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Happiness is a warm gun: ‘Totalitarianism with a human face’(Why are so many Americans buying guns?)
The Hill ^ | May 1, 2012 | Bernie Quigley

Posted on 05/01/2012 6:06:09 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

I was invited via an email from Cabela’s to trick out my AR. It took a minute to figure that they were talking about an automatic rifle. The picture looked like the M-16 I carried 40 years ago in military service, but more upscale. I don't own an AR. I don't even have a gun. It is usually nice shirts and camping equipment I get from them. So it was a little surprising.

I like Cabela’s. When we lived in Michigan I'd take my kids to see their beautiful four-story displays of bears, coyotes, foxes in hinterland settings. It seemed a representative part of glorious northern Michigan known as the UP. I tend to like guns as well. But the AR is not a hunting gun. It is a war weapon and a lot of people are buying them. In fact, guns today are said to be the only bright spot on the economy and Cabela’s stock is booming.

But why are so many Americans buying guns? It has been like this for several years now. Since Obama was elected president. The question should be asked in the same way Thomas Mann once asked, "Why are they disinfecting the streets of Venice?” Is something dark and unknown rising within us? Is it already here?

We enter seasons ahead unlike any we had seen in the passing century. New trends, ideas and people — the Tea Party, Ron Paul, Sarah Palin, for beginners — tend to bring shock, even apoplexy to the institutionalized and sanctioned establishment. But the institutionalized norms are rapidly passing. Even the movie “The Hunger Games” brings the predictable scorn and ironic responses on the neurasthenic left and by establishment trend-setters like Vanity Fair and The New York Times. The rising times will not be like the receding times and these new trends mark the rising times. And so does this phenomenon of rapidly rising gun sales.

In the early part of the last century, the Swiss psychiatrist C.G. Jung developed "psychological types" — which Myers-Briggs and other personality tests today are based on — because the German national character was rapidly changing and he wanted to know why and what it meant. The great poets and visionaries, Maude Gunn, Yeats and Mann, sensed it as well and dreamed of blood flowing in rivers. Our institutionalized entertainment, educational and information networks today lacks these canaries in the coal mine. Liberals outnumber conservatives 88 to three in college humanities classrooms and the pillars of public information, the three networks and the two major newspapers are overwhelmingly liberal, yet the population actually breaks about even, liberal and conservative. This is, to say the least, unresponsive; a dream of Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World come true which might even be called, to paraphrase Susan Sontag, “totalitarianism with a human face” — a face so accurately caricatured today in Suzanne Collins’s Hunger Games. So system shock will be greater, with greater difficulty to adapt when new realities arise.

Mann wrote Death in Venice a hundred years ago this year. And our American world this year appears today to be sending signs of subtle and unconscious change — a veiled elephant is entering the room — some of them transfiguring, some of them foreboding. Our world changes. The question is, to what?


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1 posted on 05/01/2012 6:06:19 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The author has never been in the military and has never seen an AR-15.


2 posted on 05/01/2012 6:09:14 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
(Why are so many Americans buying guns?)
3 posted on 05/01/2012 6:10:11 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ve never been to Cabela’s but I used to go to Jay’s Sporting goods when I lived up north.


4 posted on 05/01/2012 6:10:11 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
But the AR is not a hunting gun.

Tell it to the pig parts in my freezer. And my little sister's first deer, some 25 years ago.

/johnny

5 posted on 05/01/2012 6:11:23 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Signalman
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6 posted on 05/01/2012 6:11:52 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Although I don't have access to gun sales statistics, many people I know did purchase firearms just after the 0’s election. I wonder if it would be possible to match gun sales statistics with whomever is in the White House (D or R).
7 posted on 05/01/2012 6:13:31 PM PDT by Traveler59 ( Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
We enter seasons ahead unlike any we had seen in the passing century.

By that does he mean the century of Adolf Hitler, Musselini, Stalin, Pol Pot, Ho-Chi-Min, Edi Amin, and other dictators? Or the millions killed by their governments? That century?

/johnny

8 posted on 05/01/2012 6:15:41 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

We bought a lot of guns when Clinton was president too. And we formed militias. There’s something about a Marxist in the White House that makes us think about opposing tyranny. Its just a part of the American DNA, I guess.

Wolverines!!


