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Mitt Romney’s road to presidency this fall looks narrow on electoral map
The Washington Post ^ | April 30, 2012 | Chris Cillizza

Posted on 04/30/2012 9:13:27 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued

Bush’s two successful races, and the map on which he built them, are quite instructive when trying to understand Romney’s narrow margin for error this fall.

In 2000, Bush won 271 electoral votes — one more than he needed to claim the presidency. In eking out that victory, Bush not only carried the South and Plains states with a near sweep but also claimed wins in swing states such as Nevada, Colorado, Missouri and the major electoral-vote prizes of Ohio and Florida.

If Romney was able to duplicate Bush’s 2000 map, he would take 285 electoral votes — thanks to redistricting gains over the past decade.

But to do so, Romney would need not only to win the five swing states mentioned above — with the exception of Missouri, all of them are considered tossups (at worst) for the president at the moment — but also hang on to states such as North Carolina and Virginia where Bush cruised 12 years ago. (Obama carried both states in

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Now, the good(ish) news for Romney is that if he has a low ceiling, he also has a relatively high floor.

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) won 173 electoral votes in 2008. If Romney carried those same 22 states under the 2012 map, he would win 180 electoral votes.

Add Indiana, which McCain lost but which will almost certainly go for Romney in 2012, and the former Massachusetts governor’s electoral floor sits at 191.

Given the narrowness of his electoral map window, the key for Romney this fall is to win in places that Bush, McCain and other Republican nominees over the past two decades have struggled to make inroads. No Republican has carried Pennsylvania (20 electoral votes), Michigan (16) or Wisconsin (10) in any of the past five elections, for example.

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To: presently no screen name
You were only needed to put him in power.

As a Virginia (swing state) voter, why should I not put him in power to replace Obama? I agree there are potential bad outcomes trading a socialist for a liberal. But to me that is a net gain. You have other ideas why Romney is worse but won't itemize them.

101 posted on 05/01/2012 3:25:12 AM PDT by palmer (Jim, please bill me 50 cents for this completely useless post)
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To: Clintonfatigued

You forgot to mention one must-win state for Romney (FL) and one competitive state that could put Romney over the top (CO).

The McCain states + the Omaha CD + IN + NC + VA + FL + OH = 266. If Romney wins those states, he needs just one more state for 270, even if it’s as small as NH (4 EVs). NV, IA or CO would also do the trick. But if Romney can’t win OH, he’s unlikely to win PA or MI, either, and would be unlikely to get to 270.


102 posted on 05/01/2012 3:26:12 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: Clintonfatigued
No Republican has carried Pennsylvania (20 electoral votes), Michigan (16) or Wisconsin (10) in any of the past five elections, for example.

And being a PA resident, I don't see how Romney wins here. You win statewide as a pubbie in PA by starting out as being demonstrably pro-life and pro-gun. False-front Dem groups can run ads showing Romney to be neither.

Romney can try to run away from his history. But the Dems won't let him.

103 posted on 05/01/2012 3:35:10 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: ChiMark
Yeah, FR is going Zer0! It’s become more liberal

Bullcrap and you know it. The GOP-E has chosen a far-left RINO for the nominee. And allowed Romney to destroy all conservative alternatives. They would rather lose with the RINO than win with a conservative. The fault is not that of individual FReepers looking at what Romney and the GOP-E has wrought. The fault is that of the pinheads who brought the party to this morass in the first place.

104 posted on 05/01/2012 3:38:42 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: unkus
I’m voting 0bama. I hate Romney.

If you aren't going to vote for Romney, I would look at not voting for president or voting third-party. Obama IS even worse than Romney (although both suck). Don't reward either major party with your vote for putting up these two lemons this cycle.

105 posted on 05/01/2012 3:41:05 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: palmer

Constitution party has the only prolife candidate, so they’ll earn my vote for the presidency.

Downballot, I’ll vote with the rest of the republican ticket. Gridlock is the best we can do at this point.


106 posted on 05/01/2012 3:52:39 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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To: kearnyirish2

As opposed to Ocare, which got passed while the democrats had supermajorities? I’ll take EOs which get rescinded over O-care anyday.


