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Huge Natural Gas From Methane Hydrates Process Developed
New Energy and Fuel ^ | May 3, 2012

Posted on 05/03/2012 12:51:07 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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1 posted on 05/03/2012 12:51:12 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
OH Just wait until ZERO hears about this.
It will be shut down quicker than Dan Rather can say National Guard. . . .
2 posted on 05/03/2012 12:53:33 PM PDT by DeaconRed (Cold War Veteran. . . . US Army Security Agency 1964-1968- I have now gone pecan.)
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To: Voter#537; TigerLikesRooster; landsbaum; Signalman; NormsRevenge; steelyourfaith; Lancey Howard; ...

The Greenies are gonna get delirious with anger at Obama....for letting this happen.


3 posted on 05/03/2012 12:57:20 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The Global Warming HOAX is about Global Governance)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Now we just need a process to convert methane to butanol


4 posted on 05/03/2012 12:58:28 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: All
Related thread:

With gas from methane hydrates added to shale and natural gas, ....thousand years ...supply?

5 posted on 05/03/2012 1:01:51 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The Global Warming HOAX is about Global Governance)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I’m gonna guess that this will require a new pipeline (and hence the wedge for the greenies)?


6 posted on 05/03/2012 1:03:45 PM PDT by alancarp (Liberals are all for shared pain... until they're included in the pain group.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
a new era in abundant energy to build out a bigger and better world economy.

The environmentalists have a hatred of man call into question the value of economic progress in the first place.

7 posted on 05/03/2012 1:04:32 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: taxcontrol

Better yet, diesel and kerosene.

Proven technology, at least two large (commercial) sized facilities. It is only a matter of economics and regulations, not a theoretical technology.

Shell: world’s biggest gas-to-liquids plant to start soon
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2731066/posts
Jun 7, 2011

That plant is now up and running and shipping tankers to Europe.

http://www.shell.com/home/content/aboutshell/our_strategy/major_projects_2/pearl/


8 posted on 05/03/2012 1:05:15 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: taxcontrol

That needs some explanation....if you could,


9 posted on 05/03/2012 1:06:17 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The Global Warming HOAX is about Global Governance)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Haha like this will fly! The Enviros will find something that lives around there and then say how it will go extinct if we try to mine around there. Just like they said that caribou would die in ANWR because they didn’t think the caribou could walk over a couple feet of dirt mounds to cross over the pipes.


10 posted on 05/03/2012 1:09:09 PM PDT by Marko413
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

U.S. Geological Survey
Marine and Coastal Geology Program
Gas (Methane) Hydrates — A New Frontier

Methane trapped in marine sediments as a hydrate represents such an immense carbon reservoir that it must be considered a dominant factor in estimating unconventional energy resources; the role of methane as a ‘greenhouse’ gas also must be carefully assessed.

Dr. William Dillon,
U.S. Geological Survey

Hydrates store immense amounts of methane, with major implications for energy resources and climate, but the natural controls on hydrates and their impacts on the environment are very poorly understood.
Gas hydrates occur abundantly in nature, both in Arctic regions and in marine sediments. Gas hydrate is a crystalline solid consisting of gas molecules, usually methane, each surrounded by a cage of water molecules. It looks very much like water ice. Methane hydrate is stable in ocean floor sediments at water depths greater than 300 meters, and where it occurs, it is known to cement loose sediments in a surface layer several hundred meters thick.

The worldwide amounts of carbon bound in gas hydrates is conservatively estimated to total twice the amount of carbon to be found in all known fossil fuels on Earth.

...

http://marine.usgs.gov/fact-sheets/gas-hydrates/title.html


11 posted on 05/03/2012 1:11:46 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: thackney

Is there a simple explanation as to why the plant was so expensive?


12 posted on 05/03/2012 1:14:03 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The Global Warming HOAX is about Global Governance)
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To: taxcontrol

It’s technologically feasible to convert Methane into any hydrocarbon. My off the cuff vote would be for 2,2,4 Trimethylpentane, otherwise known as isooctane. Why bother with alcohols? the Oxygen atom decreases their energy storage capacity, and all alcohols are hydrophilic.


13 posted on 05/03/2012 1:15:03 PM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Hold your face to the light, even though for the moment you do not see.)
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To: alancarp

Japan may be where it goes into production...see the text.


14 posted on 05/03/2012 1:15:56 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The Global Warming HOAX is about Global Governance)
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To: theBuckwheat

I have long written that we are almost literally AWASH in hydrocarbons that can be converted into suitable liquid fuels. The ONLY issue was that of total cost.

