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The Ultimate Appeal to Persuade Fellow Blacks to Stop Voting Democrat
American Thinker ^ | 05/01/2012 | Lloyd Marcus

Posted on 05/01/2012 6:31:14 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Candidly, I have struggled with this for years -- how best to explain why I am a black conservative and why fellow black Americans should join me.

I served on a board with an extremely bright black mom. Both of her kids, a boy and a girl, are brilliant; her son received a full scholarship to Yale.

This black mom is well-read on "whiny" black liberal authors and philosophers. I am talking about the majority of black authors you see featured on mainstream TV. They sound extremely intellectual, explaining how white America is still systematically abusing blacks and why more heavily funded government programs are the answer. I feel like screaming at my TV, "Knock it off! Bottom line is you hate white people and are seeking more entitlement government freebies!" Such needy victim rhetoric has nothing to do with, nor does it achieve, real black empowerment. Frankly, these people turn my stomach.

As I said, the black mom is extremely well-read on victimhood-peddling black authors and has never heard of brilliant black conservatives Professor Walter Williams and Dr. Thomas Sowell.

Professor Walter E. Williams is an American economist and academic. He is the John M. Olin Distinguished Professor of Economics at George Mason University, as well as a syndicated columnist.

Dr. Thomas Sowell is an American economist, social theorist, political philosopher, and author of 30 books. Dr. Sowell is currently a Rose and Milton Friedman Senior Fellow on Public Policy at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University.

Both these guys are about "real" black empowerment, teaching personal responsibility, education, hard work, and morality -- not the standard blacks-are-eternal-victims and white-America-owes-us garbage spouted by black pundits on TV. Thus, you never see Prof. Williams or Dr. Sowell on mainstream TV.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012; blacks; democratplantation; democrats; election2012; elections; nobama2012

1 posted on 05/01/2012 6:31:19 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I respect Lloyd a great deal, but it will NEVER change unless and until the hearts of individual Blacks change. It is a sad fact that their culture is rife with a deep sickness. It is why people like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are Satan’s tool as they peddle racism and divisiveness as a means to enrisch themselves. It is evil.

What I find most disturbing is that many godly men who know better simply to not stand up and speak the truth. They seem to be quiet as church mice fearful of their Black brethren. It’s like no one dares speak against the unspoken Black code out of fear. Very sad.


2 posted on 05/01/2012 6:38:28 AM PDT by Obadiah
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To: SeekAndFind

There are two major themes that should be developed to point out Democratic hypocrisy. 1) For the past three generations liberals have forced minorities to use dysfunctional urban schools.They have been denied vouchers and choice.Of course urban liberals like Obama, Pelosi, the Kennedy family, and Rahm Emmanuel “choose”good private schools for their kids. The result has been keeping minorities poorly educated, ignorant and easily manipulated. 2) Liberals fund and position abortion clinics in minority neighborhoods. Minorities are actually killed to limit their numbers. Stooges like Jackson and Sharpton are bought off to front for this crime. Would love to see a PAC headed by Allen Keyes or Herman Cain publicising this message


3 posted on 05/01/2012 6:45:02 AM PDT by allendale
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To: SeekAndFind

There must be SOME way of getting messages like this out among Black groups....there MUST be.


4 posted on 05/01/2012 6:45:59 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: SeekAndFind
I'm normally a sucker for lost causes, but not this one. Not anymore. We've watched forty years of the Great Society and politically fomented racial tension and cultural blight. Our eyes are wide open now. We clearly see the hand reaching into our pocket as the other hand goes for our throat.

I'm done feeling guilty about being mugged. They want to vote Dem? Let 'em. They want to fail? Let 'em. They want to blame me? Fine. But don't expect me to care anymore.

Win without them and govern without them.

5 posted on 05/01/2012 6:46:29 AM PDT by jboot
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To: Obadiah
it will NEVER change unless and until the hearts of individual Blacks change

Not happening in our lifetime. The battle for hearts and minds is over and our side lost. Change in the minority mindset will require a cultural reboot. That will only happen after a generation or two has to live completely on their own without aid from Uncle Sam.

6 posted on 05/01/2012 6:57:58 AM PDT by jboot
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To: jboot
I'm done feeling guilty about being mugged. They want to vote Dem? Let 'em. They want to fail? Let 'em. They want to blame me? Fine. But don't expect me to care anymore.

Win without them and govern without them.

I'd like to disagree with you on this, but I can't.

Numerically speaking, the black vote hasn't played an important part in the election of a Republican president in a very, very long time.

