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Ruling on health care law may affect Medicare [BO Tries to Intimidate SCOTUS]
Boston Globe ^ | 5/4/12 | Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar

Posted on 05/04/2012 4:22:04 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper

... In papers filed with the Supreme Court, administration lawyers have warned of “extraordinary disruption’’ if Medicare is forced to unwind countless transactions that are based on payment changes required by more than 20 separate sections of the Affordable Care Act.

Opponents say the whole law must go. The administration counters that even if it strikes down the insurance mandate, the court should preserve most of the rest of the legislation. That would leave in place its changes to Medicare as well as a major expansion of Medicaid coverage.

(Excerpt) Read more at bostonglobe.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012; health; scotus; thug
The law should never have been implemented until appeals were resolved. Just another example of the sleaze in the executive branch.

I hope a 6-3 or 7-2 SCOTUS majority tells these thugs to pound sand.

1 posted on 05/04/2012 4:22:06 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper
It's not the SCOTUS’s job to worry about consequences of striking bad law when it's unconstitutional. The Rat controlled congress at that time should have never passed the law in the first place.
2 posted on 05/04/2012 4:37:31 AM PDT by tobyhill (Fight Fire With Fire)
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To: SoFloFreeper
The BEST outcome would be when SCOTUS takes the opportunity to Rule that ONLY U.S. Citizens are included in ALL Laws that provide BENEFITS from Taxpayer dollars, IN ALL CASES.

Obamacare being struck down is a perfect opportunity, to tell the Progressives that give-aways for votes from NON-CITIZENS is NOT part of the U.S. Constitution.

However, this would also be applied to Anchor Babies, which will never happen since SCOTUS wrongly allowed that bullshit to occur.

3 posted on 05/04/2012 4:44:19 AM PDT by traditional1 (Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Did any of those Obama-care changes to medicare actually go into effect yet?


4 posted on 05/04/2012 4:48:42 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely try to screw us.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Related, 27 comments.
5 posted on 05/04/2012 5:04:22 AM PDT by upchuck (Need is not an acceptable lifestyle choice; dependent is not a career. ~ Dr. Tim Nerenz)
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To: sickoflibs

I know part of ObamaCare’s funding was to come from cuts to MediCare; basically it was stealing from American senior citizens to provide healthcare to illegal aliens.

I don’t know why there wasn’t more of an uproar from the seniors when this was openly reported by Obama’s media.


6 posted on 05/04/2012 6:05:51 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: SoFloFreeper
administration lawyers have warned of “extraordinary disruption’’ if Medicare is forced to unwind countless transactions that are based on payment changes required by more than 20 separate sections of the Affordable Care Act.

This is exactly the game of Chicken that the administration always counted on going their way. Running Medicare is Obama's job. He knew the law was going to court so if he was so damned concerned with avoiding this outcome he would have administered the program properly in the first place.

This letter to SCOTUS is the government equivalent of writing your parents a letter from school asking for more money because you spent this semester's tuition on hookers and blow.

7 posted on 05/04/2012 6:11:08 AM PDT by Poison Pill (Obama is the hopium of the masses)
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To: SoFloFreeper

If Obamacare is implemented there will be a disruption to Medicare alright. If you are over 65 and poor you will be transferred to Medicaid. Now try and get a doctor to see you. The reimbursement rate to Medicaid is so low there are practically no doctors that will take Medicaid patients. Millions of people will be taken from Medicare and placed in Medicaid which will be a slow death sentence for many. Obama won’t tell you this though. He’s the biggest scam to ever hit America.


8 posted on 05/04/2012 6:31:14 AM PDT by Harley (Will Rogers never met Harry Reid.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Ahhh....I love the smell of desperation in the morning.

Since when does the Government file a motion pertaining to a SCOTUS decision that is already being written? Never in my memory.


