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Document links Warren to Cherokees (11th hour paperwork?)
Masslive.com ^ | May 1, 2012 | AP

Posted on 05/01/2012 7:35:50 AM PDT by libertarian27

Edited on 05/01/2012 7:38:26 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: az_gila

If I were serious about genealogy I wouldn’t count on anything online or at LDS. Just in the USA mid-Atlantic states alone, some lines are hard to establish as the Union forces had no problem burning down courthouses that contained vital records. But we’re supposed to believe that we can trace back 500 years to some royalty? I prefer to say I come from a long line of Irish peasants.


51 posted on 05/01/2012 11:16:39 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: libertarian27

Wanna make a fast buck, Ward Churchill wants that guys number.


52 posted on 05/01/2012 11:32:28 AM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period, and by election day you won't like him either.)
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To: EDINVA
I do rely on the Scottish stuff from the LDS.

They sent missions to Scotland (in the 60’s, I believe) and they microfilmed all of the church records. It is copies of these records I am looking at, not some computer generated lists.

If you have a church location, Kirkoswald in my case, the birth and marriage records let you go back to the time when the Catholic records got destroyed. People were much less mobile then, so searching adjacent parishes usually will pick up a lost trail.

There is nothing better than looking at copies of the original hand written records.

53 posted on 05/01/2012 11:34:23 AM PDT by az_gila
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To: muawiyah

I knew personally Willard Stone a renowned Indian Artist of the Cherokee version. His son Jason took up dad’s mantle when Willard died.

He can not sell art as Indian Art, because Willard never had a roll number. I think this was something that the Clintons came up with to protect Indians.


54 posted on 05/01/2012 11:37:45 AM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period, and by election day you won't like him either.)
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To: Jewbacca
I’m Native American, too, according to Romney. Tribe of Levi.

Me too!! I'm feeling better and better each day about my native American Jewish tribal affiliations. I am qualified to run a casino and own a casino.

55 posted on 05/01/2012 11:39:05 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: blueunicorn6

You might want to put that load down and rest ~ this is going to take a while.


56 posted on 05/01/2012 12:16:23 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Vigilanteman
The very oldest extant European genealogies run back to the third century among the Welsh. The oldest date I've heard of was 245AD and there was a name associated with it.

There are some Scandinavian royal lists (not really genealogies) that run back to King Frosty ~ but there are, alas, several King Frostys.

Spanish Jewish genealogies, kept safely in Russia I understand, a full copy actually at University of Moscow, run back into the early Middle Ages. There's a university affiliated facility in Cincinnati that has a full copy of that material ~

The big problem is in America. This was an incredibly huge and empty place back in the day, and almost everyone was illiterate. Records weren't kept.

57 posted on 05/01/2012 12:26:43 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Granny Warren's ancestors were probably out in NW Mexico on their way to Cahokia and never got to Lon Giland in time for the sale.

One band of Chickasaw (related to the Cherokee) has a legend about letting the horse go and following him until he stopped.

That means they started moving after the Spanish had arrived with the horses to be followed.

So that journey probably started about 1550 ~

58 posted on 05/01/2012 12:29:53 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Lawn Guyland is the land to the east of my tiny native island.


59 posted on 05/01/2012 1:44:51 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Queeg Olbermann: Ahh, but the strawberries that's... that's where I had them.)
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To: muawiyah
The big problem is in America. This was an incredibly huge and empty place back in the day, and almost everyone was illiterate. Records weren't kept.

Very true if you are talking about the post-1670 wave who were sent here as undesirable elements. Some of them, of course, were fortunate and ambitious enough to acquire skills, including skills at keeping records.

Many of this subset came as indentured servants and learned quickly to keep daily logs of work to prove when their term of servitude was up.

The early Puritans, however, were a highly educated lot relative to their day and quite meticulous in keeping records. So were the early residents of the Jamestown Colony, albeit to a somewhat lesser extent. Even during the "starving time" which nearly wiped out the colony by 1610, there are meticulous records as to how dwindling supplies were divided.

I don't think what you see in America is all that different from Europe. Depending on the region as well as the station of the people, record keeping ranges from the highly meticulous (England, Germany) to the nearly non-existent (southeastern Europe), with all shades in between.

Even with English ancestry, most records will tend to disappear around the 16th century unless ones ancestors were fortunate enough to have served in the clergy or civil service or link into royalty, even as bastard children. Many of these will likewise disappear about the time of the bubonic plague when mere survival took precedent over record keeping.

60 posted on 05/01/2012 1:50:52 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman
Maybe if your ancestors were on the frontier long enough.

But we know a lot about the ancestry of the US presidents, and so far as I know, genealogists haven't really been able to connect any of them with Indian ancestors, though claims were made for Coolidge and Clinton and the Bushes.

Charles Curtis, Hoover's vice president actually was an Indian, though, and Rick Perry is supposed to be part Choctaw.

We don't know just how Cherokee Warren's ancestor is supposed to be. That great-great-great-grandmother may have been a member of the tribe but have been only partly of native American ancestry herself.

Somebody may be able to double check that ancestor (Sarah Smith) at a US census records or genealogical website.

61 posted on 05/01/2012 2:08:48 PM PDT by x
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To: libertarian27

They are calling Warren “Taxajawea” on WRKO radio.


62 posted on 05/01/2012 2:20:23 PM PDT by x
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To: x
There is a lot of interesting ancestral data on U.S. Presidents floating around including this.

Supposedly, all of them except Martin Van Buren (Dutch) can trace their ancestry back to King John I of England. Not that is necessarily something to be proud of. John I was a lout of the first order who sired scores of illegitimate children.

Native American connections are a lot tougher to document because most of them took on English names when they married. The more famous like Pocahontas whose descendants include the Byrd and Bolling political families are the exception, not the rule.

Charles Curtis, of course, was a gentleman of the first order and proud of his Native American heritage. His public service, of course, dates to a time where Native Americans were finally granted the vote and full citizenship, a full generation or more after slavery was abolished.

The Bush family, of course, dates back to the earliest days of the Massachusetts Bay Colony. I believe their Native American heritage is fairly well documented back to the earliest days of the colony by multiple New England genealogists including this guy.

63 posted on 05/01/2012 2:37:44 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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