Just not good enough.
Summary executions all around.
Posted on 05/03/2012 5:06:17 AM PDT by Shane
You are correct. Yes it can. A person is in serious trouble at 72 hours without water and is on the knife edge of survival after that. Even if they don’t die, serious long-term effects can ensue.
You don’t care if a government abuses the constitutional rights of a fellow citizen?
It always starts with the “undesireables”—then it moves up to “respectable” citizens.
That could be you, one day.
But you may not be “forgotten” for four days. You may be “remembered” a month or two down the line.
Your crime?
You owned a gun.
You disagreed with Der Fuhrer Obama publicly.
You voted for the “wrong” politician.
You read a conservative book (”extremist literature”).
This isn’t about the kid doing drugs; this is about the government seeing what we, the American people, will tolerate being done to them without due process.
Just not good enough.
Summary executions all around.
What narrative? If the facts are not: Left in a cell for five days without food, water, and no charges. Then why the he’ll was he apologized to by the supervising DEA agent. What am I missing? He left in the cell with an “unknown” white powder?
These are the known facts and these facts are not disputed by the supervising agent.
So what narrative am I missing?
So in your world it’s cool to pick up citizens, imprison them without charges for five days without food and water?
Don’t get yourself invested in this one. This story is a real stinker for the gubment.
It is entirely true this young man may have been dehydrated to the point of near death.
Cut him some slack. He did not deserve this to happen and we know the offices of the government covers up everything they can. So it is good to bring this incident to the public’s attention. It is the way to get out any information as to the poor operations in some departments.
Of course not. I’m a professional and work on buildings all over the world.
We all know potheads are complete losers who never leave mommy’s basement and fill the holes in their brains with taco bell.
“You must lead a rough life; In my world, being deprived of food and water for four days is certainly torture, and being forced to drink your own urine is certainly denigrating. And I have been on both ends of military survival training, so I think I can speak from personal experience.”
Same here.
The problem here on my part, and freely admitted is I am trying to find the relevance when looking at people like Gilad Shalit and Daniel Pearl who were beaten within an inch of their lives, starved, deprived of water and in the case of Pearl, decapitated as what torture is.
This was depraved indifference on the part of the DEA and yes, justice for this aggregious crime against a citizen of the US should be handed out to the idiots who did this.
40 days? Where in the world did you read 40 days?
Just how did I answer my own question? Bush is no longer president. Obama signed the most recent law. I disagree with the laws content. American citizens are entitled to due process. Either post something that makes sense or go away.
“So it is good to bring this incident to the public’s attention. It is the way to get out any information as to the poor operations in some departments. “
I agree. I just didn’t like the way the media presented this.
I agree with you.
Why did we have to pass a Constitutional Amendmend to ban alcohol, but some executive orders and some bills through congress and Presto Bingo there is an out and out war on drugs that was never oficcially declared an actual “War”.
Because since the early 1900’s the constitution has been watered down so much it is almost meaningless....
They had to use a constiutional amendment BECAUSE they simply couldn’t have passed a bill through congress and got the president’s signature BECAUSE the “War on Drugs” is inherently Un-constitutional as it is an abuse of federal power in relation to the average citizen.
It was only through the twisted liberal logic of a “welfare state” that they were able to justify the “War on Drugs” for the “Good of Society” since the progessive playbook was to make Government “responsible” for the “good of society”.
Also forgot to mention that I think that if states want to ban drugs in the same way they have “dry counties” and “dry states” then by all means it is up to the states to do so.
Broken glass and meth came from him shoving his stash and his glass pipe in bum, then trying to eat the evidence later. Sounds a lot more plausible than some white powdery substance "hanging out" in a cell, and accidently ingesting broken glass.
Why don’t you feel outraged? Because there’s something wrong with you ? Something broken inside?
Probably...
That's not enough.
When I heard of this case there was only one question that neede to be asked in court. How much does he want? Give him a blank cheque.
It had to have been an accident. Otherwise, it was attempted murder, pure and simple.
Actually a man in good health will not die in 5 days.
I believe they knew where he was. I cannot imagine a cell block in this day and age that is not under camera surveilance or someone does not visit it for that stretch of time.
You simply don't get it. This has nothing to do with 'druggies,' and everything to do with a horrendous abuse of power by Federal (and local) government officials.
I don't care if it was intentional or if the people involved were simply incompetent - locking someone away for four days without food, water, or toilet facilities is not someting we can tolerate from the government. Every American should care about that. Certainly every Freeper should care about this - locking someone away without food, water or toilet facilities is about as far from the principles of freedom and limited government as you can get.
My only issue with this is that he is not able to personally sue the individuals involved and have the thugs with badges loose their pensions.
Did the DEA place the powdery material in his cell for him to ingest...gives a positive test....mitigates against him being a good guy. The DEA seems to be one big clusterf... after another. Chong should own the DEA after this. They are out of control.
I suppose the next thing to ask is how many like him came before? How many went, not 4 days, but 7 or 8 or l0? If they are that forgetful should they be allowed to keep the keys to the cell? Who is checking on these people each day? Where are those records kept? Has the DEA ever opened up the door to find only a skeleton? Do they feed prisoners? Do they check if prisoners committed suicide (more common than you might think)? Do they forget about diabetics or heart patients who need medicine, perhaps several times a day.
I am reminded of Hildabeast when asked about finding the lost Rose Law Firms records...her reply...."Coulda, woulda, shoulda,...lets move on."
They forgot,...my ass.
“Why I don’t feel outraged?”
I guess because your government torturing its citizens on your behalf is not outrageous to you? Or maybe not outrageous, so long as they are citizens that you deem less worthy of constitutional protections than others?
“While 4 days in a cell without water, food or toilet is excessive, this is a healthy 23 year old and he was not beaten, tortured or denigrated in any way by his captors.”
Sorry, but 4 days without food and water IS torture.
Since Bush signed the same law first, due process was lost at that time, thus it was already a thing of the past when Obama renewed the law.
“If you want to end the war on drugs and cut the statist war on drugs off at the knees, stop doing drugs.
.....
It’s been a hundred years since the passage of the Harrison Narcotics Act, and drug abuse rate is the same now as it was then.”
You admit two sentences later that drug abuse is pretty much constant, no matter what we do. Obviously, if people will never “stop doing drugs”, then your solution to the statist drug war is a utopian fantasy. It’s no saner than when lefties state that Communism will work great, if we just try it one more time.
Perhaps you missed the part about kidney failure. The 20 year old will be on dialysis for the rest of his shortened life.
Yup. Hooked up to a machine 7-8 hours a day 3-4 days a week for the rest of his life. And some in here consider that fair punishment for his crime,,,a crime he was never charged with in the first place. The ones who think what they did to him is no big deal are the sort of folks that would have been happy running a gulag in the USSR.
I would not argue too much with that if there was permanent bodily injury.
I will go away as when one argues with a fool, others will not know the difference.
Yes, PLEASE just go away!
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