107 posted on 05/01/2012 3:53:49 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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To: kearnyirish2

Hrm? I didn’t say anything about Christie. My issue with Christie is that he’s soft on guns and babies.

He’s good for New Jersey, but that’s not exactly saying much.

How is Christie prolife? I’ve not seen anything to indicate such.


108 posted on 05/01/2012 3:57:01 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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To: JCBreckenridge

“I’ll take EOs which get rescinded over O-care anyday.”

Have any of Obama’s been rescinded since the Dems lost the House? Can you deal with them for four more years?

If people think this guy hates America now, wait until he’s not running for re-election.


109 posted on 05/01/2012 3:57:56 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: kearnyirish2

“Have any of Obama’s been rescinded since the Dems lost the House? Can you deal with them for four more years?

If people think this guy hates America now, wait until he’s not running for re-election.”

Over Slick Williard and the disaster he left in MA? I’ll take enemy fire over friendly fire anyday.


110 posted on 05/01/2012 3:59:49 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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To: JCBreckenridge

Christie has regularly stated he is pro-life, and has spoken at pro-life rallies; it isn’t new to him. I’m not sure why people think he’s pro-abortion.

As far as guns go, I’m not aware of him targeting guns while in office.

You are right that his solutions for NJ, while effective, probably don’t mean much to people in other parts of the country. As I’ve said in other posts, he has the right enemies.


111 posted on 05/01/2012 4:08:33 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: JCBreckenridge

“Over Slick Williard and the disaster he left in MA? I’ll take enemy fire over friendly fire anyday.”

Maybe you’ll get your wish; I don’t remember this level of revulsion directed at McCain, and I don’t see much difference between them. McCain squandered his opportunity (and four years of our lives), Romney has already attacked Obama more than McCain did throughout his whole campaign.


112 posted on 05/01/2012 4:10:43 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: kearnyirish2

McCain was prolife and supported traditional marriage. Slick Williard has all of his faults, lik reaching around the aisle, and none of his conservative bona fides.

I supported McCain, but I’m not going along with Romney. If the GOP wants my support, nominate someone who believes what I do.


113 posted on 05/01/2012 4:15:09 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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To: kearnyirish2

http://azpundit.com/the-problem-with-chris-christie-for-2012/

Pretty good article, and Ann Coulter’s also been supporting Romney. Ann’s endorsement meant something before, but she’s really been drifting this last while.

As for his prolife credentials:

http://familypolicy.net/us/?p=9975

He supports abortion in the case of rape, + incest.

As I said, soft on guns and soft on babies. He’s good for New Jersey, but not much else.

He does support traditional marraige, which makes him better than Mitt though.


114 posted on 05/01/2012 4:20:53 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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To: JCBreckenridge

“He supports abortion in the case of rape, + incest.”

By that definition 90% of the US is pro-abortion; he doesn’t advocate for abortion. When you look at the forces aligned against him, he’s doing something right. Maybe he is more of a TEA Party candidate than a social conservative (the TEA Party avoids social issues), but for NJ and other high tax, big government states he has answers. I’d rather see him in office than watch the GOP constantly just write off those types of states.


115 posted on 05/01/2012 4:26:10 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: ScottinVA; Clintonfatigued
I find it rather entertaining that PA, WI and MI are often referred to as “swing” states. Where exactly is the “swing” in being bolted to the democrat column in every Presidential contest since 1988?

What a difference 18 months can make.

Back in November, 2010 Pennsylvania had decidedly turned Republican. Not only did we win the Governor’s race and send Pat Toomey to the Senate, but we in fact helped win the House by electing 5 more Republicans than DemonRats. Then in addition, we took control of both the State House and Senate as well.

Back then, I said that come 2012, Pennsylvania would turn “GOP RED” for the first time since 1988.

Now, I’m not so sure.

116 posted on 05/01/2012 4:36:17 AM PDT by cuz_it_aint_their_money (Romney = a paler shade of Obama.)
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To: Dagnabitt

The real problem we face is if we allow Romney a win, from here on out, every Lib who wants to be President will change affiliation, and offer themselevs as a Republican Candidate. Clearly, Bloomberg will become the future standard of GOP candidate. The Establishment, which only wants to win, will embrace every one of them, just assuming the hard-line Conservatives will always vote for the R. The party will quickly become a Conservative Party in name only. Already, you could make a case that it is.

