Skip to comments.College student locked away, forgotten in DEA holding cell for four days, no food, water or toilet
Posted on 05/03/2012 5:06:17 AM PDT by Shane
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“Another drug-related death.”
GAH! Laz, you never fail to make me laugh.
Courage? I'm not saying anything bad about him but courage involves a choice. No matter how courageous or cowardly he was, he didn't have a choice to leave.
I guess I can,t read.
It’s ok, I admit to jumping the gun more than once here. LOL
“Sure it can. And people have gone longer in worse conditions and survived. A 97 year old woman survived 8 days without water or food during the 2004 earthquake in Iran. How many people have we read about that survived at sea for a week, just drinking their own urine?”
Natural disaster =/= left by supposed professional and competent agents.
The punishment MUST be in a form that all of the DEA from the lowest field agent to its chief will never want to allow this incident to be repeated. Further, it must get the attention of every other Federal law enforcement bureaucracies so they will take proactive steps to prevent this or a similar incident from happening.
What comes to mind is an immediate closure of the offending office couple with immediate demotion of that leadership. The final fine, adjudicated through the court system, comes out of the local and regional DEA funding until it is paid.
Sounds harsh don't it?
But, then when you take a look at the repeated “Sorry, wrong address..” raids, and “Your dog was threatening me...’ shootings, and “He pointed a gun at me but I couldn't find it later..’ killings that seem to make the news on regular basis how else are you going to force competency onto our law enforcement — I will NOT call them “protectors” and more; they lost that honorific a long time ago.
You answered your own question.
Because you're a sociopath and Government is your religion.
Perhaps they can give your family the $1K if you don’t make it.
Sounds like would be an over-payment.
I CAN'T READ - Harry Nilsson
No, I can't read this damned book
No matter how hard I squint and look
And I'll never find out how the story goes
My eyes used to be so good
But now my prespeopia shows
Yes, it shows
I can't read cuz my eyes are so damned bad
I can't read, I can't read a damned thing
I can't read no matter how much light
I can't read, I can't read any more
“Why I don’t feel outraged?”
1.You’re a cop?
2. It wasn’t your family.
3. You don’t believe in the Constitution?
4. Don’t think it could happen to you, see 1.
5. Haven’t been reading about the Secret Service so you think the Feds hire top quality people.
6. Never talked to a former DEA agent?
$1000? They tortured him for four days and nearly killed the guy! Now, he’s been introduced to meth by the DEA and surely will have psychological problems for years. I think that figure is a bit low.
People are sure giving you some hell. I know you better than that, so I was polite. But yeah you blew this one. :)
>If ever there was an example of cruel and unusual punishment this is it.<
Well said. The posters that are chiming in with comments that this college student “deserved” this treatment better remember that if a government agency can treat some kid who smoked pot like this and get away with it, they sure can get away with treating anyone for any reason the same way.
There need to be more than a few firings over this incident.
We’ll be seeing more of this in the days to come.
“I am deeply troubled by the incident that occurred here last week,” the statement said, without mentioning Chong by name. “I extend my deepest apologies to the young man and want to express that this event is not indicative of the high standards that I hold my employees to.
Wow. His kidneys have been destroyed and thats the best they can do.
I can’t help but think that if this kid was African American how this would have made world-wide news and everyone involved would have already been fired and had their heads chopped off by Sharpton’s minons. But he is not so it may last 2 weeks in the news cycle.
I am not a fan of the DEA, nor am I sympathetic to a druggie getting caught. While 4 days in a cell without water, food or toilet is excessive, this is a healthy 23 year old and he was not beaten, tortured or denigrated in any way by his captors.
No water to the point where his kidneys are destroyed? Thats not torture? Where the hell do people like you come from?
How in the world did the meth get there? And how did all of a sudden they ‘realize’ that he ingested it unless they were keeping an eye on him and waiting until he ingested it. Why? So he would finally test positive and all the DEA agents would be absolved?
Someone had to have known he was in there in the conditions he was left in. $20 million is a good number. And all the agents involved put on the stand to detail their participation in this abuse of an American.
Is this the start of that new policy about indefinitely detaining Americans determined to be a threat and not even having to file charges against them that BO so desperately wanted?
Yet despite the blood of an American and hundreds of Mexicans on his hands, Eric Holder walks free.
The $20 Mil is punitive. Its to make sure the govt doesn’t do it again. $1,000 isn’t going to get their attention.
