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Ask Me about Your Volt
National Review Online ^ | May 14, 2012 | Daniel Foster

Posted on 05/01/2012 7:11:55 PM PDT by Hojczyk

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1 posted on 05/01/2012 7:11:58 PM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk

pos..


2 posted on 05/01/2012 7:20:06 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Hojczyk

Fun read, thanks.


3 posted on 05/01/2012 7:22:21 PM PDT by Sudetenland (Anybody but Obama!!!!)
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To: Hojczyk
Just another liberal weenie masturbating on NRO. Hope his mother doesn't catch him in the act, he'll be traumatized.
4 posted on 05/01/2012 7:24:20 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Hojczyk

Hilarious article about a sad subject!


5 posted on 05/01/2012 7:27:02 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Hojczyk

Love it or hate it. I really don’t care. Just don’t make me subsidize it. If I’m forced to pay part of your car payment I expect you to get your butt over here and make me a sandwich.


6 posted on 05/01/2012 7:27:51 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse
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To: stephenjohnbanker
Great features: Bad visibility so you can get run over in you beer can sized car. Quiet so you can sneak up on pedestrians and run them over
There are times you have to ask WWJWDP?
What would John Wayne do, Pilgrim? Pretty sure his alternative energy vehicle ran on switch grass.
7 posted on 05/01/2012 7:28:36 PM PDT by Idaho_Cowboy (Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. II Corinthians 3:17)
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To: Hojczyk
After barely a few miles at cruising speed I figure I could get used to this. It sure beats my usual ride — a dun-colored ’94 Cherokee with a failing transfer case — if for no other reason than that its right rear bumper isn’t held on by duct tape. Oh, and it is quiet.

Some real car guy writing this. He is driving a $#!t box.

The day I take political advice from Car and Driver is the day I will ask NR on which hatchback to buy.

8 posted on 05/01/2012 7:28:45 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Impala64ssa; bajabaja; carriage_hill; AFreeBird; rightly_dividing; Charles Martel; Clay Moore; ...
Motorhead, Collector Car Junkie, Speed Freak, Automotive Related Ping List.

Freepmail "Lazlo in PA" to be added or removed.

9 posted on 05/01/2012 7:31:09 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Hojczyk

What’s funny, is when he goes to plug it in, and there is no electricity because the coal fired powerplants are shut down. HAHA !


10 posted on 05/01/2012 7:31:21 PM PDT by wyokostur
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To: Hojczyk
It is quiet, deadly quiet, an adjective left out by the author. There was an idiot driving one in the Walmart parking lot not too long ago, driving too fast, swerving around a car stopped for pedestrians in the crosswalk. If I was 10 seconds quicker exiting the store, I'd be DRT. Not a single audible clue that death was stalking the parking lot in the form of a 20-something liberal idiot in his look-at-me overpriced skateboard

Ya know, those laws on the books when automobiles first came out, the ones that required a man to walk in front with a lantern or maybe a bell?. Perhaps they were just ahead of their time.

11 posted on 05/01/2012 7:34:36 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (SpaceX Dragon launch to ISS, Cape Canaveral AFS, May 7, 9:38 AM EDT)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Go to the link and read the article. You’ll change your mind about the reporter.


12 posted on 05/01/2012 7:34:55 PM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: Hojczyk
Psst! You Forgot This!!

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13 posted on 05/01/2012 7:35:21 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: Hojczyk
The volt is not it, but I'd actually like to see a market for the electrics develop. The torque and instant power the electrics can put out will make them fast, fast, fast...of course the DOT will do everything to prevent that but I can see a time like the late fifties and early sixties where kids and a few old farts are souping up their battery-mobiles
14 posted on 05/01/2012 7:37:09 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

I drove one for a day. Odd feeling...no noise..no distance either. The car actually handles well. but 45,000 + t & l

50,000.....no friggin way : )


15 posted on 05/01/2012 7:43:53 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Hojczyk

I saw a VOLT for the very first time last week. I followed it on the interstate for a few miles. Not a bad looking car actually. I can’t believe they cost over 40k. What a ripoff.

I never knew they had a gasoline motor in them. I thought they were purely battery powered. I think that’s a cool idea adding a gasoline motor for power, but eliminating the transmission...its kinda like the drivetrain of a train...diesel-electrics ya know.

Too bad about the price. If they could’ve made them for half the price they would’ve been the greatest things on the planet since the model T Ford.