9 posted on 05/01/2012 6:15:48 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I was invited via an email from Cabela’s to trick out my AR. It took a minute to figure that they were talking about an automatic rifle.

Well, for one, the author sure as hell doesn't own an AR-15. It's also patently obvious from his second sentence that he has absolutely no idea what the hell he's talking about and the rest of the article should be discarded.
10 posted on 05/01/2012 6:17:08 PM PDT by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn't caught on in the United States.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The question is a no brainer. Bring it


11 posted on 05/01/2012 6:25:42 PM PDT by Figment
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To: flintsilver7
You mean your AR only fires one round per trigger pull? /s ;)

Yep. I caught that. He's another clueless eater.

/johnny

12 posted on 05/01/2012 6:28:30 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: cripplecreek

Dude.

Seriously.

At least check out a Cabela’s. They’re more than just a big-box retail store.

I’m not being a fanboi when I tell you that they’re quite the operation and while you can often find many items cheaper, you can’t find them in many other places all under one roof in such abundance. Don’t drive across country just for going to Cabela’s, but if you’re only a half hour away when you’re on a road trip... I’d make a couple hours to go check it out if you’re at all interested in fishing and hunting.

If you have any interest in fine(r) firearms, check out the larger Cabela’s “gun rooms” which are patterned after a Holland&Holland pattern room of sorts. The one in Kearny, Nebraska is quite impressive, all things considered.


13 posted on 05/01/2012 6:28:38 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

14 posted on 05/01/2012 6:29:43 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
But the AR is not a hunting gun. It is a war weapon...

Actually, it's more of a "sports utility rifle" - one that can fill many different roles.

15 posted on 05/01/2012 6:30:47 PM PDT by Zeppo ("Happy Pony is on - and I'm NOT missing Happy Pony")
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To: smokingfrog
I am SO sending my brother that.

/johnny

16 posted on 05/01/2012 6:34:01 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Traveler59
2011 Smashes Sales Record for Guns

Dec 27, 2011

This was a banner year for guns -- 2011 is set to smash the record for gun sales.

The record for a single year was set just last year, when the FBI reported that 14,409,616 background checks were requested. In 2011 that figure will top 16 million. FBI spokesman Steve Fischer said just 1.3% of background checks result in denial of a weapon.

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/guns/2011-smashes-sales-record-guns

17 posted on 05/01/2012 6:39:32 PM PDT by Ken H (Austerity is the irresistible force. Entitlements are the immovable object.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Lefties are buying huge numbers of firearms, too. It’s all the rage. TV/movie fantasies, maybe...zombies and all of that? Who knows? One weird part of it all, is that most of the buyers of semi-auto rifles are in the cities. Go figure. You’d think they’d want more shotguns, pistols and the like.

IMO, it has to do with entertainment, style, fantasies of fictitious adventures and all of that. Most of the newbies interested in semi-auto rifles are burning bores up (see silly Youtube videos) without any seriousness toward getting educated in ballistics. Mostly posers.


18 posted on 05/01/2012 6:41:39 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Why guns?” you ask.

Because “It is about the redistribution of wealth.”


19 posted on 05/01/2012 6:43:04 PM PDT by Rapscallion (For English press "3", or "4". Whatever.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Why guns?” you ask.

Because “It is about the redistribution of wealth.”


20 posted on 05/01/2012 6:43:22 PM PDT by Rapscallion (For English press "3", or "4". Whatever.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I had all the hunting guns that I needed by the time I was 16 years old ( .22, 12ga, .25-06).

Every weapon I’ve bought since has been for personal protection, militia obligations, or community organizing.


21 posted on 05/01/2012 6:45:55 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I bought a lot of gear from Cabela’s when I was in the Army. They sold good stuff.


22 posted on 05/01/2012 6:47:29 PM PDT by Sarajevo ( Alcohol does not solve any problems, but then again, neither does milk.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

the comments are cool. i couldn’t get past the 1st paragraph of the article.


23 posted on 05/01/2012 7:07:01 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: JRandomFreeper

The .223 works just fine on feral pigs from all reports. Would love to go hunting them, but youtube vids will have to do for now.

When the writer said our populace outside academaniaca is evenly divided between liberal & conservative, that proved in an instant he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

It’s coming to Civil War II but I predict it will be far shorter and far bloodier than the original. And the good guys will win.


