Skip to comments.Clouds’ Effect on Climate Change Is Last Bastion for Dissenters
Posted on 05/01/2012 10:27:05 AM PDT by reaganaut1
LAMONT, Okla. For decades, a small group of scientific dissenters has been trying to shoot holes in the prevailing science of climate change, offering one reason after another why the outlook simply must be wrong.
Over time, nearly every one of their arguments has been knocked down by accumulating evidence, and polls say 97 percent of working climate scientists now see global warming as a serious risk.
Yet in recent years, the climate change skeptics have seized on one last argument that cannot be so readily dismissed. Their theory is that clouds will save us.
They acknowledge that the human release of greenhouse gases will cause the planet to warm. But they assert that clouds which can either warm or cool the earth, depending on the type and location will shift in such a way as to counter much of the expected temperature rise and preserve the equable climate on which civilization depends.
Their theory exploits the greatest remaining mystery in climate science, the difficulty that researchers have had in predicting how clouds will change. The scientific majority believes that clouds will most likely have a neutral effect or will even amplify the warming, perhaps strongly, but the lack of unambiguous proof has left room for dissent.
Clouds really are the biggest uncertainty, said Andrew E. Dessler, a climate researcher at Texas A&M. If you listen to the credible climate skeptics, theyve really pushed all their chips onto clouds.
Richard S. Lindzen, a professor of meteorology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, is the leading proponent of the view that clouds will save the day. His stature in the field he has been making seminal contributions to climate science since the 1960s has amplified his influence.
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You’re right, comrade!
Must I go to re-education camp now?
The second half of the rain cycle is already heavily managed. Very little fresh water makes it back to the sea without man deciding when, where, and in what quantity. Without that management Earth couldn't support 7 billion humans. Starting to manage the first half of the cycle isn't that much of a leap. The great thing about cloud management is most effects are local. If one country wants to live in the stone age they can. If another country wants to populate their deserts they can.
Thanks, running behind here.
"A cartoonist adds to the Alarmist attack":
The New York Times has an article today ostensibly about clouds but which is really an extended hit piece on Richard Lindzen, a professor at MIT, member of the US National Academy of Sciences and well known climate skeptic.
Below I have excerpted a laundry list of phrases in the article used to describe Lindzen:
With Anthony Watt's coming up with own :
There is a lovely cartoon over at Roger Pielke Jrs which, delightful though it is, helps perpetuate the myth that Global Warming is somehow an issue for climate skeptics. It isnt. The issue is Catastrophic Anthropogenic, and specifically that singularly caused by CO2, Global Warming and the alarmist hype surrounding the lack of science and the punitive energy policies that have been pursued in response to a non problem.
So I decided to do my own version of the cartoon with apologies to the other cartoonist.
Well I thought I would get the first referenced cartoon on here...but it didn’t “take”...go to the link to Roger Pielke Jr.’s Blog Jr’s website for it..
Actually, I thought the fraudulent data and methods used to generate the claims of AGW was the “last bastion” of dissenters.
Not that we need one.
OK, does he cite that "evidence?" Whether he does or not let's stipulate, for sake of argument, that the cooling effect from clouds that would be needed to offset the increase of greenhouse gases isn't enough. What empirical evidence does he have to explain this disparity between empirical temperature data and Climate Model theory?
The AGW supporters are becoming desperate.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2879047/posts The coming Ice Age is still under way. The Big Ice is coming, but on a time scale that dwarfs humanity