16 posted on 05/01/2012 8:02:17 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: montanajoe

” but I can see a time like the late fifties and early sixties where kids and a few old farts are souping up their battery-mobiles”

This is going to take an entirely different set of skills; a lot of this is REALLY dangerous, with high-voltage, high-powered electronics.

I don’t think the Volt is it either, but the batteries will get better, a lot of people are working on this. If it cost $10,000 HONEST dollars (no subsidies) less, I’d take a look at it. If the battery actually delivered the originally-planned miles, I think that it would have sold much better.

Some people have already hacked the Prius to make it a plug-in hybrid, with, of course, automatic “Void Your Warranty”.

I myself think the following idea is attractive: an electric car with a towable or modular “bolt-on” for the back with a tubrodiesel generator. So, during the week, you don’t need it, but if you want to take a long trip, you’ve got it. Of course, the EPA and DOT will make a commercial version virtually impossible to build or sell - at least, for now. But then, it’s not a “motor vehicle”, is it?


17 posted on 05/01/2012 8:05:15 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: The Antiyuppie
The skill set to soup them up is not the same but I have no doubt there are lots of folks who can adapt.

Actually I think the real market for electrics in the next few years is Asia. Asian cities are generally old with pedestrian or horse drawn transportation arteries. Electrics with limited rang fit in well there. I only hope, with out much real hope, that the USA can lead in developing the technology..

18 posted on 05/01/2012 8:14:12 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: Red Badger

Ping.


19 posted on 05/01/2012 8:20:44 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

The writer, you mean, right ?


20 posted on 05/01/2012 8:23:07 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.)
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To: Kellis91789

The Volt is a POS....50 grand sticker loaded, and 4 billion in research to produce a car that sets itself on fire.


21 posted on 05/01/2012 8:26:16 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: montanajoe; The Antiyuppie

The 50s era hotrodders turned into computer nerds in the 80s and 90s. Building your own computer is almost a thing of the past now though. I don’t know what they will do when its no longer worth your time to build your own computer.

Go back to gardening maybe...or hydroponics...or home brewing and distilling?


22 posted on 05/01/2012 8:26:55 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

“Too bad about the price. If they could’ve made them for half the price they would’ve been the greatest things on the planet since the model T Ford.”

Yep. If they had committed to building 100,000/yr they could have sold them all at $25K and made a profit.

I understand that they couldn’t do that, however, with an entirely new design. If there had a been a serious flaw found — not the bogus overblown battery fire issue, but something real — they would have had to eat a huge loss.

People don’t realize that with a gasoline vehicle, there is never any such thing as a “new design”, as it is built on reusing 100 years of refinement. With the Volt it was not “refinement” but entirely new system integration issues that were bound to have teething pains.


23 posted on 05/01/2012 8:33:30 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.)
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To: mamelukesabre
I still build my own personal computers and I overclock them with water cooled heat sinks, extra fast memory ect..thats why I think there will always be Americans ready to soup up the battery-mobiles..its in our blood
24 posted on 05/01/2012 8:34:19 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: mamelukesabre; montanajoe; The Antiyuppie

Actually, it just occurred to me. They will be building, tweaking, modding, hotrodding...wait for it...robots.


25 posted on 05/01/2012 8:34:40 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: montanajoe

Yes it is. But there are other more fruitful endeavors in need of our hotrodding urges. In my opinion.


26 posted on 05/01/2012 8:36:32 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

Brilliant design...
2 energy storage systems - batteries + gas tank
2 prime movers - electric motors + internal combustion engine
1 regenerative braking system - motor/generator + hydraulics

What do you think it costs you up front for all that extra crap? And Obama still hasn’t repealed F=MA — what do you think it costs you to accelerate all that extra mass? Sure, you get some of it back on braking, but not all of it. And let’s not get started on maintenance costs — what do you suppose it will cost to replace all those LiIon cells? Lastly, what about safe disposal of the highly toxic batteries?

No Rube Goldbergs for me. The whole thing in just nuts.


27 posted on 05/01/2012 8:37:46 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: mamelukesabre
“But there are other more fruitful endeavors in need of our hotrodding urges”

True but all work and no play and all that...

28 posted on 05/01/2012 8:39:17 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: mamelukesabre

White lighting now has two meanings. Sounds like the result of trying to soup up the Volt.

If you want my opinion on the future: Compressed natural gas. Right now it’s dirt cheap and pumped in America.


