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FAA Scolds Passenger For Using iPad To Shoot Video Of Bird Strike
The Consumerist ^ | 2MAY2012 | Chris Morran

Posted on 05/03/2012 6:45:02 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine

Remember that bird strike in April that forced a Delta flight to make an emergency landing? The actual incident was caught on video by author Grant Cardone, who is now on some FAA "you're a troublemaker" list because he shot that video when his iPad was supposed to be turned off.

Cardone was on CNN this morning to discuss the letter he'd received from the FAA's Supervisory Principal Operations Inspector regarding the incident.

Reads the letter: "Your failure to comply with flight attendant instructions during a critical phase of flight and an aircraft emergency could have affected the safe outcome of the flight... We have given consideration to all of the facts. In lieu of legal enforcement action (a civil penalty), we are issuing this letter which will be made a matter of record for a period of two years, after which, the record will be expunged."

"I don't think I'm above the law or anyone should be," said Cardone. "I've flown over 3 million miles, a million of them with Delta, and to think that a device — a phone or this iPad... to think that any of these devices could take down a plane is ridiculous... "If truly these devices are that dangerous, then the FAA has the responsibility to ban them."

He didn't exactly respond to host Soledad O'Brien's point that, regardless of whether or not phones present a danger to the flight, Cardone did disregard the instructions of the flight attendants. But he did express concern that the FAA letter is overly vague about the implications of having this scolding on file for the next two years

"What I'm concerned about is what watch list am I on... Am I now a terrorist?" Cardone asked. "Am I going to get double-screened? They just need to clarify what the deal is."


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: birdstrike; faa; ipad; troublemaker
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1 posted on 05/03/2012 6:45:12 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Breitbart had his vid up for a while, but they pulled it. Now I know why.


2 posted on 05/03/2012 6:47:33 PM PDT by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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To: Excellence

You think the FAA told Breitbart to pull it?


3 posted on 05/03/2012 6:49:23 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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They just need to clarify what the deal is."

Grab your ankles, chump.

4 posted on 05/03/2012 6:52:39 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Yep, they have video cameras all over the place filming US, but don’t ever, EVER film them. You have been properly warned.


5 posted on 05/03/2012 6:52:39 PM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: Excellence
He didn't exactly respond to host Soledad O'Brien's point that, regardless of whether or not phones present a danger to the flight, Cardone did disregard the instructions of the flight attendants. But he did express concern that the FAA letter is overly vague about the implications of having this scolding on file for the next two years

I travel 45 weeks a year, and there's always one of these a-holes in near proximity to me, who thinks they're above the law simply because they don't believe their device poses a danger.

YOUR OPINION DOESN'T MATTER! FOLLOW THE %/&#@ RULES!!!

6 posted on 05/03/2012 6:55:22 PM PDT by onehipdad (A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.)
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To: onehipdad

If they pose a danger why doesn’t the FAA just ban their use outright?


7 posted on 05/03/2012 6:57:37 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I don’t know, but it was pulled.I wouldn’t be surprized.


8 posted on 05/03/2012 6:57:40 PM PDT by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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To: onehipdad
Enlighten me, please. What danger is posed by a camera used inside a flying aircraft?



Nos genuflectitur ad non princeps sed Princeps Pacem!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

9 posted on 05/03/2012 6:59:54 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
If they pose a danger why doesn’t the FAA just ban their use outright?

According to a friend of mine that is an aerospace engineer the devices are of no danger to the operations of the aircraft. Just a stupid rules to keep the paying passengers in line.

10 posted on 05/03/2012 7:02:06 PM PDT by A_Tradition_Continues (formerly known as Politicalwit ...05/28/98 Class of '98)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

The KING is angry.


11 posted on 05/03/2012 7:02:36 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: Excellence
I truly hope his reply to the FAA was "Do the letters FO mean anything to you"?.
12 posted on 05/03/2012 7:02:39 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: onehipdad
Here is the simple reason there are restrictions below 10k. How many electronic devices are there on the market today? 1000, 10,000? I don't know. When you put electronics on a plane strange things can happen. That threat is low, but the FAA doesn't want to have to test all that equipment so they came up with the 10k rule. It also limits the amount of potential objects flying around the cabin if something bad happens on takeoff or landing.

This threat is really minuscule, but it does exist.

13 posted on 05/03/2012 7:02:55 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: onehipdad

Phones don’t impose any danger in fact the rule of not using them from an aircraft was issued from the FCC!

From altitude the wipe out many cell towers all trying to connect to the strongest signal and being at altitude that phone is the strongest (line of sight) signal to as many as 50 of them.

Everyone that owned an aircraft and had an FCC license for their radios got the notice in the early 80s and that included me.


14 posted on 05/03/2012 7:03:31 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: A_Tradition_Continues

Of course they aren’t dangerous. Think of the logic.

Before bird strike: iPad and other electronics not dangerous are allowed on board and be in use.
After bird strike: Electronics are dangerous and should be shut off!

Will the flight attendants start confiscating them?


15 posted on 05/03/2012 7:05:56 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: onehipdad
But iPads don't have phones. How do they interfere? Well, I guess they are radio devices.
16 posted on 05/03/2012 7:06:10 PM PDT by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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To: onehipdad

Agree 1000%.


17 posted on 05/03/2012 7:06:26 PM PDT by Kirkwood (It's not a lie. It's a composite.)
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To: ConorMacNessa

The problem Conor, is a non compliant citizen.
“Did you really think that we want those laws to be observed?” said Dr. Ferris. “We want them broken. You’d better get it straight that it’s not a bunch of boy scouts you’re up against—then you’ll know that this is not the age for beautiful gestures. We’re after power and we mean it. You fellows were pikers, but we know the real trick, and you’d better get wise to it. There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there it that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted—and you create a nation of lawbreakers—and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the system, Mr. Rearden, that’s the game, and once you understand it, you’ll be much easier to deal with.”


18 posted on 05/03/2012 7:07:22 PM PDT by DariusBane (People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
Or how about CZAR B.O.s: WTF
19 posted on 05/03/2012 7:09:48 PM PDT by leprechaun9
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To: Jack Hydrazine

What about regular video cameras? I have shot scenes from planes with my video camera in the past (prior to 2005) and no one said a word.


20 posted on 05/03/2012 7:09:48 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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