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Ask Me about Your Volt
National Review Online ^ | May 14, 2012 | Daniel Foster

Posted on 05/01/2012 7:11:55 PM PDT by Hojczyk

It’s a boxy, snub-nosed little bastard, with roughly the rear visibility of a Mercury space capsule. But Chevrolet’s Volt is plenty slick, in its way.

The one I’ve just strapped to my back in New York City is Silver Ice Metallic with four leather-appointed bucket seats and a pair of seven-inch LCD displays on a dash arrayed with twoscore buttons and dials by which one can access the onboard DVD player, the satellite radio, the built-in nav, and the “Driver Information Center.” This last gives you a real-time graphic representation of the distribution of operating power among the Volt’s 288 lithium-ion battery cells, its electrohydraulic regenerative brakes, and the geologic pesto of processed Paleozoic carrion that folks in the flyover states call “gasoline.”

Those regenerative brakes, which are augmented with good old-fashioned “Oh, %&#!” anti-lock discs, are spongy and take some getting used to. The blind spots are more like blind blotches. And the driver’s seat accommodates a 6̋ʹ2″ buffet enthusiast like this reporter only at the expense of the circulation in the rear passenger’s lower extremities. But the Volt is tight and responsive through turns. Its 149-horsepower (that is, 111-kW) Voltec electric motor considerably overachieves, since it requires no transmission and therefore delivers its 273 foot-pounds of torque all at once. After barely a few miles at cruising speed I figure I could get used to this. It sure beats my usual ride — a dun-colored ’94 Cherokee with a failing transfer case — if for no other reason than that its right rear bumper isn’t held on by duct tape. Oh, and it is quiet. Ghost quiet. U-boat-full-of-mutes-in-cotton-booties-coasting-through-an-ocean-of-mineral-oil quiet.

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To: Kellis91789

The Volt is a POS....50 grand sticker loaded, and 4 billion in research to produce a car that sets itself on fire.


21 posted on 05/01/2012 8:26:16 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: montanajoe; The Antiyuppie

The 50s era hotrodders turned into computer nerds in the 80s and 90s. Building your own computer is almost a thing of the past now though. I don’t know what they will do when its no longer worth your time to build your own computer.

Go back to gardening maybe...or hydroponics...or home brewing and distilling?


22 posted on 05/01/2012 8:26:55 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

“Too bad about the price. If they could’ve made them for half the price they would’ve been the greatest things on the planet since the model T Ford.”

Yep. If they had committed to building 100,000/yr they could have sold them all at $25K and made a profit.

I understand that they couldn’t do that, however, with an entirely new design. If there had a been a serious flaw found — not the bogus overblown battery fire issue, but something real — they would have had to eat a huge loss.

People don’t realize that with a gasoline vehicle, there is never any such thing as a “new design”, as it is built on reusing 100 years of refinement. With the Volt it was not “refinement” but entirely new system integration issues that were bound to have teething pains.


23 posted on 05/01/2012 8:33:30 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.)
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To: mamelukesabre
I still build my own personal computers and I overclock them with water cooled heat sinks, extra fast memory ect..thats why I think there will always be Americans ready to soup up the battery-mobiles..its in our blood
24 posted on 05/01/2012 8:34:19 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: mamelukesabre; montanajoe; The Antiyuppie

Actually, it just occurred to me. They will be building, tweaking, modding, hotrodding...wait for it...robots.


25 posted on 05/01/2012 8:34:40 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: montanajoe

Yes it is. But there are other more fruitful endeavors in need of our hotrodding urges. In my opinion.


26 posted on 05/01/2012 8:36:32 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

Brilliant design...
2 energy storage systems - batteries + gas tank
2 prime movers - electric motors + internal combustion engine
1 regenerative braking system - motor/generator + hydraulics

What do you think it costs you up front for all that extra crap? And Obama still hasn’t repealed F=MA — what do you think it costs you to accelerate all that extra mass? Sure, you get some of it back on braking, but not all of it. And let’s not get started on maintenance costs — what do you suppose it will cost to replace all those LiIon cells? Lastly, what about safe disposal of the highly toxic batteries?

No Rube Goldbergs for me. The whole thing in just nuts.


27 posted on 05/01/2012 8:37:46 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: mamelukesabre
“But there are other more fruitful endeavors in need of our hotrodding urges”

True but all work and no play and all that...