9 posted on 05/04/2012 6:31:56 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SoFloFreeper
Just like the Mafia, it's so with the obozo, there are always consequences for those who disagree if he doesn't get his way.
10 posted on 05/04/2012 6:41:58 AM PDT by drypowder
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To: SoFloFreeper

Congress will have to actually do some work setting pririties and writing laws.

They must not allow HHS to handle it through more regulations or 0bammy’s appointee (sebullus?) will continue the socialist agenda

IMHO


11 posted on 05/04/2012 6:44:20 AM PDT by John Galt's cousin (Principled Conservatism NOW! * * * * * * * * * * Repeal the 17th Amendment!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

The White House likely got a leak of the SCOTUS decision from Justice Kagan and knows the court will strike down the law. Now its trying to do damage control and laying blame on the court for taking away your health care and ruining Medicare. It’s the same blame game the Obama White House has as the theme of the 2012 reelection campaign ...Obama tried to create a perfect world but others have stymied his efforts.


12 posted on 05/04/2012 6:45:46 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: SoFloFreeper

Obama- “Nice Medicare policy you have there. It would be a shame if something happened to it.”


13 posted on 05/04/2012 7:28:55 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (Liberalism: Carrying adolescent values and behavior into adult life.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Isn’t the arguments over? What gives?


14 posted on 05/04/2012 7:49:02 AM PDT by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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To: SoFloFreeper
I would think overturning Obamacare would help Medicare since the $ 500,000,000.00 in cuts to fund Obamacare would not be necessary.
15 posted on 05/04/2012 9:14:12 AM PDT by HenpeckedCon (What pi$$es me off the most is that POS commie will get a State Funeral!)
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To: SoFloFreeper
I would think overturning Obamacare would help Medicare since the $ 500,000,000.00 in cuts to fund Obamacare would not be necessary.
16 posted on 05/04/2012 9:14:39 AM PDT by HenpeckedCon (What pi$$es me off the most is that POS commie will get a State Funeral!)
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To: sickoflibs

Some interesting things happened to Medicare already this year. Doctors received an adjustment for services previously paid to them for January - March 2010. One of my mental health doctor clients got a whole bunch of checks - each for $0.71. This had to cost taxpayers a LOT of money to do all of this. We had patients calling wanting their share of the “doctor’s windfall” and had a fit because they didn’t get a check for $0.36.

Then we did have a reduction in allowed rates for 1st quarter this year. Some information I have received indicates that there is another 35% reduction in allowed rates due to occur soon unless Congress does the “doctor fix” again. At this point in time it’s called hide and watch.

I just hope that all those seniors who have Medicare replacement plans they are so thrilled with understand those will end soon and they will be back on standard Medicare, even if Obamacare were allowed to stand. More of our patients who have managed care plans instead of standard Medicaid for mental health benefits are having their managed care plans changed and are being kicked back to standard Medicaid - but most up to 8 months after they were originally seen. It’s a real nightmare in doctor’s offices now - no wonder they are opting out.


17 posted on 05/04/2012 9:17:49 AM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: kearnyirish2; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; Impy; ...
RE :”I know part of ObamaCare’s funding was to come from cuts to MediCare; basically it was stealing from American senior citizens to provide healthcare to illegal aliens.
I don’t know why there wasn’t more of an uproar from the seniors when this was openly reported by Obama’s media.

There was, this was a big part of senior opposition to Obama-care in 2010 and seniors voting Republican that year to boot Dems out.

But it 2011 Republicans neutralized that advantage they had on the issue with the Ryan plan on medicare,which was for deficit reduction with some tax cuts.

One thing that pisses me off to no end is when both parties claim that the medicare ‘trust fund’ will keep medicare fully finded for another 5 to 10 years, when the ‘trust fund’ is simply IOUs from the government to itself which are only redeemed by floating more national debt US treasuries.

In other words medicare went broke during GWB term and SS broke at the start of 2009.

The reason why they lie about the nonexistent trust funds is so they can avoid confronting angry seniors on election day and claim that no-one is effected by reforms.