I’d award that kid $20 mil right now just based on what I read. We are not China yet.
I take it you're a pothead too?
We get outraged because we have photos of Ubama smoking pot, but we don't get outraged about other people smoking pot.
Which way do we want it?
Or do we want it both ways, just like the Lefties?
There is no limit on punitive damages in such a case. If it’s only $20M the government will be lucky.
We just can't lock them in a room with no water for four days, permanently damaging their kidneys.
You understand now. You're welcome.
Because someone doesn't agree with you DOES NOT MEAN THEY DO DRUGS.
It does not pay.
They will screw you over first chance they get.
They can do whatever they want. They will get no interference from me in any way whatsoever. Or support.
How can any award be punative to the gov’t? It will not be paid with their dollars...the dollars are yours and mine.
I can though, make a better story in my own mind.
You must lead a rough life; In my world, being deprived of food and water for four days is certainly torture, and being forced to drink your own urine is certainly denigrating. And I have been on both ends of military survival training, so I think I can speak from personal experience.
Alright fine. You are a lost cause, a statist bastard who enables the Police State. You view certain people as Non-People.
I view people who support the police state, and have no limits to what the government can do to us, as Non-People.
What is wrong with you? STOP DIGGING.
You are why so many of the unwashed mistrust conservatives.
....says the idjit who thinks the government destroying a man's kidneys, without arrest or conviction even, is perfectly okay.
Psychotic, Heal Theyself.
>> There are posts on this thread that aren’t rational and I assume the posters ARE hydrated <<
Hey, now maybe I understand why a few dozen “ABR” FReepers are pumping so hard to re-elect Øbama: They probably are dehydrated!
>> everyone involved in this needs to be fired <<
Agreed, but only after they have been locked in the same cell w/o food, water, light and a toilet for four days each.
You don’t feel outraged because the constitution as written obviously means little to nothing to you...
I am not outraged by Obummer smoking pot. I am outraged by Obama questionable birth, and by his policies.
You evidently are ignorant of due process. We do not imprison and starve/dehydrate without a trial. We treat POW’s better than that.
The responsible parties to this atrocity should be in jail and sued personally in civil court. Fired is not enough. They should be charged with criminal negligence.
A portion of the United States government has been a continuing criminal enterprise from the very beginning. The war on drugs is simply a continuation of that tradition.
It's been a hundred years since the passage of the Harrison Narcotics Act, and drug abuse rate is the same now as it was then.
I accept the reality that nothing ever changes when it comes to corruption, government or otherwise. Just the names and faces.
You have a narrative you want to follow, and nothing else matters.
I’ve taken part of it back. When he goes to jail cuz he has a gun they don’t like, I will cheer, send him taunting letters in prison, and celebrate that another Statist, Constitution-hating bastard got theirs.
>> So when the case gets to the Supreme Court the defence will be lead by Eric Holder? <<
No, by then our buddy Eric will either be:
(a) Prisoner no. 101-234567-89, having been found guilty and imprisoned for contempt of congress, conspiracy to violate federal firearms laws, obstruction of justice and misprison of numerous other felonies; or
(b) Justice Holder, appointed to the SCOTUS by second-term POTUS B. H. Øbama.
Isn't Irony IronicTM?
I'm in agreement that the start of Statism is when the war on drugs ramped up under Reagan. I'm against the WoD.
But if you are going to care about that, WTF is wrong with you that you don't even give a crap about due process or excessive punishment (and in this case, even without a conviction or even an arrest)?
You are all over the map. Are you okay?
Yer not high on crack again, are you?
Oh, c’mon Laz.... tell me how you really feel... :)
Someone had to have known he was in there in the conditions he was left in.
Yup. It’s a stretch to think they couldn’t hear him screaming for help. Sounds more like they left him there without food or water on purpose. Attempted murder?
So, if you were to be locked up in the future and “forgotten” about because you owned an “illegal” (in the eyes of an unconstitutional law, not the Constitution) firearm or had gotten into a minor altercation, would that be acceptable to you?
After all, you’ve already established that you do think it acceptable for a government body to lock up and “forget” about a citizen for several days without due process. Surely you wouldn’t object if it were you.
I am not condoning what was done to him. He deserves money and the DEA personnel responsible deserve to be punished. 20 million is not nearly enough. Maybe 50 million? How about 100 million?
As a matter of fact, the head of the DEA should resign and there should be a congressional investigation of Eric Holder since this all rolls up under his juristiction.
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