29 posted on 05/01/2012 8:42:38 PM PDT by Idaho_Cowboy (Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. II Corinthians 3:17)
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To: Hojczyk

So the writer loves the power, smoothness, quiet, leather interior, electronics, and handling of the vehicle. Things that in any other car review would be paramount concerns.

Then he spends twice as much space lamenting that he can’t find recharge points while on a long trip — while never mentioning that exactly what makes the Volt better than the Leaf is that you can utilize gasoline on long trips. Then he laments that he can’t find working charge stations in DC, and complains about the cost when he finally does find one, when the whole point of the Volt is to charge at home and never need public charging stations.

So he leaves no doubt in our minds that he is and idiot. Why would his editor not have bounced this bumbling fool’s article and fired him for his temerity in submitting it ? The standards at NRO have really gone downhill.


30 posted on 05/01/2012 8:44:44 PM PDT by Kellis91789 (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.)
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To: Kellis91789

GM is not capable of building anything brand new, earth shattering, ground breaking, revolutionary...for anything even in the ball park of a sane pricepoint...even with daddy-obama-warbucks backing them. GM is a factory. They are extremely good at assembling things that other people design...maybe the best in the world bar none. They have a serious labor cost problem. They have a serious “inertia” problem in terms of adaptability and flexibility. They are overburdened with internal bureaucracy. These are terrible hurdles to overcome.

That is the root of the problem.


31 posted on 05/01/2012 8:44:50 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Idaho_Cowboy
Natural gas is great, its clean, cheap and abundant, the tree huggers hate it though because it is produced by big American oil..
32 posted on 05/01/2012 8:48:51 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

one word:

Locomotive

WHAT THE * DO YOU THINK A DIESEL ELECTRIC LOCOMOTIVE IS YOU NITWIT??

UNION effing PACIFIC has been doing it for three quarters of a century.

now take your nonsense and stick it. I’m not putting up with your asinine bla bla bla.


33 posted on 05/01/2012 8:49:19 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Idaho_Cowboy

Everyone with knowledge in this area has known for years that the future is hydrogen. But we can’t jump right into hydrogen now, there are too many difficulties. Step by step. piece by piece. Gasoline now. Then maybe butane, or something similar. Then propane. Then methane(aka natural gas), then finally hydrogen.


34 posted on 05/01/2012 8:57:31 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

Wow, aren’t you the vicious one? You want to drive a locomotive on the streets, be my guest.

Suggest you take your hostility over to DU. You’ll be very welcome there.


35 posted on 05/01/2012 9:15:30 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

whatever. grow a brain, then post something worthy of a civil response.


36 posted on 05/01/2012 9:23:02 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: stephenjohnbanker
For about $50k you can buy a real car.

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Capable of getting somewhere in a hurry.


37 posted on 05/01/2012 9:43:41 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: mamelukesabre

Go ahead, refute my points. I look forward to your reasoned and intellectual engineering response. Bonus points for some basic physics or engineering analysis.


38 posted on 05/01/2012 9:52:54 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Fine. start by redoing your silly analysis. Then I will respond to it.


39 posted on 05/01/2012 10:08:58 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Kellis91789

No he was making a point that long range transportation on electric is a fool’s errand. You can do all the long trip stuff on a gasolene engine cheaper than this hybrid. There are cars that get over 50 MPG that make much more sense.

And you can also not find any charging points if needed cause they barely exist. This car has limited usage and high costs and that simply isn’t going to change anytime soon.

The funny thing is I am the perfect candidate for this car. I live only 10 miles from my job so a round trip on electric would be easy for me with charge to spare if I needed to make a small side trip. However, at $50,000+, its a no-go for me.

Sorry, but all the excuses the electric carheads make for this highly subsidized car is simply so much wind. Government pushing these follys aren’t going to change anything. Like someone else mentioned, Asia would probably be the best market for these vehicles if they can ever get the costs down.


40 posted on 05/01/2012 10:23:40 PM PDT by packrat35 (When will we admit we are now almost a police state?)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

The battery disposal is something everyone seems to gloss over, much like the new spiral mercury light bulbs. Talk about environmental nightmare.

Also, if these vehicles really take off, how is the electric grid going to handle it. Burn more coal? Electric fairies?


41 posted on 05/01/2012 10:27:31 PM PDT by packrat35 (When will we admit we are now almost a police state?)
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To: Cobra64

And 28 MPG Highway.