28 posted on 05/01/2012 8:39:17 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: mamelukesabre

White lighting now has two meanings. Sounds like the result of trying to soup up the Volt.

If you want my opinion on the future: Compressed natural gas. Right now it’s dirt cheap and pumped in America.


29 posted on 05/01/2012 8:42:38 PM PDT by Idaho_Cowboy (Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. II Corinthians 3:17)
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To: Hojczyk

So the writer loves the power, smoothness, quiet, leather interior, electronics, and handling of the vehicle. Things that in any other car review would be paramount concerns.

Then he spends twice as much space lamenting that he can’t find recharge points while on a long trip — while never mentioning that exactly what makes the Volt better than the Leaf is that you can utilize gasoline on long trips. Then he laments that he can’t find working charge stations in DC, and complains about the cost when he finally does find one, when the whole point of the Volt is to charge at home and never need public charging stations.

So he leaves no doubt in our minds that he is and idiot. Why would his editor not have bounced this bumbling fool’s article and fired him for his temerity in submitting it ? The standards at NRO have really gone downhill.


30 posted on 05/01/2012 8:44:44 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.)
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To: Kellis91789

GM is not capable of building anything brand new, earth shattering, ground breaking, revolutionary...for anything even in the ball park of a sane pricepoint...even with daddy-obama-warbucks backing them. GM is a factory. They are extremely good at assembling things that other people design...maybe the best in the world bar none. They have a serious labor cost problem. They have a serious “inertia” problem in terms of adaptability and flexibility. They are overburdened with internal bureaucracy. These are terrible hurdles to overcome.

That is the root of the problem.


31 posted on 05/01/2012 8:44:50 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Idaho_Cowboy
Natural gas is great, its clean, cheap and abundant, the tree huggers hate it though because it is produced by big American oil..
32 posted on 05/01/2012 8:48:51 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

one word:

Locomotive

WHAT THE * DO YOU THINK A DIESEL ELECTRIC LOCOMOTIVE IS YOU NITWIT??

UNION effing PACIFIC has been doing it for three quarters of a century.

now take your nonsense and stick it. I’m not putting up with your asinine bla bla bla.


33 posted on 05/01/2012 8:49:19 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

Everyone with knowledge in this area has known for years that the future is hydrogen. But we can’t jump right into hydrogen now, there are too many difficulties. Step by step. piece by piece. Gasoline now. Then maybe butane, or something similar. Then propane. Then methane(aka natural gas), then finally hydrogen.


34 posted on 05/01/2012 8:57:31 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

Wow, aren’t you the vicious one? You want to drive a locomotive on the streets, be my guest.

Suggest you take your hostility over to DU. You’ll be very welcome there.


35 posted on 05/01/2012 9:15:30 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

whatever. grow a brain, then post something worthy of a civil response.


36 posted on 05/01/2012 9:23:02 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: stephenjohnbanker
For about $50k you can buy a real car.

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Capable of getting somewhere in a hurry.


37 posted on 05/01/2012 9:43:41 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: mamelukesabre

Go ahead, refute my points. I look forward to your reasoned and intellectual engineering response. Bonus points for some basic physics or engineering analysis.


38 posted on 05/01/2012 9:52:54 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Fine. start by redoing your silly analysis. Then I will respond to it.


39 posted on 05/01/2012 10:08:58 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Kellis91789

No he was making a point that long range transportation on electric is a fool’s errand. You can do all the long trip stuff on a gasolene engine cheaper than this hybrid. There are cars that get over 50 MPG that make much more sense.

And you can also not find any charging points if needed cause they barely exist. This car has limited usage and high costs and that simply isn’t going to change anytime soon.

The funny thing is I am the perfect candidate for this car. I live only 10 miles from my job so a round trip on electric would be easy for me with charge to spare if I needed to make a small side trip. However, at $50,000+, its a no-go for me.

Sorry, but all the excuses the electric carheads make for this highly subsidized car is simply so much wind. Government pushing these follys aren’t going to change anything. Like someone else mentioned, Asia would probably be the best market for these vehicles if they can ever get the costs down.


40 posted on 05/01/2012 10:23:40 PM PDT by packrat35 (When will we admit we are now almost a police state?)
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