We do not burn crude oil in our vehicles and aircraft. We burn a technical product that is made, or more properly, constructed, by taking a feedstock of molecules and atoms that are taken apart and reassembled to make the fuel we want. The ONLY issue is the cost of the fuel, for the instant that a new feedstock comes along that is less expensive than the existing one, it will be used.

People who claim “peak oil” are ignorant of economics just as much as the useful idiots who claim there is a shortage of water.


15 posted on 05/03/2012 1:17:18 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Think I’ll bookmark your two last posts regarding natural gas extraction.


16 posted on 05/03/2012 1:19:57 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Forget the electric car (batteries still suck).

Forget the electic/whatever hybrid car.

Bring back the CNG car/truck technology developed decades ago.

Propane is good too.

17 posted on 05/03/2012 1:23:15 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: thackney

Watts wrong with butanol?


18 posted on 05/03/2012 1:24:53 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Is there a simple explanation as to why the plant was so expensive?

Because it is big and complex?

There is a lot to the facility. There are multi-stages to the process. The construction site used 40,000 people and was the size of Central Park. It is one of the world's largest "single" facility.

But given the price of Natural Gas in Qatar, it makes economic sense to spend this much and essentially export very high grade crude (gasoil) versus spending less but still significant capital to export lower value LNG.

Pearl will process about 3 billion barrels-of-oil-equivalent over its lifetime. The return on investment will work. I don't think we will see the lasting return of $20 oil that would make it uneconomic.

19 posted on 05/03/2012 1:25:23 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I should have added. Most likely the mid-east countries such as Saudi Arabia must be wondering how long their fortunes can hold out. OPEC may find itself on the back door looking in.


20 posted on 05/03/2012 1:25:42 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Japan may be where it goes into production...see the text.

Yeah, I saw that... but still... all of this is happening on the North Slope, right? It sounded to me that the Japanese were interested in getting this into production quickly on our soil - and thus would need a delivery means to get the product from there to a port for their boats. I may be misreading it, but that was my interpretation.

21 posted on 05/03/2012 1:32:38 PM PDT by alancarp (Liberals are all for shared pain... until they're included in the pain group.)
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To: taxcontrol
Here's a Possible Method
22 posted on 05/03/2012 1:39:41 PM PDT by doc11355
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To: Marine_Uncle

I really don’t give a damn what happens to them. Let them eat “F”ing sand.


23 posted on 05/03/2012 1:45:37 PM PDT by WellyP (REAL)
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To: Paladin2
Watts wrong with butanol?

While significantly better than ethanol (except in octane rating) I don't see it as good as diesel. Shell's Pearl GTL plant also produces Naphtha with is part of the feedstock to gasoline.

I haven't seen anyone successfully make the economics work for Butanol. Shell's process in now in commercial use at their second facility. I expect we will soon see more of them.

24 posted on 05/03/2012 1:47:38 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

OK,...thanks.


25 posted on 05/03/2012 1:50:21 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The Global Warming HOAX is about Global Governance)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Little bammy will be ordering “Global Methane Hydrates Safety Oversight and Management Committees” within the week.

He will appoint the current Chairperson of the U.S. Government Department of Diversity and Inclusion to manage it due to their strong qualifications in the fields of Community Organizing and memberships in GLBT Office of Affairs, Aztlan, Raza, MEChA and The Communist Party USA.

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26 posted on 05/03/2012 1:50:28 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: alancarp
Alaska is just the test site.

See the map,...Japan has hydrates along it's coast according to the map.

27 posted on 05/03/2012 1:53:11 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The Global Warming HOAX is about Global Governance)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Could this be used on the methane from cow f*rts? haha


28 posted on 05/03/2012 1:57:12 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Oh great - Japan, China, India, Pakistan could all have claims in those areas. What could go wrong?


29 posted on 05/03/2012 2:00:46 PM PDT by alancarp (Liberals are all for shared pain... until they're included in the pain group.)
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To: WellyP

Well they sure have enough silica handy to keep their hunger pangs down to a minimum.


30 posted on 05/03/2012 2:00:59 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
This is not new, it comes up every five years or so.
The methane deposits are also mentioned every now and then when someone claims that a few degrees of global warming will release gigatons of methane from the seafloor and thawing permafrost bogs in Siberia and cause a world wide methane catastrophe.
Of course we can't mine this, some little mollusk could get hurt.
(Farming thousands of acres of algae however is fine).

31 posted on 05/03/2012 2:07:44 PM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I’ve read that there are an estimated 1,000 years supply, based on current demand, of methyl hydrates.


