on 05/03/2012 6:03:12 AM PDT by Aunt Polgara
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