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SEC. 31406. VEHICLE EVENT DATA RECORDERS, Senate Bill 1813 (Big Brother Watches Bill Passes Senate)
GovTrack ^ | Mar 14, 2012 | US Senate

Posted on 05/02/2012 11:16:14 AM PDT by xzins

SEC. 31406. VEHICLE EVENT DATA RECORDERS. (a) Mandatory Event Data Recorders-

(1) IN GENERAL- Not later than 180 days after the date of enactment of this Act, the Secretary shall revise part 563 of title 49, Code of Federal Regulations, to require, beginning with model year 2015, that new passenger motor vehicles sold in the United States be equipped with an event data recorder that meets the requirements under that part.

(2) PENALTY- The violation of any provision under part 563 of title 49, Code of Federal Regulations--

(A) shall be deemed to be a violation of section 30112 of title 49, United States Code;

(B) shall be subject to civil penalties under section 30165(a) of that title; and

(C) shall not subject a manufacturer (as defined in section 30102(a)(5) of that title) to the requirements under section 30120 of that title.

(b) Limitations on Information Retrieval-

(1) OWNERSHIP OF DATA- Any data in an event data recorder required under part 563 of title 49, Code of Federal Regulations, regardless of when the passenger motor vehicle in which it is installed was manufactured, is the property of the owner, or in the case of a leased vehicle, the lessee of the passenger motor vehicle in which the data recorder is installed.

(2) PRIVACY- Data recorded or transmitted by such a data recorder may not be retrieved by a person other than the owner or lessee of the motor vehicle in which the recorder is installed unless--

(A) a court authorizes retrieval of the information in furtherance of a legal proceeding;

(B) the owner or lessee consents to the retrieval of the information for any purpose, including the purpose of diagnosing, servicing, or repairing the motor vehicle;

(C) the information is retrieved pursuant to an investigation or inspection authorized under section 1131(a) or 30166 of title 49, United States Code, and the personally identifiable information of the owner, lessee, or driver of the vehicle and the vehicle identification number is not disclosed in connection with the retrieved information; or

(D) the information is retrieved for the purpose of determining the need for, or facilitating, emergency medical response in response to a motor vehicle crash.

(c) Report to Congress- Two years after the date of implementation of subsection (a), the Secretary shall study the safety impact and the impact on individual privacy of event data recorders in passenger motor vehicles and report its findings to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation of the Senate and the Committee on Energy and Commerce of the House of Representatives. The report shall include--

(1) the safety benefits gained from installation of event data recorders;

(2) the recommendations on what, if any, additional data the event data recorder should be modified to record;

(3) the additional safety benefit such information would yield;

(4) the estimated cost to manufacturers to implement the new enhancements;

(5) an analysis of how the information proposed to be recorded by an event data recorder conforms to applicable legal, regulatory, and policy requirements regarding privacy;

(6) a determination of the risks and effects of collecting and maintaining the information proposed to be recorded by an event data recorder;

(7) an examination and evaluation of the protections and alternative processes for handling information recorded by an event data recorder to mitigate potential privacy risks.

(d) Revised Requirements for Event Data Recorders- Based on the findings of the study under subsection (c), the Secretary shall initiate a rulemaking proceeding to revise part 563 of title 49, Code of Federal Regulations. The rule--

(1) shall require event data recorders to capture and store data related to motor vehicle safety covering a reasonable time period before, during, and after a motor vehicle crash or airbag deployment, including a rollover;

(2) shall require that data stored on such event data recorders be accessible, regardless of vehicle manufacturer or model, with commercially available equipment in a specified data format;

(3) shall establish requirements for preventing unauthorized access to the data stored on an event data recorder in order to protect the security, integrity, and authenticity of the data; and

(4) may require an interoperable data access port to facilitate universal accessibility and analysis.

(e) Disclosure of Existence and Purpose of Event Data Recorder- The rule issued under subsection (d) shall require that any owner’s manual or similar documentation provided to the first purchaser of a passenger motor vehicle for purposes other than resale--

(1) disclose that the vehicle is equipped with such a data recorder; and

(2) explain the purpose of the data recorder.

(f) Access to Event Data Recorders in Agency Investigations- Section 30166(c)(3)(C) of title 49, United States Code, is amended by inserting ‘, including any electronic data contained within the vehicle’s diagnostic system or event data recorder’ after ‘equipment.’

(g) Deadline for Rulemaking- The Secretary shall issue a final rule under subsection (d) not later than 4 years after the date of enactment of this Act.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; biggovernment
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Big Brother really does want to watch you.

This passed the Senate a few weeks back, and is another 1600 page bill so full that no one can keep track of it.

They say, of course that you own the information, but then they say that a court, or an investigation, etc., can take it whether you want them to or not.

1 posted on 05/02/2012 11:16:23 AM PDT by xzins
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To: xzins

If I own the information, can I erase it any time I want?


