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Another life cut short by an unforgiving game [Junior Seau]
Boston Herald ^ | May 3, 2012 | Ron Borges

Posted on 05/03/2012 4:17:30 AM PDT by No One Special

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To: OldPossum
To indicate my bias, I detest football, it’s an ugly game in my view. And I think baseball is the finest sport ever conceived by the mind of man. But that’s just me.

It ain't just you. And I'm certainly glad to learn it ain't just me.

Every single NFL game is shown on regular network television. But unless you pay $50+ a month you don't get to watch baseball games other than sat. afternoons and the post-season. We get fewer games on satellite than we used to get on cable.

The MLB channel is a joke. The ESPN stations show a lot of games only for the first couple weeks. Then it's a trickle. And we've gone from getting to follow the Braves, Cardinals, and Reds to just the Braves. Even WGN doesn't show as many Cubs games as it used to.

I'd like to see how NFL fans would react if they were denied their games like we baseball fans are.

51 posted on 05/03/2012 9:12:48 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: newzjunkey

As I said above, the hypothesis that football-related brain damage is a factor in the suicides (and other neurological problems) is reasonable. It should be studied further. It’s possible - practically certain, in fact - that there are also other factors in each individual case.


52 posted on 05/03/2012 9:14:22 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Do you know why I love reptiles? It's because they don't play guitars or ukuleles.)
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To: Tax-chick

“That is not accurate. According to NIMH, the highest rate (14.3 per 100,000) is for people 65 and older. The next highest is ages 20-24, followed by 15-19.

The author’s logic is correct, as far as it goes. If men from age groups that are less likely to commit suicide are doing so in unexpected numbers, then perhaps they have a significant factor in common: a factor such as head trauma. This reasoning doesn’t prove the causation, but the article says physical studies and other research are being done on the subject.”

I have to say, this display of knowledge, logic, and scientific discipline may have turned me on a little. I see it so rarely, and when I do, the reaction is nearly physical.

Congratulations.


53 posted on 05/03/2012 9:20:22 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: Tax-chick
According to NIMH

You sure you want to go there? (Sorry. Couldn't resist.)

I apologize for the off-topic posts. I don't follow football but it sounds as if this Junior Seau was a relatively nice fellow, and of course suicide is always tragic. Condolences to his family, friends, and fans.

54 posted on 05/03/2012 9:21:23 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: robowombat
If free men wished to engage in gladiatorial combat I would have no objection.

You can't possibly mean that. The gladiators fought to the death. Please tell us you aren't really that "libertarian."

55 posted on 05/03/2012 9:31:44 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

I laughed at that, too!

And yes, it’s a very sad event, regardless of the immediate cause of his suicide.


56 posted on 05/03/2012 9:33:37 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Skip the election and let Thomas Sowell choose the next President.)
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To: No One Special
The poor babies get paid MILLIONS of dollar to PLAY a GAME.

The fact that they can't handle life afterwards due to personal weakness is not the fault of the game...

57 posted on 05/03/2012 9:36:06 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Considering the way the NFL establishment has treated him over the years, Limbaugh might ought to think about favoring soccer football over American gridiron football.

That's not likely. Limbaugh once said that the only reason to attend a soccer game is to watch the fans of the losing team riot.

58 posted on 05/03/2012 10:02:24 AM PDT by Fiji Hill (Deo Vindice!)
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To: RinaseaofDs

Why, thank you! I sometimes have a similar reaction to a particularly brilliant Thomas Sowell column ;-).

It’s amazing that a simple application of the scientific method - make an observation, form a hypothesis of the cause, TEST the hypothesis, repeat as necessary - could be so unusual, but it seems that many of the comments go from “form a hypothesis” to “declare the hypothesis correct” with no concept of intermediate steps.


59 posted on 05/03/2012 10:05:26 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Skip the election and let Thomas Sowell choose the next President.)
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To: No One Special
No doubt Football Players are subject to head and brain trauma, but what hasn't been mentioned with these ex-players suicides is ... Steroids.

Jr's entire career was when Steroid use was rampant at all levels, even in High School. So besides the naturally occurring brain trauma from playing what about an added connection like 'Steroid withdrawal'?

You can just tell by looking at these ex-players that they were 'juiced' while playing as a couple years after retiring they're body mass is like 40% of what it was. That just doesn't happen and just isn't normal.