Truth is, if we all had voted for Obama last time around, and McCain got only 15 Electoral votes, the Elites would have gotten the message, and we likely wouldn’t have Romney. And nothing would have been different practically, beyond our stongly sent message.

I can understand how many people feel a vote for Obama is justified, and I almost agree with them. If it weren’t for the Supreme Court, I’d be fully on board myself.


117 posted on 05/01/2012 4:51:14 AM PDT by AnonymousConservative (Why did Liberals evolve within our species? www.anonymousconservative.com)
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To: kearnyirish2

“By that definition 90% of the US is pro-abortion”

22 percent believe that it should be illegal in all cases, according to Gallup. That’s about half the GOP. Christie’s on the wrong side of the GOP line here.

“When you look at the forces aligned against him”

Fiscally, he’s solid. Socially, he’s soft on abortion and soft on the second amendment. These are issues with him running a national campaign. We can do better than Christie.

“Maybe he is more of a TEA Party candidate than a social conservative (the TEA Party avoids social issues).”

Not if he supports gun control. 80 percent of tea party folks are in opposition to him. 60 percent of tea party folks also believe that abortion should be illegal.

He’s a GOP mainstream candidate. He’s also weak on immigration.


118 posted on 05/01/2012 4:51:30 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge
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To: EternalVigilance; Clintonfatigued; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; Impy; GOPsterinMA; randita; ...
Can those on an obviously higher ideological plane than myself tell me ... quite specifically ... what they believe we (I actually) should do if Romney is indeed the GOP nominee? I am open to suggestion, but prefer explained, step-by-step instruction. I agree that continually choosing "the lesser of two obvious evils" is no way for a citizen of a Constitutional Republic to live, or indeed for the Republic survive.

So, tell me, exactly, what do we (I) do instead?

119 posted on 05/01/2012 5:08:48 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (So, Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out if Obama is a Natural Born Citizen?)
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To: cuz_it_aint_their_money

A more conservative segment of the population carried the day in 2010.

Now we`ll have the whole gaggle that comprises the American electorate out there this time.. and the anti-Obama enthusiasm isn`t nearly as intense as it was in 2010.


120 posted on 05/01/2012 5:20:57 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... so should voting!)
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To: Ditto

That is why we must focus on congress. We all look for impeachment proceedings to emergy, but they won’t. Not unless we get a congress with some steel balls. And that also means changing the ‘core’ of the Republican elite, which we have failed to accomplish.

We’re cooked no matter what. If Romney wins, his job will only be to make socialism more palatable to the conservative base. Where 0bama is the hard push, Romeny is the velvet glove.


121 posted on 05/01/2012 5:24:44 AM PDT by EBH (The redistibution of another man's money, does not create wealth for the "greater good.")
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To: Kenny Bunk
I agree that continually choosing "the lesser of two obvious evils" is no way for a citizen of a Constitutional Republic to live, or indeed for the Republic survive.

Play this silly little game and answer your own question:

Lucifer or Baal for President

Which do you choose and what do you do?

122 posted on 05/01/2012 5:39:06 AM PDT by EBH (The redistribution of another man's money, does not create wealth for the "greater good.")
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To: EBH
Agree with the Congress push. Romney is Baal, OK. So if the other option is Lucifer .... right now I'll go with the Golden Calf.

The Convention has yet to occur ... and Romney is yet to be selected ... we need a Rocky Road Pinochet ... not artificially flavored Vanilla Tasty Freeze in a crappy cone.

Quandary time. I doubt even a Republican Congress could control a 2d term Obama ... the question remains, "Could they swing Romney to starboard."

123 posted on 05/01/2012 5:59:09 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (So, Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out if Obama is a Natural Born Citizen?)
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To: TigersEye

Now it appears that the late Richard M. Nixon erred again in 1960, when he declined to challenge voter fraud in IL, MO, and TX, even though Maurice Stans raised the funds for a challenge. Nixon, another presidential failure, wanted to avoid the “sore loser” tag so he could run and win in 1968.