Today's seniors no more deserve today's medicare benefits than anyone forced to pay medicare taxes now and in the future (to go to those benefits now) do. The ponzi nature of the system doesnt change the morality of it.

It's theft!

18 posted on 05/04/2012 9:51:48 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely try to screw us.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

I might be wrong, but isn’t it illegal to try and influence a sitting judge or in this case influence 9 sitting judges?


19 posted on 05/04/2012 10:32:44 AM PDT by mupcat
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To: sickoflibs

” The reason why they lie about the nonexistent trust funds is so they can avoid confronting angry seniors on election day and claim that no-one is effected by reforms.”

EXACTLY


20 posted on 05/04/2012 11:59:09 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; Gilbo_3

So the BIG LIE allows THEMto take our money our whole working careers and then tell us we are out of luck when the imaginary trust fund runs dry.

Notice that everyone who gets on TV repeats THE BIG LIE!


21 posted on 05/04/2012 12:55:13 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely try to screw us.)
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To: sickoflibs

” Notice that everyone who gets on TV repeats THE BIG LIE!”

YES!

Most Americans have figured out that “trust funds” on this are just an IOU. They just hope for the best......too bad.


22 posted on 05/04/2012 1:24:44 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: sickoflibs; kearnyirish2; DoughtyOne; calcowgirl; Gilbo_3; Impy
There was, this was a big part of senior opposition to Obama-care in 2010 and seniors voting Republican that year to boot Dems out. But it 2011 Republicans neutralized that advantage they had on the issue with the Ryan plan on medicare,which was for deficit reduction with some tax cuts.

At the same time, we are going broke, and I don't know how to fix that without adjusting entitlements. Maybe the GOP should have not produced a budget, and then been more "flexible" after 2012?

23 posted on 05/04/2012 2:04:51 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker
So the BIG LIE allows THEMto take our money our whole working careers and then tell us we are out of luck when the imaginary trust fund runs dry.

sadly, from my first real paycheck 30 yrs ago, i didnt believe that the cash was being 'saved' for me...didnt take but a few yrs to KNOW that it was all smoke and mirrors...

too bad the greatest generation didnt hoist the pirate flag and start slittin throats back in the beginning of it all...

24 posted on 05/04/2012 3:40:15 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; sickoflibs
Maybe the GOP should have not produced a budget, and then been more "flexible" after 2012?

the first time the sinate failed to bother with a budget, the house shouldve simply made it known that no allocations will be made beyond military...

they also couldve refused to spent time considering anything else on the floor w/o a budget, as theres no sense in *cough* legislating anything that cant be paid for...

too bad we didnt have noot greengrinch as speaker the last few yrs...

25 posted on 05/04/2012 3:44:24 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; kearnyirish2; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy
RE :”At the same time, we are going broke, and I don't know how to fix that without adjusting entitlements. Maybe the GOP should have not produced a budget, and then been more “flexible” after 2012?

You mean proposing ‘adjusting’ future entitlements 10 years in the future so that those Republicans proposing it will be safely retired, or voters memory of the act will, before anyone can claim it affected them?

I would have been much more sympathetic if they didn't split the voters into groups by age, the BIG winners and the BIG losers, based on who they need the most, similar to what Dems do.

In 2010 when they were using the Obama-care medicare cuts to their advantage we heard little from them about requiring medicare cuts for the deficit.

26 posted on 05/04/2012 4:33:07 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely try to screw us.)
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To: Gilbo_3

” too bad the greatest generation didnt hoist the pirate flag and start slittin throats back in the beginning of it all... “

it happened slowly.....those are the worst : )


27 posted on 05/04/2012 5:31:52 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: sickoflibs; All

” You mean proposing ‘adjusting’ future entitlements 10 years in the future so that those Republicans proposing it will be safely retired..”

Yeah..


28 posted on 05/04/2012 5:33:19 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: sickoflibs; kearnyirish2; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy; stephenjohnbanker
You mean proposing ‘adjusting’ future entitlements 10 years in the future so that those Republicans proposing it will be safely retired, or voters memory of the act will, before anyone can claim it affected them?