And I see what passes for black culture in America and I can find nothing of value to emulate.

7 posted on 05/01/2012 6:59:32 AM PDT by whd23 (Every time a link is de-blogged an angel gets its wings.)
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To: SumProVita
There must be SOME way of getting messages like this out among Black groups....there MUST be.

"The black male high school dropout rate is at an epidemic high; only 25% graduated in New York."

For many of them you'll have to get someone to read it to them.

8 posted on 05/01/2012 7:03:33 AM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: jboot

I’m with you. We’re going this-a-way, onward and upward. They can come with or stay behind.


9 posted on 05/01/2012 7:05:09 AM PDT by chiller (Elect another batch of TPartiers and it won't matter which R we elect. WE will lead.)
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To: SeekAndFind
"Knock it off! Bottom line is you hate white people and are seeking more entitlement government freebies!"

OK, now we can have an honest discussion.

10 posted on 05/01/2012 7:06:31 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: SumProVita

With Justa Jackasson getting mainstream media coverage when he gives lie-laden speeches to black dolts, and the fawning media whoredom praising him as some kind of leader for the ‘black community’, the likelihood of getting the message to be accepted is slim to none. Little barry bastard commie, Eric, Al, and Jesse have a vital need for these black yutes to become violent, filled with the lies spewed from Al and Jesse (Justa Jackasson). Community organizers are trainging these yutes via flash mobbing to come when called, as the cannon fodder the elite black thugs need for their odingaing of America.


11 posted on 05/01/2012 7:08:59 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Justice Brothers time is near the end. Jesse because of age. ... Sharpton because of his exposure on MSNBC. One might think that Rev. Al’s MSNBC gig might help the cause, but I suspect it will have opposite effect over time. It’ll take less time, with all to see, to expose his brand of fraud.


12 posted on 05/01/2012 7:09:23 AM PDT by chiller (Elect another batch of TPartiers and it won't matter which R we elect. WE will lead.)
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To: chiller

Resist we much!


13 posted on 05/01/2012 7:15:30 AM PDT by Obadiah
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To: Obadiah

Ah, but then just to confuse us there are the Thomas Sowell, the Allen West, Walter Williams, Clarence Thomas, and ‘Doctor Huxtable’ men, men in full, real men. ... And, look what media wants to establish as the male champion: Family Guy, the Simpson D’oh! and a host of feckless white idiot male figures cartooned as ‘balance’ for the feminazi, leftist ‘change the family’ fools. The power behind this evil has to be demonic ...


14 posted on 05/01/2012 7:18:55 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: SeekAndFind

and if having a black president is so all fired important, why didn’t they vote for Alan Keyes?


16 posted on 05/01/2012 7:20:19 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: chiller
We’re going this-a-way, onward and upward.

Exactly. Conservatives should campaign and govern on our principles and let the chips fall where they may. Our strength is not that we say the right things, but that we are right. The instant we modulate our message to appeal to this group or that group we lose our advantage and become just another pack of panderers.

17 posted on 05/01/2012 7:24:06 AM PDT by jboot
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To: SumProVita

“There must be SOME way of getting messages like this out among Black groups....there MUST be.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

No, there is not. Sorry.

The events of our upcoming summer and fall will likely vaporize any last little shreds of this silly illusion for anyone still wrapping themselves in such wishful nonsense.


18 posted on 05/01/2012 7:26:16 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: SeekAndFind
If the government wants to encourage more white basketball players they should support more basketball leagues, not order extra free throws to all minority white players in the NBA.

It's human nature to give up and quit if someone always loses. Success comes from playing in the right league. If we want to maximize success, we need to segregate, not by skin color but by skill level. We already have this for our children. High school basketball teams don't go up against college teams because they would always lose and would all soon quit in frustration. The black community was on the right track when they banded together to support local black businesses.

19 posted on 05/01/2012 7:27:11 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: Obadiah
Liberal mainstream media today strives to keep black conservatives "invisible."

The 'sickness' in the black culture is supported and incentivized by white liberal elites. Without the 90%+ vote from blacks, white liberal elites would not be able to keep power. They need blacks dependent, angry, and willing to vote...

20 posted on 05/01/2012 7:28:37 AM PDT by GOPJ (Had a Christian minister yelled at a bunch of gay students - the New York Times would have covered i)
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To: GOPJ

It’s becoming pretty clear, also, that without their standard voter fraud, they won’t be able to keep power, either.

There are estimates of anywhere from 3% to Jesse Jackson’s number of 11% of “voters” that will drop off if voter ID is enforced.