124 posted on 05/01/2012 6:02:05 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Past is prologue: The American people again let us down in this election cycle.)
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To: AnonymousConservative

The elites haven’t entirely nominated Ropmney: it’s the uninformed primary voters who have done this.


125 posted on 05/01/2012 6:04:53 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Past is prologue: The American people again let us down in this election cycle.)
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To: kearnyirish2

Many “pro-life” people for years have been voting for abortion candidates for the state legislature, U.S. House, U.S. Senate, and governor, even as the GOP presidential nominees bore nominal “pro-life” tags. They still are voting for abortion candidates; many are too uninformed to know the difference.


126 posted on 05/01/2012 6:13:57 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Past is prologue: The American people again let us down in this election cycle.)
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To: unkus
"We’re in one hell of a predicament."

Sometimes I still have trouble believing where we are. Last summer, I didn't think Romney would be a threat at ALL. I figured, after the elections of 2010, a joker like him would be the last person we'd have to worry about.

Just WTH....

127 posted on 05/01/2012 6:17:05 AM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Time for a write-in campaign...Darryl Dixon for President)
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To: Kenny Bunk
So if the other option is Lucifer .... right now I'll go with the Golden Calf.

Interesting response.

128 posted on 05/01/2012 6:43:23 AM PDT by EBH (The redistribution of another man's money, does not create wealth for the "greater good.")
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To: Secret Agent Man
They didn’t have a marxist administration going after photo id laws the states have decided they want to ensure the voter voting is who they claim to be. Voter integrity.

Yes, but these laws have actually passed and will most likely still be on the books come November. Democrats are already crying about these laws hurting their "get out the vote (fraud)" efforts.

129 posted on 05/01/2012 6:50:34 AM PDT by Drew68 (I WILL vote to defeat Barack Hussein Obama!)
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To: Kenny Bunk
All I can tell you is what I will do.

Continue to bring as much focus as I can on the non-negotiable, indispensable first principles of the republic.

Try to convince those who call themselves conservatives that if they want the republic to survive they MUST NOT compromise those non-negotiable principles for anyone or for any politically expedient reasons.

Gather together all of those who have made such a commitment to core American principle into a cogent, coherent, permanent, potent political force for good.

Continue to fight on every front, with every resource we have, without wavering, until we win or God takes us home.

"Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not so costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no chance of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves."

-- Winston Churchill


130 posted on 05/01/2012 6:52:18 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (A vote for a liberal doesn't advance conservatism, no matter how much you lie to yourself about it.)
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To: JediJones
Obama’s hands are pretty well tied from doing what he wants to do with a bad economy and a Republican Congress.

Have you been paying attention lately? The breaucracy has been running wild with the 'Executive Orders', and the 'As The Secretary May Direct' decisions.

Another four years of this crap, and we're cooked.

131 posted on 05/01/2012 7:48:11 AM PDT by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: kearnyirish2
This “gridlock” is costing us dearly, and the executive orders will come flying out even faster when the Kenyan Pirate doesn’t have to win re-election.

Costing us dearly how? And you think Obama's been holding back? He's tried to do 100% of what he wants to do. The only thing stopping him from doing more is the gridlock. What would be the point of holding back in his first term when he doesn't know if he'll get a second term? His actions show he's trying to do everything he can while he has power. But it isn't possible with the post-2010 gridlock and the bad economy dogging him. Something like cap-and-trade could have been passed if the economy was good, but not now.

132 posted on 05/01/2012 7:54:20 AM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: Kenny Bunk

Each person has to make his own decision. I, for one, am holding my nose and supporting Romney, not because he’s “the lesser of two evils,” but as a way of *limiting evil* (i.e., defeating Obama and all the evil he would impose upon us). Father Frank Pavone analyzed the distinction here, in the context of the right to life: http://www.priestsforlife.org/vote/votingwithclearconscience.htm#choosing


133 posted on 05/01/2012 7:55:12 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: ChiMark

I was being sarcastic. Look at my posting history.

FUBO!!!


134 posted on 05/01/2012 8:19:19 AM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: dirtboy

I was being sarcastic. I will vote for Romney as I grit my teeth.