And I mean a connection to all Pro players who commit suicide, not just in the NFL. That connection should be looked at too. Not just the knocks to the head causing depression. After all we do know that 'Roid Rage' exists. That can't be the only effect it has on the brain.

(I just looked at Wiki. Depression can, or MAY, be caused by Steroid use, but the study was 'inconclusive'.)

60 posted on 05/03/2012 10:06:04 AM PDT by Condor51 (Yo Hoffa, so you want to 'take out conservatives'. Well okay Jr - I'm your Huckleberry)
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To: Dead Corpse

[ The poor babies get paid MILLIONS of dollar to PLAY a GAME.
The fact that they can’t handle life afterwards due to personal weakness is not the fault of the game... ]

Warning: Living any sort of life can lead to illness injury and eventually certain death.


61 posted on 05/03/2012 10:06:20 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: BillM
Many years ago our U of Waterloo rugby team went down to South Bend to play Notre Dame. We were told that NOBODY in the football program was allowed to play rugby because they had worn ‘armor’ all their lives and there were too many head and upper body injuries.

When Pat Haden went to Oxford to begin a Rhodes scholarship, his classmates learned that he had been a star quarterback for the USC Trojans and invited him to join the rugby team. He declined, saying, "I love my body too much."

62 posted on 05/03/2012 10:06:58 AM PDT by Fiji Hill (Deo Vindice!)
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To: PUGACHEV

It’s a valid point. Like lung cancer, everybody that smokes doesn’t get it, so why tell people what they can and cannot do.

The facts are out there. They all know the dangers, if they look at the money and go for it, don’t ask me to ban everyone else who goes for it.


63 posted on 05/03/2012 10:11:03 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Fiji Hill

My point is that rugby does not result in these types of injuries. There is some consideration of self preservation involved.


64 posted on 05/03/2012 10:26:17 AM PDT by BillM (.)
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To: LevinFan
Do what your want, but I wouldn’t allowed a child of mine to play football, and would discourage them from watching. Football is a pure blood sport that is as vicious as gladatorial games in rome.

My son has played football for 10 years and soccer for 12.

Soccer: 3 broken fingers, skull fracture, concussion, shin haematoma

Football: mildly sprained finger

I worry every soccer season. BTW ... he will be playing football in college ... at MIT ... thankfully no lasting effects from his soccer injuries.

65 posted on 05/03/2012 10:26:34 AM PDT by lkco
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
My guess is post-retirement depression (which usually manifests itself in a new career of drug-dealing). His first suicide attempt came the year after he retired. I heard Fred Smerlas talk about the phenomenon this morning.

T.O. is somebody I am very worried about, he is desperate to keep some semblance of a football career, even going so low as to play in the Arena League.....but once it's over, he's going to be in big trouble if he doesn't get his head right. He's already had one documented suicide attempt while he was playing for the Cowboys.

66 posted on 05/03/2012 10:31:51 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Gary Speed, a Welsh soccer player about the same age as Seau, committed suicide last fall. The thinking in Speed's case was that it was caused by depression due to the end of his sporting career

That seems weird considering Speed was, at the time of his suicide, the Manager of the Welsh National Team, so certainly he still was very involved in the game.

67 posted on 05/03/2012 10:35:05 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
These guys don't start playing football when they sign their rookie contract. Most pros have been playing since 5-6 years old, and as I said, I am more concerned about head trauma on developing brains. Frankly, I think any parent who lets his kid play football is an idiot.

Rising insurance costs are going to force a lot of schools to drop the game.

68 posted on 05/03/2012 10:36:48 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: No One Special

We may never know for sure, but it is possible his demons were not caused by football.


69 posted on 05/03/2012 10:38:05 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
Considering the way the NFL establishment has treated him over the years, Limbaugh might ought to think about favoring soccer football over American gridiron football.

I pretty much now follow the English Premier League more than the NFL....going to be a fun last few weeks with the battle between United and City, and the battle to avoid the drop.

70 posted on 05/03/2012 10:38:25 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: dfwgator

-—He’s already had one documented suicide attempt while he was playing for the Cowboys-—

Very sad. I’ll say a prayer for him.