I don't think the budget changes are supposed to wait 10 years before they begin. Here is a chart of Ryan's 2011 budget. Do you have a chart for the 2012 budget? In the chart, Ryan's deficits are purple (yes, the Ryan budget will borrow money, but not as much as the govt. is planning to do). The red bars are what would happen in a perfect world.

You raise some good questions:

1) If the Ryan budget, even if it works as advertised, will not balance the budget, is it worth losing votes to sucklings of the govt. teat (many through their own fault, but not all of them)? Is the best we can hope for a last minute "continuing resolution" that grants Obama only 90% of what he wants? Theoretically, a Ryan (house) bill would wrestle with a Reid (senate) bill, but they don't seem to do that in congress any more. Clinton's vetoes of Newt's bills in the 1990s are the stuff of legend for Dems.

2) Bearing in mind that the Gramm-Rudman bill failed to control spending, is there any hope that congress can behave itself in a 10 year period?

29 posted on 05/04/2012 8:45:14 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Bump that. I really think the Supreme Court will throw it out on the religious freedom grounds.


30 posted on 05/04/2012 8:52:57 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: sickoflibs
I would have been much more sympathetic if they didn't split the voters into groups by age, the BIG winners and the BIG losers, based on who they need the most, similar to what Dems do.

Maybe they should have made it a more gradual change, but "gradual" changes tend to become perverted over time. I don't know any sensible way to do it without making age the main variable.

31 posted on 05/04/2012 8:53:25 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: kearnyirish2

**basically it was stealing from American senior citizens to provide healthcare to illegal aliens.**

I’m chronoligically gifted, and this is the first time I have heard about this.


32 posted on 05/04/2012 8:54:49 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy; stephenjohnbanker

” Bearing in mind that the Gramm-Rudman bill failed to control spending, is there any hope that congress can behave itself in a 10 year period? “

No evidence of it.

I see a total collapse in 5-8 years....after that, who knows? Social Security will be means tested...God knows what else will happen. 20+ trillion debt....ouch


33 posted on 05/04/2012 8:59:34 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; kearnyirish2; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy; stephenjohnbanker
RE :”You mean proposing ‘adjusting’ future entitlements 10 years in the future so that those Republicans proposing it will be safely retired, or voters memory of the act will, before anyone can claim it affected them?
.......
I don't think the budget changes are supposed to wait 10 years before they begin
.”

I was specifically referencing his Medicare reform which was the big one and safely delayed for 10 years.

Medicare is the program that is bringing us down $$$ and Ryan and CO added a 10 year delay as a political trick trick which didn't make it sell anyway,

BTW : I still am paying those Medicare taxes, what for?

34 posted on 05/04/2012 10:01:44 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is a liberal. Just watch him closely try to screw us.)
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To: sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker
BTW : I still am paying those Medicare taxes, what for?

maybe because you choose life, rather than eating multiple federal submachinegun rounds for failure/refusal to comply ???

in reality, is there even a way to refuse to pay it, assuming non self employed ???

35 posted on 05/04/2012 10:15:29 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; Impy; sickoflibs
I see a total collapse in 5-8 years....after that, who knows?


36 posted on 05/04/2012 10:17:19 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Fool me once, shame on you -- twice, shame on me -- 100 times, it's U. S. immigration policy.)
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To: Salvation

I’m not chronologically gifted, and I know when that congressman said “you lie” it turned out he was right - they were lying. There was nothing to prevent illegals from being covered (that was what prompted his outburst).

It was reported by Obama’s media that the funding was to come from mandatory charges to younger healthy people and a huge amount of money (Obama’s media gave the figure) from MediCare.

The first part of the equation is what is before the Supreme Court as we speak; the justices are concerned that the relationship between citizen and country is being changed to the point where the citizen has become an involuntary (enforced) consumer of a product they don’t want.


37 posted on 05/04/2012 11:12:56 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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