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Higher Cigarette Taxes Drove Smokers To Pipe Tobacco & Cigars
The Consumerist ^ | 4/18/12 | Chris Morran

Posted on 05/02/2012 4:47:14 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper

Among the intended goals of higher taxes on cigarettes is that some smokers will quitrather than dealwith the increased cost. While this may happen, newly released numbers show that taxing cigarettes also drove up the sales of forms of tobacco that are taxed at lower rates.

The Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act (CHIPRA) of 2009 increased and equalized federal excise tax rates for cigarettes, roll-your-own tobacco, and small cigars. It also increased the tax rates on pipe tobacco and cigars, but not to the levelof theother items.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: chipra; nazis; pufflist; smoking; taxandspend; taxes; taxincrease
Up next: a ban on pipes.
1 posted on 05/02/2012 4:47:20 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

One day soon, the anti-smoking crowd will succeed in getting them banned everywhere. And when they have that feat packed in the bag, they’ll start in on the next vice - take your pick...running shoes (made by slave child labor, etc.)....water in plastic bottles, whatever.

They’ll tax them out of sight to recoup what they lost in tobacco taxes and then eventually get them banned too. It won’t stop and they will not ever be satisfied. They have a dire need to control others lives and the essential ingredient in the satisfaction of that need is the ability to take money to use to fulfill it. That money will come from the future addicts who want to wear running shoes, drink water from plastic bottles, etc.

One day - they will come for your Starbucks!


2 posted on 05/02/2012 4:56:37 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: SoFloFreeper

It’s strange but I hate the smell of cigarettes and cigars but enjoy the smell of a pipe.

Believe it or not, back in the 80’s my elementary school principal smoked a pipe and walked the halls while he was doing it!

For me, there’s something nostalgic about that smell.


3 posted on 05/02/2012 4:57:40 AM PDT by TSgt (The only reason I have one in the chamber at all times, is because it is impossible to have two in.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Quite true. I go into the city once a month or less and buy my tobacco by the pound. It’s labelled as pipe tobacco but is in fact cigarette tobacco. $45 a pound and I roll my own.


4 posted on 05/02/2012 5:08:14 AM PDT by TheRhinelander
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To: SoFloFreeper

If the government had kept a reasonable (although higher than any other product) tax rate on cigarettes they wouldn’t be losing all that tax revenue - and that is all this is about.

They don’t want to ban it - They want more taxes from it.


5 posted on 05/02/2012 5:08:22 AM PDT by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Well hellsbells if you’re moving to a pipe, grow your own tobacco.

Why not, the pot smokers do it!


6 posted on 05/02/2012 5:09:30 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Breitbart)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Want to close the Mexican border?

Start smuggling in cigarettes and fatty foods with the cocaine and illegals. The Leftists will clamp down tight to stop that.


7 posted on 05/02/2012 5:13:53 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I switched from cigarettes for little cigars (basically the same thing) years ago and ain’t ever going back. They taste like a cigarette used to taste. I can get them for about $10.99 a carton over the Internet.


8 posted on 05/02/2012 5:15:50 AM PDT by McGruff (Support your local Republican candidates. They are our last line of defense.)
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To: TheRhinelander

$4 American for a carton of L&Ms in Kandahar. I wonder what the price would be with no tax in the USA?


9 posted on 05/02/2012 5:23:33 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: TheRhinelander
You can buy it for less than $15 a pound. Forty five dollars? Good grief!
10 posted on 05/02/2012 5:37:58 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: SoFloFreeper

A couple of times, I went from cigs to pipe.

I found I increased lighting the pipe from a couple of times a day to about 10 times a day.

In January 2003, I quit cigs/pipe completely. Have not used either since.

I figure, with increased cost (taxes and tobacco price), I am saving about $1800-2400 per year. I use the saving to splurge occasionally — LCD TV, laptop, desktop computer, ROKU and Netflix streaming, WDTV box, etc.

Those splurges are guilt-free. And, after nearly 10 years of being smokeless, I have quite a surplus for more splurges.