24 posted on 05/01/2012 7:09:51 PM PDT by elcid1970 (Nuke the Aswan High Dam, then nuke Mecca. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"...Comments?"

Yeah. Who cut off Bernie's nuts?

25 posted on 05/01/2012 7:11:46 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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To: rlmorel

“...Comments?”

Yeah. Who cut off Bernie’s nuts?


That would imply he ever had a pair.


26 posted on 05/01/2012 7:20:40 PM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I don’t know who this guy is, never heard of him. But after reading the last three paragraphs, I know exactly who he is:

A pompous bag of hot air who likes listening to himself speak.

I am not anti-intellectual. But when the description “Intellectual” is applied as pejorative, it could be applied to this guy.


27 posted on 05/01/2012 7:24:54 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well, when the occupant in the White House likes gun control, and the presumptuous, er, presumptive nominee is somebody that signed an assault weapons ban himself, then its time to buy lots of guns and ammo.


28 posted on 05/01/2012 7:27:25 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
anybody that has to ask that question, will NEVER understand the answer...
29 posted on 05/01/2012 7:31:01 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why is it that no one is talking about the proposed United Nations firearms treaty? If enacted, and ratified by our DemonRAT controlled Senate, it would:

1. Enact tougher licensing requirements, creating additional bureaucratic red tape for legal firearms ownership.

2. Confiscate and destroy all “unauthorized” civilian firearms (exempting those owned by our government of course).

3. Ban the trade, sale and private ownership of all semi-automatic weapons (any that have magazines even though they still operate in the same one trigger pull – one single “bang” manner as revolvers, a simple fact the ant-gun media never seem to grasp).

4. Create an international gun registry, clearly setting the stage for full-scale gun confiscation.

5. Override our national sovereignty, and in the process, providing license for the federal government to assert preemptive powers over state regulatory powers guaranteed by the Tenth Amendment in addition to our Second Amendment rights.

To oppose this effort, U.S. Senator Jerry Moran (R-Kans.) has introduced legislation to prevent any arms treaty from infringing the right to keep and bear arms in this country. The Second Amendment Sovereignty Act, S. 2205, introduced March 19, 2012, would prohibit the administration from using “the voice, vote, and influence of the United States, in connection with negotiations for a United Nations Arms Trade Treaty, to restrict in any way the rights of United States citizens under the second amendment to the Constitution of the United States, or to otherwise regulate domestic manufacture, assembly, possession, use, transfer, or purchase of firearms, ammunition, or related items, including small arms, light weapons, or related materials.”

I encourage my fellow FRiends to voice their support of Senator Moran’s bill to their state senators.


30 posted on 05/01/2012 7:33:44 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"But the AR is not a hunting gun. It is a war weapon and a lot of people are buying them."

So were semiautomatic versions of M-14s, M-1s and Springfields. There were also the rifles of our former enemies. Every generation of enthusiasts has 'em. They just happen to hold a fascination for more city folks now.

Soldier's rifles are not the most practical self-defense weapons in most cases, but they might do well enough in some of the rare rural incidents. Shotguns would be better in most cases, IMO, with plenty of training and practice. All kinds of loads for those.

My first M-16 at Ft. Leonard Wood had an AR-15 part, IIRC (maybe a marking on the lower receiver?). And yeah, it was full auto. It fired more dependably than the second one that I was issued there (probably an M-16 with some newer guts). ...then an M-203 and others at home units afterward.

Fickle wounding machines, IMO. Raindrops beat 5.56 mm rounds like bald-headed stepchildren. But they're okay for keeping foreign enemies very busy up to 300 meters (for the few who could hit 300 very often). Whole lotta commies carrying their buddies going on. Those rounds don't like leaves much, either, or any heavy cover.

All of that complaining said, the M-16 is a great weapon, if you keep it real clean. Don't even get me started on the M-60 (carried one many miles one year while playing Army).

Maybe I should get a semiautomatic, "sporter" version of one of our enemies' weapons from the time that I was in the Guard (incl. end of Cold War). It would be a tinkering/ballistics challenge like...learning to play the fiddle poorly. Or maybe I could be a poser, grow some dreadlocks, put on some shades, and walk around naked with that commie weapon just for styles' sake. ;-) [Joke. I don't even do drugs. Hate 'em. They're for slaves. But silliness, yeah.]

