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Piers Morgan Slays Himself in Goldberg Interview
Townhall.com ^ | May 4, 2012 | David Limbaugh

Posted on 05/04/2012 3:28:18 AM PDT by Kaslin

There was a silver lining for Jonah Goldberg in Piers Morgan's ambush interview of him allegedly concerning his new book, "The Tyranny of Cliches." Jonah couldn't have written a better script to illustrate his book's theme.

Someone really should explain to Morgan that when a host invites a guest to discuss the guest's book, the host ought to at least make a good-faith effort to pretend he has the slightest interest in allowing the author to expound on the book's contents -- as opposed to using the author as a prop to indulge the interviewer's own arguments against conservatives and their toxic opinions.

That someone might also inform Morgan that it's a perversion of the Socratic method for an interviewer to badger a guest into admitting the rhetorical premises of the interviewer's opinions rather than lead him through carefully constructed logical arguments to those conclusions -- never allowing the guest fully to answer his questions, never listening to his responses, making every one of his follow-up questions a classic non sequitur and putting words in the guest's mouth for the purpose of constructing and then demolishing various straw men.

The central theme of Jonah's book, which he explained in response to the only germane question Morgan posed in the interview, is that though pretty much everyone is ideological, conservatives are honest about it, and liberals are not. Liberals lie about their own ideological proclivities, mostly to themselves but also to others.

Let me briefly unpack the interview to illustrate precisely how accurate Goldberg is and how, during the interview, Morgan became a personification of the book's theme -- all without having the slightest clue he was doing so.

Early in the interview, Morgan launched into an accusatory tirade about conservatives' unfair criticism of President Obama for his decision to take out Osama bin Laden. As Goldberg pointed out -- in between Morgan's interruptions -- most conservative criticism has been directed not at Obama's decision but at his unpresidential gloating about it after promising he wouldn't "spike the football" and at Obama's ad suggesting that Mitt Romney wouldn't have made a similar decision.

But Morgan seemed hellbent on proving Goldberg's thesis by showing he couldn't get beyond his cliched thinking to deal with the arguments Goldberg was making instead of those he was projecting on to him. Morgan insisted on mischaracterizing Goldberg's beef with Obama's decision as a knee-jerk ideological Republican reaction. (Morgan refused to grasp that the criticism was over the ad.) "I can't understand how any Republican can genuinely criticize (the decision)," pleaded Morgan.

When he finally did belatedly address Goldberg's actual point, Morgan noted that Obama's ad was fair game because Romney would have done the same to Obama had the tables been turned. Goldberg explained that the ad unfairly took Romney's remark out of context because Romney was comparing the importance of capturing a major figurehead (bin Laden) with otherwise successfully prosecuting the overall war on terror. Of course Romney would have given the kill order against bin Laden had he been presented with it.

When Morgan claimed that Romney's earlier statements implied he wouldn't have spent the necessary money to capture bin Laden, Goldberg shot back that it was a relatively cheap operation. Morgan, visibly shellshocked, demanded to know how much Goldberg thought it cost.

After being waterboarded into answering, Jonah ventured a guess of $50 million, after which Morgan spent the next several minutes sputtering indignantly about how a Republican such as Goldberg could think $50 million is pocket change. "Wow, and that's cheap in the Republican world? ... No wonder the country got into the mess it did," said Morgan, the exasperated fiscal hawk. Voila, Goldberg's nuanced argument about Romney's actual position was transmogrified by the ideologically cliched liberal Morgan into some bizarre class-warfare screed.

At one point in the interview, the prey (Goldberg) captured the hunter (Morgan), with Morgan exclaiming, "I'm not batting for Democrats or Republicans," to which Goldberg replied during one of Morgan's rare pauses for oxygen, "If you're not batting for Democrats, it's a wonderful approximation of it." Game, set, match.

You see, Morgan obviously doesn't believe he's displaying a liberal bias. He is, undeniably, lying to himself -- again, vindicating Goldberg's argument.

But Morgan wasn't finished. He said, "No, I like to deal with reality." Goldberg may have been thinking to himself, "Wow, he has no idea how thoroughly he is validating my book." For on Page 14, Goldberg described this very liberal mindset: "They hide their ideological agenda within Trojan Horse cliches and smug assertions that they are simply pragmatists, fact finders, and empiricists who are clearheaded slaves to 'what works.'"