Look at the past elections, and subtract 5% from their vote total in every one of them and see where that leaves them.


21 posted on 05/01/2012 7:32:28 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: dagogo redux

There is ALWAYS a way. ;-)

But Jesus beheld them, and said to them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible. (Matthew 19:26)


22 posted on 05/01/2012 7:35:21 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: jboot

Very well said! And should be repeated often!


23 posted on 05/01/2012 7:38:25 AM PDT by libs_kma (When I see anyone with an Obama 2012 bumper sticker, I recognize them as a threat to the gene pool)
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To: SeekAndFind

It took a war to get blacks off the old Democrat plantations, and it took Socialism to get them onto the new Democrat plantations. They were well on their way to overcoming the legacy of slavery, but this generation won’t see blacks overcoming the legacy of welfarism and militancy. The left has bought and paid for them, body and mind.


24 posted on 05/01/2012 7:40:10 AM PDT by pallis
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To: SeekAndFind
“This is how the left (liberal media and Democrats) love to demean, discredit, and humiliate self-reliant, non-victim-minded blacks.”

I like THIS....AS IF Liberal politicians are all squeaky clean, sterling citizens who are the most clean-living and exemplary individuals....REALLY?????

25 posted on 05/01/2012 7:50:27 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: jboot

You are right. Our conservative politicians have become “just another pack of panderers”. They are”Compassionate Conservatives”, whatever the hell that means.


26 posted on 05/01/2012 7:51:35 AM PDT by certrtwngnut (It's not the people who vote that count, it's the people who count the votes. (Josef Stalin))
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To: SumProVita

LOL! Well, then, you just keep right on praying.


27 posted on 05/01/2012 8:14:40 AM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: SumProVita

>>There must be SOME way of getting messages like this out among Black groups....there MUST be.<<

Yes, there is a way. Just as Reagan went over the heads of Congress and spoke directly to the people to get his significant tax cuts enacted, someday a Republican President of the United States (not a candidate—the MSM will crucify a Republican candidate who tries this) will need to take the lead.

Lloyd Marcus’s best point is that the MSM refuses to publicize the achievements of conservative black Americans. Only the President can overcome that roadblock, and even he or she will struggle, but that’s what has to be done.

What should be the message delivered though? I’m not sure, but speaking directly to the mothers in the black population could be a good start. I suspect that, in the center cities, there isn’t a single mother who doesn’t justifiably fear for the lives of her children; not how their lives will turn out, but for their very lives.

“Are you sick of going to bed every night, or to work on a night shift, not knowing whether your child/children will be alive when you wake up or return from work in the morning?” That could be the attention grabber, the question that gets their attention.

After that, it’s education, and salesmanship. They’ve all answered “Yes!” to the first question. Next they need to hear information that has them nodding their heads throughout. “Are you married?,” “Would your life be better if your family was intact?,” “Are you on welfare?,” “Does welfare discourage you from working, or from achieving an intact family?,” etc.

Then explain how federal policies have worked against them for years. Leave the Democrats out of it. Just explain that welfare policies have destroyed the black family, etc. At this point, bring in the Thomas Sowell’s and Lloyd Marcus’s of the the world, so they can see that black people holding such thoughts actually exist. Don’t label them Republican; just let them share the platform of ideas. The MSM will have little choice but to cover black leaders standing with the President directly addressing the black mothers of America.

Next, propose policy changes and link their purpose directly to the betterment of the black family in America. Through all of this, the MSM will fight back, but they will have no choice but to cover it. A Republican President has to go over the heads of the MSM and directly to the black family, and particularly to the mothers of those families. If the mothers are convinced, they will begin to teach the children.

And it wouldn’t be a bad idea for that President to advocate for legalization of marijuana at the same time, since the drug wars are responsible for so many of those mothers’ children’s deaths. A Republican President advocating legalization would also be impossible for the MSM to ignore, but the message should be linked directly to saving the lives of the children of those black mothers.

On balance it’s likely that the black fathers are a lost cause; far too many of them are just indoctrinated children who’ve graduated to lives of dealing dope, robbery, gang life and jail. The key lies in reaching the mothers of black children and only a President will be able to pull it off. Unfortunately, President Obama could have easily been that President, but instead he chose to divide, consigning black mothers to more of the same despair they’re dealt with for decades already.


