[okie01]

His message is that in order for the USA to transition from empire to NON-Empire, we have to accept that that process will involve a whole lot of impending death -MILLIONS of people.

In his book, Ayers estimated that achieving Utopia might require killing 25 million people.

[GraceG]

[ His message is that in order for the USA to transition from empire to NON-Empire, we have to accept that that process will involve a whole lot of impending death -MILLIONS of people.

In his book, Ayers estimated that achieving Utopia might require killing 25 million people. ]

How to spot a SCAM 101: If any proposal to achieve Utopia requires the killing of ANYONE, it will always NOT LEAD TO UTOPIA.