Perhaps Morgan didn't get past Page 13 of the book, but you should; it's a fabulous, trenchant, insightful read, about which I shall have more to say later.


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1 posted on 05/04/2012 3:28:20 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Every time a Brit bombs out in London, we get stuck with them. Go home Piers and take Tina with you!


2 posted on 05/04/2012 3:35:24 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: miss marmelstein
Drop off the other AH Bashir on your way.......Wow what a buffoon that one is
3 posted on 05/04/2012 3:40:42 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: Kaslin

Does anyone like Piers Morgan other than Piers himself?


4 posted on 05/04/2012 3:43:09 AM PDT by almost done by half
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To: t1b8zs

Forgot about him! And Arianna also lived in London before she decided to make our lives miserable.


5 posted on 05/04/2012 3:58:39 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Kaslin
Why do conservatives put up with this type of abusive interview? Why couldn't the guest simply say that the host will not interrupt or over talk the guest's answers or the interview is over, and then walk off, headlines be damned?
6 posted on 05/04/2012 3:59:53 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: almost done by half

Piers. He is named after something that you can fish from and has been “fishing” for relevance all his life. His parents were on tho something I guess.


7 posted on 05/04/2012 4:00:03 AM PDT by mc5cents
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To: Truth29

Jonah’s publisher makes him go on lots of talk shows without regard for his feelings. It’s called PR and is all part of the process of getting the word out. Piers only helped sales of the book with his performance.


8 posted on 05/04/2012 4:17:37 AM PDT by Misterioso (The best things in life are free but it takes money to have them.)
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To: All

The name Piers is just a medieval variant of Peter. Pearce is the working class form. You get the picture.


9 posted on 05/04/2012 4:24:17 AM PDT by Havisham
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To: mc5cents

Piers and John Edwards could both share the same friends list. ;-)


10 posted on 05/04/2012 4:25:14 AM PDT by almost done by half
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To: miss marmelstein
"Arianna also lived in London"

I thought it was Hooterville or Green Acres with Ike.

11 posted on 05/04/2012 4:27:49 AM PDT by almost done by half
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To: Kaslin

I used to think that Goldberg’s written was immature and self-indulgent. He has really developed as a writer over the last ten years.


12 posted on 05/04/2012 4:46:18 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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To: Kaslin

Send more Stuart Varneys; the Brits can keep all the Piers Morganns they find


13 posted on 05/04/2012 4:49:40 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (I like Obamacare because Granny signed the will and I need the cash)
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To: Kaslin
piers morgan, anderson cooper, john king, erin burn-it, wolfie, eye-candy creepy-crawley, dana bash, gloria borger.

One good looking woman in the bunch, anderson cooper but erin ain't bad.

All combined they can't draw flies.

cnn has no audience.

If a tree falls in the forest...

14 posted on 05/04/2012 4:54:16 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages, start today.)
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To: Havisham

Piers Morgan sounds like a dish you would order at a swank hotel.


15 posted on 05/04/2012 5:03:02 AM PDT by AU72
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To: almost done by half

That was Eva not Zsa-Zsa!


16 posted on 05/04/2012 5:04:30 AM PDT by miss marmelstein
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To: Kaslin

morgan is a fascist pig


17 posted on 05/04/2012 5:14:14 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: miss marmelstein

arianna is just a pig


18 posted on 05/04/2012 5:14:47 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: almost done by half

Piers Morgan is so conceited that when he has an orgasm, he probably screams out his own name.


19 posted on 05/04/2012 5:17:19 AM PDT by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what Helen Thomas is to a high fashion model walkway.)
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To: almost done by half

“Zah Zah Huffington” as Rush named her the other day...Love it


20 posted on 05/04/2012 5:27:55 AM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: mkjessup
Piers Morgan = Ultimate Pr*ck or D*ck that can be seen a mile away. Often causes a fast commotion as the general public tries to avoid contact with this person.
21 posted on 05/04/2012 5:29:48 AM PDT by almost done by half
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To: AU72
"Piers Morgan sounds like a dish you would order at a swank hotel"

I thought it was a procedure to sterilize male dogs. ;-)

22 posted on 05/04/2012 5:34:10 AM PDT by almost done by half
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23 posted on 05/04/2012 5:39:04 AM PDT by deoetdoctrinae (Gun-free zones are playgrounds for felons)
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To: Kaslin
as opposed to using the author as a prop to indulge the interviewer's own arguments against conservatives and their toxic opinions.