42 posted on 05/01/2012 10:37:16 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (A day without Obama is like a day without a Tsunami.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

jest a redneck


43 posted on 05/01/2012 10:41:18 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Away with them and the high horses they rode in on.)
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To: Kellis91789
Then he spends twice as much space lamenting that he can’t find recharge points while on a long trip

It's a valid thing to research and report; when you pay $40K for an EV you want it to work as an EV and not as a lawnmower. Scarcity of public charging stations is a problem of growth, but it's a problem nevertheless.

while never mentioning that exactly what makes the Volt better than the Leaf is that you can utilize gasoline on long trips.

He did mention that. Most of his trip was on gasoline, and he reported the mileage to be 40 mpg (premium.) [A Prius would give you at least 50 mpg on regular gas.]

when the whole point of the Volt is to charge at home and never need public charging stations.

This is a debatable statement to make. Perhaps if you live in North Korea, where you aren't allowed to leave the city, you can indeed ride around in a golf cart and you will be OK. However everyone who I know takes long trips quite frequently - sometimes even involuntarily (when family members call and ask for something that you can't refuse.) Cars, as they are today, are universal vehicles. A car can take you to work, all of five miles, but after work a call from wife can send you on a trip of 100 miles because (insert any reason here.) We do not plan our life around cars - they are our servants, always waiting for orders and always ready to carry us, non-stop, pretty much anywhere.

Cars like Leaf - and in part like Volt - are undermining this freedom. Now they are becoming new tamagotchi, things that need care and feeding. But don't we already have enough of those?

Cost-wise, modern EVs (Volt and Leaf) offer negative savings over the estimated lifetime of the car. The savings are trickling in so slowly that the car will become dust and rust before you break even. Do not forget, you are investing $40K that you could have invested differently, with interest. A car doesn't pay you an interest.

I personally would love to have an electric car. But it has to be a real car - one that can go for a few hundred miles, one that can be recharged in minutes, one that can hold the charge pretty much forever, and one that costs reasonable money. That's what today's gasoline cars do. As soon as an EV meets these requirements I will be glad to buy one. Until then, these are just toys. The technology is simply not ready.

44 posted on 05/01/2012 10:42:55 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: packrat35

Well, there probably won’t be any problem finding someone who wants all that lithium. 8 jillion cell phones can’t be wrong.


45 posted on 05/01/2012 10:43:05 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Away with them and the high horses they rode in on.)
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To: montanajoe

Love it. My sweetie builds me a new ‘puter for my office every couple of years.... My Dad was a self-made, self-taught farm boy who could repair any piece of equipment on the fly with bubblegum and bobbie pins if that was all there was. Dad was an accomplished engineer, designer, installer of commercial laundries and hotel systems... working at it up until 7 yrs before he passed on. He loved his work. He loved the creativity and challenge and despised “educated idiots”. Rock on Pappy!


46 posted on 05/01/2012 10:58:31 PM PDT by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Hojczyk

http://green.autoblog.com/2012/05/01/chevy-volt-sales-drop-to-1-462-nissan-leaf-sales-fall-to-370/

After selling a record number of Volts in March – 2,289 – Chevrolet managed to move just 1,462 in April. This is more inline with previous recent months (1,023 sales in February, 603 sold in January, 1,529 in December) and is almost three times the 493 sold in April 2011.

For the Leaf, Nissan sold just 370 in April, down from 579 units in March and 478 in February. In fact, 370 is lower than the number Nissan sold in April 2011, 573. The Leaf’s best sales month ever was June 2011 with 1,708 units.


47 posted on 05/02/2012 12:33:26 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: ltc8k6
In March, Chevy was offering a 36 Month, Zero Down Payment Lease on the Volt for $369 a Month.

That explains the increased March Sales numbers. You cannot lease a $42,000 Vehicle for $369 a Month without a large Down Payment. The numbers simply cannot work, unless they used the Taxpayer funded $7,500 Tax Rebate as the Down Payment. Hmmmmmmmmm...

48 posted on 05/02/2012 12:44:07 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (A day without Obama is like a day without a Tsunami.)
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To: Kickass Conservative

According to the IRS, when a car is leased, the leasing company gets to pocket the rebate.


49 posted on 05/02/2012 3:00:37 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

The batteries will not last anywhere near what the liars expect. I’ve been using a golf cart regularly for years and the batteries half life is much less than ‘sticker’. The disposal issues add more $ to this as well as the lack of charging stations....it is a BIG LOSER like everything else the idiot Left touches!


50 posted on 05/02/2012 5:16:46 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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