Or on second thought, maybe when the civilian fake commando craze is over. They'll be pretty darned cheap then. Maybe even re-barreling them will be cheap, after so many fools have overheated the bores by firing as fast as goons through whole mags. Heh.

BTW, full auto rifles are hardly ever useful selected on full auto. Some rare instances at extremely close range in jungle or urban, maybe (but not peacetime urban). Firing full auto bursts with enough accuracy is somewhat like firing a shotgun but a little more time-consuming to get good at.

If government-employed people want to throw S at the F after being unable to deal with being laid off, I'll just watch from up here, in the peaceful middle of nowhere. Maybe they'll lose some weight and get real, that is, those very few who would even learn to make good use of cover.

Firearms are okay. I like to watch the Youtube monkeys burn those barrels up and argue over brand names. ;-) And yeah, I might even go out, from time to time, to ring a silhouette or three with firearms technology from around a 100 years ago. [It's really only the math and physical problems that I enjoy once in a great while. The actual range thing is too boring after having fired many 10s of thousands of rounds and done so many other things for so many hours on ranges.]

The economy will probably get much worse, but that won't bring violence to every home, in my opinion. It will mean that many more people will get very poor, and maybe more of 'em will get religion. Poverty eventually has a way of making people want to be good. See the Great Depression. Oh, yeah, there'll be more from the robbers losing their government incomes, pensions, or what have you. But they'll eventually start being good, too, one way or the other. ;-)


31 posted on 05/01/2012 7:34:01 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Chode

yep


32 posted on 05/01/2012 7:36:09 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The four precious metals for this regime: gold, silver, brass and lead.


33 posted on 05/01/2012 7:37:20 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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34 posted on 05/01/2012 7:39:09 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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To: jonrick46
"Why is it that no one is talking about the proposed United Nations firearms treaty?...I encourage my fellow FRiends to voice their support of Senator Moran’s bill to their state senators."

Best advice today. Everyone should read, consider and act on your comment #30.


35 posted on 05/01/2012 7:49:13 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: familyop
"My first M-16 at Ft. Leonard Wood..."

Charlie, Charlie, Charlie, One Three With Pride, Drill Sergeant!

36 posted on 05/01/2012 7:52:15 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: NVDave
The one in Kearny, Nebraska is quite impressive, all things considered.

Been there, shopped that in 2002 or 2004. They had a huge business coming in off the Interstate to run by their displays and counters. License plates from all over. Me, I was from Texas.

They noticed, because now there's a Cabela's in north Houston, and another I drive by over in Baton Rouge, on my way to my sister's place in New Orleans. Yup, they know how to fish for business!

37 posted on 05/01/2012 8:02:40 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: familyop
Soldier's rifles are not the most practical self-defense weapons in most cases, but they might do well enough in some of the rare rural incidents.

Then why does the US military use M4's for close quarters combat?

38 posted on 05/01/2012 8:10:13 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: jonrick46
Override our national sovereignty, and in the process, providing license for the federal government to assert preemptive powers over state regulatory powers guaranteed by the Tenth Amendment in addition to our Second Amendment rights.

The hell it would.

You can't abrogate whole sections of the Constitution by treaty. Every L1 student knows that.

And in case Obozo thinks he can make it stick, he has got a super-ugly education coming to him.

"Experience keeps a dear school, but a fool will learn in no other." -- Franklin

That includes Harvard-educated, or should I say "passed-through", hothouse babies like Obozo.

39 posted on 05/01/2012 8:10:41 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: lentulusgracchus

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts


40 posted on 05/01/2012 8:13:20 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: elcid1970
The .223 works just fine on feral pigs from all reports.

Until you get to the 600-pounder. Or he gets to you. More gun, son.

It’s coming to Civil War II but I predict it will be far shorter and far bloodier than the original.

The participants thought the last one would be short, too.

What determines the length of the contest is how long it takes to get to the point that one side can't do it any more, period. True in WWI, true in the Civil War, true in WW II.

And the good guys will win.

Why do you think that? They didn't last time.

41 posted on 05/01/2012 8:33:49 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
It took a minute to figure that they were talking about an automatic rifle.