2 posted on 05/02/2012 11:19:43 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: xzins

For those of us who like classic muscle cars, time to stock up on spares.


3 posted on 05/02/2012 11:20:28 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (Sofa King Mitt Odd Did Obamneycare)
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To: xzins

The next step is random searches to see if you’ve been speeding in the past—automatic ticket.


4 posted on 05/02/2012 11:20:47 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: xzins

Did this pass in the House?


5 posted on 05/02/2012 11:24:53 AM PDT by ataDude (Its like 1933, mixed with the Carter 70s, plus the books 1984 and Animal Farm, all at the same time.)
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To: xzins

Let’s get to work figuring out how to disable or fool these things. And let’s get the lawyers busy working up a Fourth and Fifth Amendment challenge.


6 posted on 05/02/2012 11:25:35 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: ShadowAce
Time to call your House of Reps Member and tell them NOT to support this bill in any way! Can you believe it has a provision about rolling your own cigarettes!? I mean...I don't do cigarettes...but please.

Get OUT of our Lives!!

This has not yet passed the House of Representatives

7 posted on 05/02/2012 11:25:41 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Obama Disses the Operators Who Took Out Bin Laden in Afghan!)
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To: xzins

Some entrepreneur will have these things disabled or overridden within weeks of coming out.

“Gosh officer, I have no idea what’s wrong with it, I didn’t even know it was there, honest!”


8 posted on 05/02/2012 11:26:06 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: ShadowAce

This can happen automatically through satelite and GPS. Expect before long to see counties and cash-strapped local governments begin issuing sitations to you via the mail because you once sped through their town. Don’t pay the fine, and your vehicle becomes immobilized.


9 posted on 05/02/2012 11:26:06 AM PDT by RacerXSpeedRacer (Conservative principals and values - pray for our future.)
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To: ataDude

It has not yet passed the House.

We need to rally our representatives!

The HUGE catch-all bills should be made illegal


10 posted on 05/02/2012 11:27:15 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Obama Disses the Operators Who Took Out Bin Laden in Afghan!)
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To: ataDude

It has not yet passed the House.

We need to rally our representatives!

These HUGE catch-all bills should be made illegal


11 posted on 05/02/2012 11:27:44 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Obama Disses the Operators Who Took Out Bin Laden in Afghan!)
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To: ShadowAce

Ray the Rino LaHood’s mileage tax...here it comes.

they sell it as accident reconstruction to “lower insurance rates”...just like Obamacare “will lower healthcare costs”...

FUBO


12 posted on 05/02/2012 11:28:10 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: xzins
If it really was an issue. Insurance companies could ask clients in return for lower rates to purchase or utilize such a system. That would be fine.

However, now, turning every friggin vehicle into a data collection device for the Gov't is absurd.

'Conspiracy theorist' have long noted this would happen, this is just the beginning.

13 posted on 05/02/2012 11:35:31 AM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: Theoria

This MUST be stopped in the House of Representatives

Who are these freakin’ people who think the government should be keeping a constant eye on us?


14 posted on 05/02/2012 11:39:09 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Obama Disses the Operators Who Took Out Bin Laden in Afghan!)
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To: xzins

General Motors and Ford have had these devices ,EDRs, on many of their models for some years now. As I understand them they are a continious recorder which rewrites over the data every so many seconds. Thus you have a continious flow of some time span, say 20 seconds which is preserved in the event of a crash, air bag deployment, etc. Some foreign mfgrs don’t use EDRs at all.


15 posted on 05/02/2012 11:41:01 AM PDT by deport (.............God Bless Texas............)
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To: xzins

This will add significantly to the cost of your new car.

Wait until the Insurance companies start refusing to pay for your accident because you were in the wrong.

Hit a deer doing 10 mile over the limit. Tough jellybeans the Insurance won’t pay off.


16 posted on 05/02/2012 11:43:13 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Theoria
Insurance companies could ask clients in return for lower rates to purchase or utilize such a system.

Progressive is already doing this with their "Snapshot" program.

17 posted on 05/02/2012 11:43:36 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: xzins

Electronic tickets coming our way.
This is all about collecting $$$, not safety.


18 posted on 05/02/2012 11:45:11 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: xzins

Sent this to my congressman.


19 posted on 05/02/2012 11:45:31 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: xzins

They need to install a direct line so I can leave daily messages while I am “driving” around in my goverment mandated Chevy Volt.


20 posted on 05/02/2012 11:45:43 AM PDT by Leep (Enemy of the Statist)
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To: ShadowAce
td> Begich, Mark
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21 posted on 05/02/2012 11:48:17 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Obama Disses the Operators Who Took Out Bin Laden in Afghan!)
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To: ShadowAce

“Insurance companies could ask clients in return for lower rates to purchase or utilize such a system.”