135 posted on 05/01/2012 8:21:08 AM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: dixiechick2000

Thanks, dixiechick


136 posted on 05/01/2012 8:23:26 AM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: unkus
I was being sarcastic. I will vote for Romney as I grit my teeth.

Yeah, but since you didn't use a sarcasm tag, that post will get referenced again and again as proof that FReepers are supporting Obama.

137 posted on 05/01/2012 8:52:00 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

Yeah, but since you didn’t use a sarcasm tag, that post will get referenced again and again as proof that FReepers are supporting Obama.


That’s tough. I see many here who seem to hate Romney more than they do 0bama.

I will not be dictated to as to who I vote for. I will vote for Romney with gritted teeth.


138 posted on 05/01/2012 8:56:25 AM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: unkus
That’s tough. I see many here who seem to hate Romney more than they do 0bama.

Ah, so you'll make a misleading post to make it seem like the Romney critics are actually Obama voters.

I will not be dictated to as to who I vote for. I will vote for Romney with gritted teeth.

Well, do so honestly.

139 posted on 05/01/2012 9:30:52 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: entropy12
I do not want Anita Dunn & Van Jones nominated to SCOTUS. Or, more Sotomayor's and Kagan's.

An extreme radical like Van Jones or Eric Holder would never get through the confirmation process - even the weak-kneed Republicans (and moderate Democrats) would fight that. However, in all likelihood, the weak-kneed Republicans won't fight a nominee of the President of their party and the Democrats will fall in line since they are getting someone with a similar ideology. With either Romney or Obama will probably get a Kagan or Sotomayor.

We need to pray that the four conservatives (and Kennedy) on the court stay healthy until the next bleak four-year period ends. The problem is that if Romney wins, he'll probably run for a second term (effectively freezing out a conservative alternative), so the bleak period will last for eight years (either eight years of Romney or four years of Romney followed by four years of the new Democrat President).

140 posted on 05/01/2012 9:49:54 AM PDT by CommerceComet (Obama vs. Romney - clear evidence that our nation has been judged by God and found wanting.)
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To: Theodore R.
The elites haven’t entirely nominated Ropmney: it’s the uninformed primary voters who have done this.

Oh, but they were informed. They were informed by Romney's character assassination campaign ads. They were informed by the MSM of the phony scandals against his opponents. They were informed by GOP-elite ass kissers like Rove, Coulter and Hannity that Romney was the one and the others were scandal-ridden.

They were informed.

141 posted on 05/01/2012 10:33:42 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: CommerceComet

I am hoping Romney will continue to be a “flexible” politician. In Massachusetts he was wearing the liberal jacket. I would not be surprised if he dons the “right centrist” jacket if elected president. He can sense where the wind is blowing. If he turns to be a core conviction liberal, we are in trouble. I am hoping he will continue his reputation as a flip-flopping flexible politician and turn rightwards.


142 posted on 05/01/2012 11:05:49 AM PDT by entropy12 (Winning is the only thing...coach Vince Lombardi. Losers in elections have zero power.)
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To: unkus
In that case, I don’t see the Republicans standing up to 0bama any more then than they are doing now. Do you?

Of course! They'd have to out of sheer political necessity. If you are going to be the opposition party, you must oppose or else have no reason for existing.
143 posted on 05/01/2012 11:11:55 AM PDT by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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To: Dragonspirit
You don’t win by losing, you win by winning.

No, I'm afraid you're wrong. In 2004, Republicans won big, but George W. Bush squandered his mandate and got entangled in things he should never have bothered with, including amnesty for illegal immigrants. That caused a defeat in 2006 and a huge loss in 2008 because Bush, like his father, was viewed as someone who had betrayed those who put him in office. That's one way you lose by winning.

In 2012, we are faced with the prospect of electing a Republican whose record indicates that he will begin betraying conservatives on day one after he's inaugurated. His record in Massachusetts is also one of causing party discord by promoting liberals and snubbing conservatives. Based on what we've seen from recent history, if Romney is president, we can therefore expect a catastrophic legislative defeat in 2014 and further losses in 2016 including the loss of the presidency--conservatives will not vote for a Judas once he is known as such. The Democrat coming into power in 2016 will have full control of everything with no hope of stopping him/her.