71 posted on 05/03/2012 10:39:24 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
I would strongly discourage anyone in my immediate family from playing football also as well as para sailing and a lot of other high risk activities. As for depressives I have dealt with more than I care to among in-laws and friends of my parents. I basically want no part of them as the ones that I have had the misfortune to know seem to want to spread their personal misery around to all the rest of us. It is their problem if they are adults and there are medical treatments that work to one degree or another and they can pursue them. Life is to short to have any part it consumed by these tiresome people's misery. I don't expect anybody to take care of me and I intensely resent the ‘Bobby is sick, we have to be sensitive to him’ crapola. It is a form of emotional blackmail and extortion ‘loving’ relatives delight in visiting upon all family members. I send enough of my earnings off to the feds, the state and the local government to pay for official ‘caring’ agencies. That represents my precious time I have spent earning those dollars. Time is the one thing one never recovers and the notion that after paying out my time in taxes I am obliged to waste more of my life over some elses unhappiness makes be physically ill.
72 posted on 05/03/2012 11:29:49 AM PDT by robowombat
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To: Zionist Conspirator
About many personal choice issues I am more and more libertarian. Whose life do i have a right to risk other than my own? If I possess my life then it is mine to dispose of as I choose. Few would choose to suit up gladiator gear and go after each other with gladius and shield or trident and net. For those who would let them have at it.

I am far more concerned with the destruction of organic (traditional) culture and the social controls it contained by the endless expansion of the therapeutic state than I am a few men risking injury on the grid iron or the arena for that matter. We have reached the point where government has become the enemy of the institutions (family, community, mediating institutions such as churches) that are along with the middle class necessary for the maintenance of our culture form. The root of this is in a philosophy that sees no foreign state or alien quarrel or no part of society that the state doesn't have an interest to protect and enlarge.

73 posted on 05/03/2012 11:44:32 AM PDT by robowombat
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To: RinaseaofDs; Tax-chick

Another thing to look at is suicides among men who retired from the NBA of MLB.

I suspect that you will see a higher incidence than the age group at large, but I don’t know about other people who play sports.


74 posted on 05/03/2012 11:45:43 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: robowombat
If I possess my life then it is mine to dispose of as I choose.

That you possess your life is an assumption, and a pretty big one at that.

75 posted on 05/03/2012 12:18:49 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: redgolum

The NHL has been alarmed lately by a couple of suicides by former players during the last off-season, and they are evaluating if concussions played a role.


76 posted on 05/03/2012 12:53:33 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: dfwgator
That is interesting. NHL players have a lot of concussions also.

But again, you need a control group of similar people. I know of (some personally) former baseball players who were very depressed after being told they couldn't play anymore.

Again, I suspect that concussions may play a role, but we don't have the data available. I am not saying it is false, but when I see a media driven event, I get suspicious.

77 posted on 05/03/2012 1:38:16 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
... look at suicides among men who retired from the NBA or MLB

Yes, that would provide interesting data.

78 posted on 05/03/2012 1:40:50 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Skip the election and let Thomas Sowell choose the next President.)
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To: dfwgator

Te death of Speed coincided with the start of a campaign by the English footballers union to acclimate new retirees to post-playing life and some of the English media seemed to be trying to tie Speed to the issue. Then there is also Stan Collymore’s high profile depression to further make the English soccer world aware of such things.


79 posted on 05/03/2012 5:26:00 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Goldsborough

Donnie Moore was far from top shape at that time, but a lot of people were very unforgiving and unimpressed by the difficult circumstances he faced.


80 posted on 05/03/2012 5:29:40 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: dfwgator

Which ones committed suicide?


81 posted on 05/07/2012 7:17:12 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (I love you so much,Pumpkin. You're the best cat in the world.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Boxers are really asking for it,too. Our skulls were not meant for that kind of impact and the brain wasn’t designed to be jerked around in the skull!


82 posted on 05/07/2012 7:20:53 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (I love you so much,Pumpkin. You're the best cat in the world.)
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To: newzjunkey
john o->How long ago was he divorced and what role does the divorce play in the suicide? Seems that would be a far more proximate cause than football.

NJ->Give me a break. He had been divorced TEN YEARS.

I didn't know. That's why I asked. What else had happened in his life recently?

83 posted on 05/08/2012 10:39:16 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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