Let’s say what this really means ...

“Insurance companies will automatically charge much higher rates unless you comply and give them unlimited access to this data.”

Got it right now.


22 posted on 05/02/2012 11:50:35 AM PDT by George from New England
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To: xzins

I can’t believe how many of the sellouts are from traditionally non-RINO states. These people hate America.


23 posted on 05/02/2012 11:52:20 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (Sofa King Mitt Odd Did Obamneycare)
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To: TurboZamboni

Progressive Insurance company already has a voluntary “Snapshot Discount” they call it - a little black box device you plug in and it records your driving habits...for discounted insurance, of course...

Look into who owns Progressive insurance. There’s a reason he named it “Progressive.”


24 posted on 05/02/2012 11:56:17 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: xzins

“...about rolling your own cigarettes...”

That makes sense having it in this bill.

Gives you something to do while you download the data from the little black box to your PC.

Plus, it will be a handy thing to know when you are sent to prison for violation of Rule 697543 of the Motor Laws for driving more than 40 miles/day in a gas or diesel powered vehicle.


25 posted on 05/02/2012 11:56:53 AM PDT by 21twelve
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To: ataDude

This mandate hasn’t passed the House requiring the installation of EDRs but don’t forget these devices are on many vehicles running the roads today.


26 posted on 05/02/2012 11:59:21 AM PDT by deport (.............God Bless Texas............)
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To: IronJack

I’m sure we can find a way to upload fake data. It won’t take long.


27 posted on 05/02/2012 12:06:18 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: xzins

22 Republicans UNSAT!


28 posted on 05/02/2012 12:16:24 PM PDT by jimmyo57
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To: deport
Older data......

States with EDR statutes as of Nov. 8, 2007:

Arkansas Code 27-37-103
California Code 9950-9953
Colorado Statutes 12-6-4
Connecticut Public Act 07-235*
Maine Statutes 29A-1-17-3
New Hampshire Statutes 357-G
New York Laws 4A16 416-B
Nevada Statutes 484.638
North Dakota Code 51-07-28
Oregon Revised Statutes 644
Texas Statutes 547.615
Virginia Code 46.2-1088.6
*Enacted in 2007, to be enrolled in the state statutes in 2008
State courts that have accepted EDR evidence as of Nov 8, 2007:
Arizona
California
Colorado
Florida
Georgia
Hawaii
Illinois
Maine
Massachusetts
Michigan
Nevada
New York
Ohio
Pennsylvania
South Carolina
South Dakota
Texas
Wisconsin
Virginia
-----

Crash Data Services Interactive Map of States with EDR Laws

Go to their website for clickable links to the states and their data.

29 posted on 05/02/2012 12:21:17 PM PDT by deport (.............God Bless Texas............)
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To: xzins
(D) the information is retrieved for the purpose of determining the need for, or facilitating, emergency medical response in response to a motor vehicle crash.

and what data would it contain to assist with the above?

let's see; GPS for location, the number of people in vehicle and .......

30 posted on 05/02/2012 12:24:20 PM PDT by Lockbox
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To: jimmyo57

I was amazed at that Jimmy. 22 Repubs voted YEA on this, and 3 voted “NO VOTE”

This is a “conservative” party????


31 posted on 05/02/2012 12:24:28 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Obama Disses the Operators Who Took Out Bin Laden in Afghan!)
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To: Zathras

You are right it is about $$$, but not necessarily about tickets.

It is about TAXES! The gov’t wants all cars equipped with recording devices so they can implement and collect a mileage tax from the car owners. I have a friend developing this equipment, and the gov’t people they present it to are just drooling with the expected tax revenue they stand to collect.

The ticket thing will be used as well, but the tax angle is what OUR congresscritters are after.

Where did the TEA Party go?


32 posted on 05/02/2012 12:38:11 PM PDT by wrench
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To: xzins

And nobody will do anything. This, too, will pass.


33 posted on 05/02/2012 12:42:35 PM PDT by wastedyears (There can be only one.)
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To: xzins
...Data recorded or transmitted by such a data recorder may not be retrieved by a person other than the owner or lessee of the motor vehicle in which the recorder is installed unless--...the information is retrieved for the purpose of determining the need for, or facilitating, emergency medical response in response to a motor vehicle crash...

Which means the government or agents of the government will have the ability to retrieve such data in real time or near real time. Which means they will eventually gather this data routinely and use this excuse when confronted. "Well, we needed to determine if medical response was needed."

34 posted on 05/02/2012 12:48:06 PM PDT by FReepaholic (Stupidity is not a crime, so you're free to go.)
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To: wastedyears

This has passed the Senate, but it doesn’t have to pass the House of Reps.

Write your Representative!


35 posted on 05/02/2012 12:49:51 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Obama Disses the Operators Who Took Out Bin Laden in Afghan!)
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To: wastedyears

they have to pass it to see what’s in it...