11 posted on 05/02/2012 5:40:25 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: SoFloFreeper

Well, now that I live in Kentucky I can roll my own cigars. They may not be the best (finding good wrapper leaves may be a challenge), but they will be completely under the nanny state radar.


12 posted on 05/02/2012 5:47:07 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: libertarian27

—They don’t want to ban it - They want more taxes from it.—

This is precisely it.


13 posted on 05/02/2012 5:48:13 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: TomGuy

I have two humidors filled with cigars. I smoke, on average, about one a month. ;-)


14 posted on 05/02/2012 5:49:25 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Gaffer
One day soon, the anti-smoking crowd will succeed in getting them banned everywhere. And when they have that feat packed in the bag, they’ll start in on the next vice - take your pick...running shoes (made by slave child labor, etc.)....water in plastic bottles, whatever.

Eventually they'll tax income until no one has income anymore.

Why are liberals such idiots?

They raise taxes on cigarettes to stifle smoking. They raise taxes on soda to stifle people from drinking pop. They raise taxes on fast food, again to stifle people from eating too much fast food. These are all punitive taxes aimed at curbing something.

So why aren't income taxes viewed as punitive???

If taxes are used to stifle growth or use in one area, why aren't they viewed that way in ALL areas.

And if the "ultimate goal" of all these taxes are to eliminate these activities (for our own good), then why aren't income taxes viewed as the same thing??? To curb people from making income.

15 posted on 05/02/2012 6:28:18 AM PDT by mountn man (Happiness is not a destination, its a way of life.)
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To: TheRhinelander

You are paying WAY too much - but rest assured that it’s not taxes but a huge retailer markup :)


16 posted on 05/02/2012 6:30:55 AM PDT by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: TomGuy

yes, i quit about 15 years ago. Saving tons of money.

Choice is a wonderful thing.


17 posted on 05/02/2012 6:37:05 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: TheRhinelander

That same pipe tobacco is available online for under $14/lb. For some reason, the tubes are cheaper locally than online.


18 posted on 05/02/2012 6:59:08 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: Beagle8U

Where can I get it for that price? Any links appreciated.


19 posted on 05/02/2012 7:44:45 AM PDT by TheRhinelander
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To: TSgt
It’s strange but I hate the smell of cigarettes and cigars but enjoy the smell of a pipe.

I think all the federally mandated additives to cigarettes is what made them digesting.
20 posted on 05/02/2012 8:11:23 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Lord, save me from some conservatives, they don't understand history any better than liberals.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Wonder how much taxes pot users pay.in Ca we have thousands of such shops.


21 posted on 05/02/2012 9:04:51 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: TheRhinelander
I just buy it at any local tobacco shop/cigar store.

They all charge about the same prices.

It will be labeled ‘pipe tobacco’ but it is the same thing as the cigarette tobacco before the 2,200% tax increase put on by Obumbles in 2009.

You are paying extra for nothing but the wording on the bag by buying cigarette tobacco now.

22 posted on 05/03/2012 3:37:44 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: libertarian27
No, it's taxes. Obumbles raised the tax on cigarette tobacco 2,200% as soon as he took office.

But the tax on pipe tobacco didn't go up much. Today people buy their cigarette tobacco in a bag labeled ‘pipe tobacco’, but it is the same damn thing.

23 posted on 05/03/2012 3:44:29 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Beagle8U

I was responding to a poster who was paying $45/lb for smooth pipe tobacco - that’s too much of a retail mark-up - I pay around $14/lb...well, unless that posters state tax on pipe is through the roof.

I have some tinned AS cigarette tobacco pre-SCHIP - it’s STILL good!


24 posted on 05/03/2012 4:23:50 AM PDT by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: libertarian27
Wow, I misread that, he did say pipe tobacco!

I have never heard of anyone paying close to that much.

I can buy a couple brands for just under $12 a pound at several local stores.

25 posted on 05/03/2012 4:57:04 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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