What a panty-wetting hoplophobe. And a perfect example of how the Left has convinced the public that "evil black gun" = machine gun. Nancy-pants doesn't even realize that the AR-15 platform is the most popular rifle in America, by far, and it is not select-fire.

42 posted on 05/01/2012 8:34:19 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: SVTCobra03
Then why does the US military use M4's for close quarters combat?

Tell us. Compromise between a 10-gauge shotgun and a battle rifle?

43 posted on 05/01/2012 8:38:29 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: familyop

Bought my first Colt Preban A2 in late 80’s, $440. We have several 556’s that never leave the vault. Bought a 6.8 Stag a few years back and the kids have killed a bunch of caribou and 3 bear with that gun. I got a AR-10 in 338 fed a year back and it has killed 3 moose, half dozen caribou and a couple bear; 210 Nosler Partitions. We luv hunting with AR’s with 4x32 & 3.5x35 Acog red dot/ghost rings off snowmachines & atvs; I’m a shooter, not an aimer. Two point slings are the ticket. I luv my Weatherbys for the long shots, but anything under 500 yards, you can’t beat an AR. Once you start hunting with them, no going back.


44 posted on 05/01/2012 8:52:19 PM PDT by Eska
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To: backwoods-engineer
And a perfect example of how the Left has convinced the public that "evil black gun" = machine gun.

Lots of "fine shotgun" enthusiasts mutter against "black gun" fiends ...... Pew Associates detected a very pronounced weakness in support for RKBA for other people among the UMC and UC business-Republican types, who are the shotgunners and sporting-clays, dove-hunting guys among the business community. (Pew isolated and ID'd these guys back in the 1990's -- I'm citing them.)

Not so much when Dubya was in office, but when Bush 41 was in office, I kept waiting for the big RKBA sellout/backstab from the RiNO's. It was hinted at a couple of times, when Bush 41 let the ATF pull their fetid Ruby Ridge caper with that lone-wolf fringe-rightist Randy Weaver, and when Wayne LaPierre of the NRA made that "jackbooted thug" comment about some miscreant ATF raids on an honest gun collector in Arizona, and Bush ex officio, defending his thugs, resigned in protest from the NRA.

Pew likewise hinted that they thought that if the resistance to universal registration and "strong" gun control broke down, it would be because of some big break between the RiNO Establishment and the rest of the Right.

Remember, too, that Waco was authorized and planned under Bush 41. He may have intended Waco as the beginning of a "sensible gun control" campaign during his second term, when he would be -- as Obama told the Russians -- "more flexible".

Bush 41 was and still is, to some degree, NWO Central. Ross Perot may have done us all a huge favor by knocking that international-swelling patroon out of the White House .... only to give us a Manchurian candidate in his stead.

45 posted on 05/01/2012 8:53:52 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

American’s are buying more guns because most of us are ready to fight the good fight and overthrow both corrupt parties.

I was a democrat for 32 years until they forced Clinton on us. I had had enough and joined the Republican party because I didn’t like how the libs were after my guns.

Now, the Repubs are giving us Obama white. I’m sick of their choices for who I should vote for. They gave us Dole, McCain and now Romney. Screw them. I’m sick of having no choice but a lesser of equal evils. If you think there is a difference between Romney and Obama then you have sold your soul to the devil and you’re an idiot.


46 posted on 05/01/2012 9:30:33 PM PDT by Jack Burton007 (This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.)
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To: SVTCobra03
"Then why does the US military use M4's for close quarters combat?"

To rid soldiers of their pesky neighbors on the others side of a thin wall while shooting a burglar, of course. ;-) [Little irony there.]

But more sincerely,...

To kill/wound many enemy. The M4 is relatively good for exterminating buildings, if those buildings aren't made of wood and full of innocent civilians. It's a rifle that's cost-effective for production. It has little recoil, so it's great for use by smaller soldiers with little training time. IMO, it was probably great in Fallujah. Not so much, probably in high visibility areas of the mountains (winds, long ranges, etc.). Could also be detrimental in very small concrete rooms or on ships (lighter, slower hollow points maybe preferred).

For close quarters self-defense in a densely populated area, I'd prefer firing something fatter/slower for self-defense, but that's just me. ;-) With realistic considerations, an M-4 could do the job. One might have a look at some disintegrating varmint rounds for use in a home surrounded by nearby neighbors and maybe even try them on wood, gypsum, etc.