And I have heard from no fewer than 5 different talk show hosts this week describe Morgan as "part of CNN's moderately aimed night time line up". He is NOT moderately aimed. Let's start calling a Duck a Duck.
24 posted on 05/04/2012 5:42:35 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty (We the People are coming!!)
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To: mkjessup

Which happens to be his partner’s name.


25 posted on 05/04/2012 5:52:43 AM PDT by AloneInMass
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To: Kaslin

When we lived in Kenya we often saw a cartoon posted on a shop wall, showing two men yelling at each other.

The caption?

“Never Argue with a Fool: Sometimes Bystanders Can’t tell the Difference Between You!”


26 posted on 05/04/2012 5:56:19 AM PDT by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: Eagle of Liberty

Let’s start calling a duck a dick.


27 posted on 05/04/2012 6:01:41 AM PDT by JusPasenThru (HEY UNION MEMBER: INVEST IN YOUR OWN DAMN INFRASTRUCTURE FOR A CHANGE!)
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To: Kaslin

I heard him interviewed on NPR a few days ago. It was great. I need to get that book.


28 posted on 05/04/2012 7:17:16 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: almost done by half
Does anyone like Piers Morgan other than Piers himself?

NOPE ;)

Watch the animated British comedy 'Headcases', they always find some new way of killing Piers Morgan in each episode, and the rest of it is quite funny too poking fun at a lot of celebs and world leaders etc.

First episode can be found here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irp2FIsKhB0
29 posted on 05/04/2012 7:45:25 AM PDT by battousai (Conservatives are racist? YES, I hate stupid white liberals.)
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To: battousai

Interesting.


30 posted on 05/04/2012 8:01:29 AM PDT by almost done by half
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To: battousai

Interesting.


31 posted on 05/04/2012 8:01:41 AM PDT by almost done by half
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To: Kaslin
I can not believe this idiot actually denied he is working for the Obama administration. An absurd assertion like that should have elicited uncontrollable laughter from Jonah.
32 posted on 05/04/2012 8:10:07 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: almost done by half
if you just want to cut to the chase, someone has made a clip with only the Piers Morgan bits :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdgqMH9AsDs&feature=related
33 posted on 05/04/2012 8:37:55 AM PDT by battousai (Conservatives are racist? YES, I hate stupid white liberals.)
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To: Kaslin

Only at CNN where a snooty British talent show judge can be regarded as a journalist. Maybe they can add Simon Cowell too.


34 posted on 05/04/2012 8:44:25 AM PDT by Ironfocus (Unseat the Looter-in-Chief)
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To: SaraJohnson

Typical liberal. Dance, deny or lie


35 posted on 05/04/2012 8:46:53 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

That was painful to watch. It was obvious that (1)Morgan hadn’t read the book (2) he was hell-bent on not allowing Goldberg to talk about his book’s premises. Imagine inviting a guest on your show so he can talk about his book, and then doing everything you can to prevent him from talking about it. No wonder Morgan’s show has been rolling down a steep slope since it began.


36 posted on 05/04/2012 10:17:44 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Kaslin
You see, Morgan obviously doesn't believe he's displaying a liberal bias. He is, undeniably, lying to himself -- again, vindicating Goldberg's argument.

Worship of the Holy Mother Welfare State does not necessarily imply a pro-Democrat bias. Some Democrats do not enthusiastically support the Wefare State, either, and are thus considered fair targets for MSM criticism - proving the MSM really is bipartisan. See? :)

37 posted on 05/04/2012 10:32:13 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: almost done by half

Who the hell is this Limey,Piers Morgan ?

Another Failed Socialist Wanker from that Island ?

Piers...Go have another Plate of Spotted Dick.


38 posted on 05/04/2012 5:57:43 PM PDT by LtKerst
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