28 posted on 05/01/2012 8:28:53 AM PDT by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I look at it this way. If a Republican or a conservative candidate is attracting black voters in large numbers then he must not be espousing conservative values. You cannot have your cake and eat it. Blacks are the core of the democrat party and they are the constituency of that party that moves it to leftist extremes. True conservatives among them are welcome but they are few and far between.The best a Republican candidate can hope for is that they do not show up at the polls in large numbers.


29 posted on 05/01/2012 8:42:35 AM PDT by chuckee
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To: SumProVita
There must be SOME way of getting messages like this out among Black groups....there MUST be.

I'm sure there is, but someone brighter than I am, will have to figure it out.

I consider myself lucky not to have been permanently infected by the spiritual pathology that is epidemic in that culture. I was only spared by the good fortune of being born an Army brat, so grew up in an entirely different sub-culture than that of my relatives.

Still, the pull and attraction of familial and close cultural ties was strong enough, that I was nearly sucked in. At least a couple of my siblings were.

Like Lloyd, I've pondered on a solution to healing the illness that afflicts the black community, but have found that there's no easy answer. As someone upthread commented, it will probably take a complete reset of the whole American culture to snap the majority of blacks out of their poisonous state of mind.

In the meantime, there are lots of black conservative groups that are doing their very best to show others the way.

30 posted on 05/01/2012 9:14:35 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: camle
and if having a black president is so all fired important, why didn’t they vote for Alan Keyes?

Keyes wouldn't promise them free stuff.

31 posted on 05/01/2012 9:19:48 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: SeekAndFind
As I see it a good part of the problems is the connections of the black leadership.

For Example.
B Obama is married to Michelle Robinson Obama.(Her relatives just like JJs came from the same Friendship Plantation area of South Carolina.

There is a connection (possible blood relationship) between MO with Jesse Robinson Jackson. (Michelle spent enough time as a youth in the JJ home to be called Sis by the siblings)

JJ’s biological father (a professional boxer in his youth) and half-brother is Noah Robinson. Noah, the half bro, is doing life in prison because of his connection to the Chicago Street gang El Rukn.

If my map is correct the El Rukn gang (drugs, prostitution, murder for hire) controlled the territory that BO served in as community organizer.
J
Then there is Uncle Louis F. who gave Rezko his first job keeping the boxer Mo Ali in line (Wonder if he knew JJ’s father Noah the professional boxer)

So the politicians that float to the top are top thugs all intertwined in the neighborhood. Don't think republicans/conservatives want that criteria to be our goal.
Those who live under the control of gangs, thugs and politicians are not freemen. They do what they do in order to survive just as the slaves on the plantations.

Education and movement out of the cities/hoods is the answer. Break the ties. As long as the democrats keep them uneducated and in line with fear they win.

32 posted on 05/01/2012 9:29:11 AM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: SeekAndFind
This is all well and good, and I applaud it. But I continue to marvel at the utter avoidance of moral issues when it comes to Black politics. The Black liberals make economic arguments and Black conservatives respond with economic counterarguments.

I can only assume that, when it comes to politics, moral issues don't exist for most Blacks. And that's the real tragedy.

33 posted on 05/01/2012 9:35:24 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: chuckee

There have been some excellent points made regarding black needs and the situation of black families as a result of liberal policies. But conservatives could easily forego the entire black population and still control our government. IF we had the unified support of the WHITE community.

So by all means appeal to black voters; they are certainly victims of liberalism’s failures. But so are whites. Address the damage those policies have done to the white middle class! Show ignorant white voters that liberalism just means enabling irresponsible blacks to vote themselves a share of YOUR paycheck! Do you want your children to go without so that Democrats can keep another generation of blacks chained to dependency? That “solution” benefits neither blacks nor whites.

In dialectical terms, synthesize the commonalities of both black and white communities into a whole greater than the sum of the parts. And discard the outliers who want to keep the ineffective, divisive status quo.


34 posted on 05/01/2012 10:01:58 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: Obadiah

Unfortunately, the first thing he has to do is to get them to listen and blacks have been so conditioned to believe that Republicans are racists that they won’t even consider that the information they have been getting is wrong.


35 posted on 05/01/2012 11:15:44 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: Norseman

Kudos! You are a common sense thinker and you focus on solutions. Excellent!

What I see as your strongest point is the focus on direct communication with mothers (and I would add grandmothers). Generally, they really DO want what is best for these children.

;-)

Thank you for a positive, results-oriented post.


36 posted on 05/02/2012 5:14:27 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Windflier

Check out what Norseman (post #28) has to say. He has some very good input.

;-)


37 posted on 05/02/2012 5:18:31 PM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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