In a rural environment, just about anything with good pointing characteristics, enough accuracy for likely ranges of attack and at least enough penetration can work well, if neighbors are distant enough and positions of family members always known (to avoid accidentally hitting family through walls or whatever). "Pointing characteristics," because attacks are most likely to come close and after dark. Many "professionals" have made the error of neglecting close, fast, dark night range training. Most who aim in that environment will hit too low and slow.

Choice of weapon in a rural environment with no close neighbors, beyond being capable of enough penetration, depends on the defender and how much he or she wants to train in advance.

Round placement is an important consideration in a self-defense situation. There are many weapon choices, if the defender has been adequately trained to be calm enough (realism and many repetitions of exercises), accurate enough and to use cover well.

Structural building, positioning, fencing, lighting, cameras, planning for emergencies and other considerations are even more important in a rural setting over weapons training, IMO, but then I was a combat engineer (combat type). Good defenses don't have to go boom or be dangerous to family, friends or neighbors. Weapons training is a good idea, though, especially, for example, for healthy, strong minded parents whose teenagers have yearned to get acquainted with firearms after watching westerns or zombie movies.

A place built by a very considerate owner-builder can be both safe and quite off-putting to potential burglars and murderous home invaders--even in the hypothetical end-of-the-world situations often described during this odd time in US social politics.

No more excitement and adventure for me. I'm getting to the age where peace and quiet are appealing. ;-) I've spent up to about 20 hours in some fire rotations in the past and on other kinds of ranges--boring, noisy and smelly and ache-inducing. Reminds me of home sickness and lack of sleep. Also did police ranges and firearms sports before either. I even enjoy watching the plague-ridden prairie dogs take over now and haven't killed a one of 'em. Even my dog just watches them, as they form lines to steal his dog food. Maybe a younger person will be interested enough to wage war against those rodents for me.

Hmmm...close, dark and fast--maybe a spear with the extra feature of firing a bullet? How about a Mosin with fixed bayonet? And maybe a heavy duty shredder/chipper and small rendering plant? ;-)


47 posted on 05/01/2012 10:04:52 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: jonrick46

Logically speaking the Constitution CANNOT give authority greater than itself; as the right to Life (and Liberty) are given by a greater authority (and recognized in the Declaration of Independence) the absolute *MOST* that a treaty can do is remove the [legal] guarantee of firearms; if this happens, how long do you think it will be before someone is killed over it?

Or, even more interestingly, how many states would issue warrants for the arrests of any of the signatories (or yea votes)?
How many states would declare that to be treason? (and perhaps hold trials for the people in absentia?)

If you want a civil war, that route’s almost guaranteed to bring it; and the funny thing is, when there’s civil war the opposing leadership can be killed. I think our ruling-class is too afraid to risk it, once there’s a breach in the pressure-chamber the whole structural integrity is compromised... no, what they want is everyone in a state of inaction. that is why they want us to feel like noting we do matters.


48 posted on 05/01/2012 10:30:53 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Eska
"We have several 556’s that never leave the vault."

That's understandable, with your area and all.

"AR-10 in 338 fed"

Now that's nice! I didn't know there was such an AR! Going to have a look around, but we won't spend on anything like that, until prices settle down. No time for elk hunting, yet, but winds are common, and visibility is high. This is bolt action country. 300 Win Mag works well, when turbulence isn't too bad off of the nearby peaks.

About all I've done here (basin on the Rockies) so far is play with .45 Colt ballistics, modifications and handloads. But there's no bear problem here. Only a couple of shy ones that keep to themselves. Not the same as the treed, lower elevation place that I used to live (place was overrun with 'em).

Trying light synthetic motor oil for bores in winter here, so bullets won't drop to the ground so soon. ;-) Hoping that will be easier to work with and better for hardware than graphite.


49 posted on 05/01/2012 10:42:47 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: jonrick46

I like Moran’s bill, but it’s not necessary. All of this UN treaty talk sounds like fund-raising rhetoric to me.
The chances of such a treaty ever being ratified are slim to none, and slim left town.
Politicians want to get re-elected, and voting for gun control is political suicide.


50 posted on 05/01/2012 10:45:42 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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