36 posted on 05/02/2012 12:51:33 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Abathar

doubtful. not as a legit business , any way.

IE: see how many auto repair shops will take up your offer to remove a catalytic convertor.

doing in for cash on the downlow may be profitable.


37 posted on 05/02/2012 12:56:09 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: xzins

I will begin now, to design a bypass switch.

Others can get rich installing the devices I sell.

It’s not like the state or the Insurance companies have a legal right to intrude.


38 posted on 05/02/2012 1:04:41 PM PDT by G Larry (Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding)
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To: IronJack

What would be better is to feed it false information. When the retrieve it, it simply says...

F U B O!

F U Congress!

F U Big Brother!


39 posted on 05/02/2012 1:06:45 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: xzins

Can You spell “On Star”


40 posted on 05/02/2012 1:15:03 PM PDT by Plain Old American (Remember who said what; Remind those who don't Remember; Vote and take a friend to the polls)
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To: xzins

Just called Pete Olson’s office in both Washington and Sugar Land and told them I expected him to vote no. No one in either office was aware of any of the details of this bill. Pathetic! Just one of the reasons why I am glad he had someone running against him this time for whom I will be happy to vote.


41 posted on 05/02/2012 1:18:48 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: xzins

Sure, they can take it with a court order. Go ahead, it’s in that spare parts bin in the corner of the garage along with the other useless junk I removed from the vehicle :)


42 posted on 05/02/2012 1:18:56 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: xzins

CRASH DATA RECORDER TOOLS HERE:
http://www.boschdiagnostics.com/parts/cdr/CDR/Pages/CDR.aspx

Includes harnesses that convert your car’s EDR/CDR/PCM/ACM connectors to a standard D-Sub connector for connection to your laptop (or desktop, if you get an extension cable) computer’s serial I/O port.

Happy hunting!


43 posted on 05/02/2012 1:29:27 PM PDT by HKMk23 (GOPe 2012 MITT HAPPENS)
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To: xzins

ASSOCIATED SOFTWARE AVAILABLE FOR DOWNLOAD HERE:
http://www.boschdiagnostics.com/software/pages/CDR_software.aspx

Prolly hafta hack it to run it unless you know a mech who’s already a certified subscriber. In which case, quit mucking around at Bosch Diagnostics; just slip your mech a c-note and use his tools.


44 posted on 05/02/2012 1:32:44 PM PDT by HKMk23 (GOPe 2012 MITT HAPPENS)
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To: xzins

THE RINOs

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Yea   R   Collins, Susan ME 0.368269836798
Yea   R   Blunt, Roy MO 0.728905791923
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Yea   R   Brown, Scott MA 0.470587397187
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Yea   R   Heller, Dean NV 0.655024286835
Yea   R   Hutchison, Kay TX 0.73557890887
Yea   R   Alexander, Lamar TN 0.685007652965
Yea   R   Isakson, John “Johnny” GA 0.807557003462

45 posted on 05/02/2012 2:17:33 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: xzins

Make no mistake about this.

This is the modern version of, “PAPERS PLEASE.”


46 posted on 05/02/2012 2:28:13 PM PDT by EBH (The redistribution of another man's money, does not create wealth for the "greater good.")
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To: Theoria

Oh wait, go back and read this again...after two years some beaurcrat is going to tighten the screws on this even more...

This is just another bill of slow tyranny coming into being. Two years from now...we have no real idea what life is going to be like in two years from now, now do we.

Are they anticipating a turn over of congress in 2014?

We need better than an election to stop this crap. The government needs to be served a cease and desist order from we the people. We need to stop them.


47 posted on 05/02/2012 2:33:39 PM PDT by EBH (The redistribution of another man's money, does not create wealth for the "greater good.")
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To: xzins
After reading the bill thoroughly, and reading nearly every response here's what came to my mind.

Like identity theft, and credit card theft which is running rampant I can see the HACKERS finding and selling ways to access and adjust the data recorded by the boxes

I've see SEVERAL DRM - Digital Rights Management codes hacked and broken faster than they could get a foothold. If this black box is computer oriented it will be compromised and accessed probably sooner rather than later.

48 posted on 05/02/2012 2:53:51 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: BenLurkin

The law does not prohibit removal of the device by the owner, merely that it must be sold with the device installed.


49 posted on 05/02/2012 4:40:36 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Grams A

Nice work, Grams.

It’s time to put the pressure on all those we elect, especially those who were elected with Tea Party support, to make sure they personally READ EVERY bill they vote yes on.

If that’s too much work for them then they don’t deserve to be in office.


50 posted on 05/02/2012 6:19:59 PM PDT by Principle Over Politics (Romney 2012 is McCain 2008. No more RINOs! It was good while it lasted, Sarah.)
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