32 posted on 05/03/2012 2:08:16 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Sounds like the biggest issue is finding a large supply of carbon dioxide. Maybe they should scrap up all the tundra and burn it?


33 posted on 05/03/2012 2:23:55 PM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: thackney
Better yet, diesel and kerosene.Proven technology, at least two large (commercial) sized facilities. It is only a matter of economics and regulations, not a theoretical technology.

I love diesels.I'm driving my second one now and will *never* again drive anything else.Thanks to its outstanding fuel economy I firmly believe that diesel can be a big part of the short term solution,maybe even medium term.But if the reports I've read about *our* supply of natural gas are true I think that *it* is the answer...long term.

As you may,or may not,know about half of the passenger cars on the road in Europe today are diesels.In fact I've heard it suggested that Europe and the US have it exactly wrong,given their particular transportation needs...Europe should be driving gasoline cars and we should be driving diesels.Go figure!

34 posted on 05/03/2012 2:37:22 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Unlike Mrs Obama,I've Been Proud Of This Country My *Entire* Life!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

But What about
the Polar Bears!


35 posted on 05/03/2012 3:24:08 PM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period, and by election day you won't like him either.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Time to Chu this and lock it down.


36 posted on 05/03/2012 3:27:54 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

So then......Large domes placed on the floor of the Gulf of Mexico with pipes to the shore, to a methane to Natural Gas facility and viola!!!!!!!!!!!!

It’s simple Jim.........

The amount of methane gassing away at the bottom of the Gulf is enormous.


37 posted on 05/03/2012 4:16:30 PM PDT by Puckster
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38 posted on 05/03/2012 4:21:36 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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39 posted on 05/03/2012 4:52:26 PM PDT by PMAS (ABO 2012)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

pretty incredible,, all that energy just lying around, waiting to be exploited, maybe they’ll find dilithium crystals too if they keep looking.. but then the sierra club and nrdc and epa will sue ‘em to block development. ;-)


40 posted on 05/03/2012 5:02:31 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: Gay State Conservative
For the last 7 years, I've had Diesels at the core of fam energy usage.

I keep 12 months of usage in reserve.

41 posted on 05/03/2012 5:06:11 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

It’s hopeful. It could bring about change. Therefore, it will cause global warming, and must be stopped./s


42 posted on 05/03/2012 5:45:40 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Mine it - use it up, else if the Earth warms enough all that hydrate will convert to gas turning the Earth back into a methane atmosphered planet. Oxyen will then become the new currency ... until the fresh water and food are used up.


43 posted on 05/03/2012 5:48:23 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: dynachrome

Place weighted balloons up their a@#es. When they fart, the balloons fill up. When they defficate, the balloons are pushed out, but retain their content because the weights keep the methane inside. All the farmer has to do is collect the balloons, insert new ones, and wait for a pickup service for the full balloons. Global warming, stopped in its tracks. Farmers making money off of cow farts. Balloons put to good use. What’s not to like about this?


44 posted on 05/03/2012 6:05:38 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Just try to imagine what we could have done if we took all the money we spent on the “green energy” rathole and put it into LNG infrastructure. Grrr.


45 posted on 05/03/2012 6:18:10 PM PDT by denydenydeny (Admiration of absolute government is proportionate to the contempt one has for others.-Tocqueville)
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To: Paladin2

If nothing else, it is an alcohol, and is hydrophilic.


46 posted on 05/03/2012 6:49:03 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: Paladin2

If nothing else, it is an alcohol, and is hydrophilic.


47 posted on 05/03/2012 6:49:29 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: Jack of all Trades

Apparently IsoOctane rocks.


48 posted on 05/03/2012 6:58:49 PM PDT by Paladin2 (liwt neeervNA OF ca)
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To: mjp
The environmentalists have a hatred of man call into question the value of economic progress in the first place.

Hate comes from envy which comes from vanity. The envi-mentalists want at least half of humanity to die off, thereby reducing their painful feelings of envy in half, or so their thinking goes. What doesn't make logical sense is why don't they want the mankind-killing climate apocalypse they tell us is coming? If all they believe is true, they get their wish. They should be rooting for it.

Message to envi-mentalists from the Joneses next door: "Try to keep up!"

49 posted on 05/04/2012 6:28:48 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I thought all you had to do was warm it up and it would de-crystallize into water vapor and methane. Something about weak covalent bonds holding it together...


50 posted on 05/04/2012 6:34:23 AM PDT by djf (Life's a play, we're actors not authors, and nobody even cared to give us the script!)
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