Now do you get it? This is not as simple as "you don't win by losing." Sometimes, in the long run, you do just that.
144 posted on 05/01/2012 11:20:10 AM PDT by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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To: Clintonfatigued; All
Nice breakdown CF. It could very well play out that way.

I still stand by my prediction that Obama will get blown out; he's a failure and he and his voters know it.

Romney wins easily with over 300 EV’s. The best Romney has going for him is that Obama is the worst POTUS in American history, period.

145 posted on 05/01/2012 11:30:52 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (The stench of Earth Pimp-age is permeating over the internet...)
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To: Dagnabitt
Someone on another thread said he’d never seen anyone post on FR that they planned to pull the lever for Barack Hussein Obama. I noted that I hadn’t seen many such posts, but I had seen at least two. Make that three now. Curious times at FR.

See his later posts on this thread. He wasn't being truthful.

146 posted on 05/01/2012 11:41:22 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: entropy12
I am hoping he will continue his reputation as a flip-flopping flexible politician and turn rightwards.

Perhaps. Personally, I think that Romney, if he wins the election, will go with his instincts for statist solutions and actually wants some conflict with conservatives so he can posture himself as the reasonable moderate who is unafraid to anger the extremist conservatives. Line up the RINOs and Democrats and he doesn't need conservatives.

The Romney family has been fighting conservatism since the days of Goldwater. I doubt it will change in the near future.

147 posted on 05/01/2012 12:03:30 PM PDT by CommerceComet (Obama vs. Romney - clear evidence that our nation has been judged by God and found wanting.)
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To: Antoninus

In the long run, if you see Obama win re-election, you will have more liberal entitlement programs, more disability/welfare, more of everything the liberal agenda entails. The paradigm will shift yet again, and socialism will become the center. In 1992, the whole “Dont Ask Dont Tell” policy was considered a compromise, now it is considered an out of mainstream far right position. We lost by losing, which is always what happens.

It is crazy to me that you muster more antipathy toward Romney for what you think he might do on Day 1, then what Obama HAS done on Day 1. You think you are going to get Sarah Palin or John Bolton in 2016 if Romney loses? Nope, you are going to get Michael Bloomberg if Romney loses. Both parties always move to the center following a loss.

There is no re-do, there is no punishment to those who nominate the candidate you didn’t prefer. They most certainly will not “learn their lesson” if you support Obama for spite. They will become apathetic and move more to the left. If you want instead to move the country to its roots on the right, you need to make winning a habit.


148 posted on 05/01/2012 12:19:17 PM PDT by Dragonspirit (Always remember President Token won only by defecting on his CFR pledge.)
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To: CommerceComet
The Romney family has been fighting conservatism since the days of Goldwater. I doubt it will change in the near future.

I agree.

149 posted on 05/01/2012 12:23:56 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (The epitome of stupidity is a member of a proven racist sect running against a black man.)
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To: Dragonspirit
In the long run, if you see Obama win re-election, you will have more liberal entitlement programs, more disability/welfare, more of everything the liberal agenda entails.

And that will change under Romney because....?

The paradigm will shift yet again, and socialism will become the center. In 1992, the whole “Dont Ask Dont Tell” policy was considered a compromise, now it is considered an out of mainstream far right position.

Might I remind you that Romney was in favor of homosexualizing the military. We lost that issue because Republican leaders like Romney and his ilk were on-board with the enemy. We lost because we allowed traitors like Romney into our midst who were never going to help us fight but only undermine us at critical moments. Your strategy seems to be to reward those who have a track record of stabbing conservatives in the back. Pure genius.

You think you are going to get Sarah Palin or John Bolton in 2016 if Romney loses? Nope, you are going to get Michael Bloomberg if Romney loses. Both parties always move to the center following a loss.

That is a flat-out wrong reading of things. When you allow liberal Republicans to win, you only guarantee that you will get more of them. That's how it works because the first thing they do once in office is begin purging conservatives. Perhaps you don't live here in the northeast like I do, so you may be genuinely ignorant.

But now that you've been educated you have no further excuse for making such a specious argument.
150 posted on 05/01/2012 1:35:08 PM PDT by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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