Skip to comments.Frank discussion re our loss to Obama/Romney and the future direction of FR and tea party movement
Posted on 05/04/2012 6:31:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
My FRiends, we might as well face the reality that we the combined pro-life conservative movement and tea party coalition have lost this round (the presidential election) in the larger battle to reclaim our constitution and our inalienable rights. Rove, Romney and the GOP-e have successfully destroyed and driven off each and every pro-life conservative tea party candidate from the race and all have surrendered to the Romney camp. It is no secret that Romney is not one of us. There is absolutely no doubt that he has never accomplished a single conservative thing in his entire political career (one term as liberal governor of liberal Massachusetts and six years campaigning for president). In Massachusetts, he undeniably championed abortion, gay rights, global warming, gun control, big government statist mandated/socialized health care programs, liberal judges, TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending, debt limit increases, etc, and even though he's recently claimed a complete reversal in political beliefs and no longer despises pro-life conservatives or the time of Reagan-Bush, I still don't trust him. He still stubbornly holds on to some of his statist beliefs, like global warming, gays in the military, RomneyCare, stimulus spending, etc, so there is no way I can vote for him or join Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Newt or any others who are endorsing him. But I will not act on my prior promises that I would actively campaign against him if he wins the nomination. Our combined movement is already torn and splintered and is going to have to be mended if we're going to have any impact whatsoever against the liberal/progressives and statists after the election. To that end I propose a TRUCE among our conservative forces during the remainder of this election cycle.
We conservatives have already lost the presidency to either the Dems or the GOP-e, and if we tear the tea party apart, if we tear the pro-life movement apart, if we tear FR apart then we lose it all. It's far more important that we re-unite and live to fight another day. Even if we can't vote for a true conservative for the presidency, it's doubly important that we all turn out on election day or sooner and drag our friends, neighbors, relatives, co-workers, etc, to the polls to vote straight conservative for every slot on our ballots. The only way we can win our freedom back is to vote out the liberal progressives and vote in as many liberty loving conservatives as is humanly possible into every elected office at every level of government all across this great land. To prevent a total loss to the dems or GOP-e, we must continue the tea party rebellion into November and beyond. Whatever else you may do, you must turn out and vote straight tea party conservative down ticket!!
We must continue expanding our inroads into the state houses and into every elective office in the land. We must continue building on our majority in the house and we must retake the senate!! We must help the conservative governors and state legislatures to fully restore the ninth and tenth amendments and reclaim the real political power away from the federal usurpers and return it to the states and the people per the constitution!! This way, regardless of who wins the presidency, we can cut his unconstitutional expansionist movements off at the knees. And if any executive, civil officer or judge dares commit impeachable offenses, we must hold the majorities so we can impeach and remove them from office!!
And we must salvage and rebuild and continue strengthening our conservative pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-borders, pro-constitution, pro-small government, pro-defense, pro-liberty movements and our tea party coalition. And we must stop ripping each other apart!!
Therefore I hereby propose a general truce among our conservative forces!!
The Republic we save may be our own!!
As far as FR's finances go, we're in the same boat as the rest of the economy and will have to make do with what we can raise. Fortunately, the big debts we ran up a couple years ago have been paid off. We borrowed approx $20,000 a few years ago from two FReepers to fund our national convention, plus we ran up another $20,000 in legal fees during the last couple of years fighting off Righthaven. But those are now behind us and paid off. We also did quite a bit of traveling each year for the last three years on cross country tea party tours, but I think we can now cut that back and remove it from our budget requirements. If we're fortunate enough to not incur any additional legal costs or equipment costs (other than what we've already planned), and cut the travel and a few other areas, we should be able to tighten our belts enough to weather the storm even if we fail to reach our short term fundraising goals.
Whatever the outcome of the elections, we are prepared to roar into 2013 with the tea party chewing up liberal/progressives and RINOs and raising hell in our never ending fight for liberty!!
We are the resistance!!
Let's take the enemy head-on instead of fighting each other!!
Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!!
I am a county Committee man and you are right.
A true Machiavellian would vote Romney for President and vote for Democrats for Senate/Congress.
Very wise and thoughtful, Jim. We are all in this together and must stand as one. We may not all be able to cast a vote for Romney but we can work hard to get Conservatives into local and state offices.
I was interviewed by NPR yesterday concerning the TEA Party, the GOP, and Gov. Romney. I said many of the things I’ve seen here today. It will air on All Things Considered, 3PM, CST, early next week. Conservatives will put Romney in or they won’t. I am all for keeping Obama OUT!!
>What entities do you expect to exist or come into existence, over the next four years, that will have the power to defeat a sitting Republican president?
We always have the power. What’s happening to Lugar and Hatch right now? Keep the pressure on and people informed. The difference now is that we have a alternative media that is vibrant and growing.
So true. I remember voting for Reagan with gusto. Twice. At 20 and 24 years of age.
"But I will not act on my prior promises that I would actively campaign against him if he wins the nomination... To that end I propose a TRUCE among our conservative forces during the remainder of this election cycle."
We need to get as many Conservative Senators elected this November as possible, and we need to be ready to primary Romney next time around if he wins in November and turns out to be as bad as feared.
Too many Conservatives sat on their hands when Bush went off the rails, fearful of criticizing him because he was a Republican- that can't happen this time. We should make it clear the alternative to a bad Republican president in 2016 is not a Democrat... but a solid Conservative.
I suspect the truce means that, if you decide prior to the morning of November 6 that voting for Romney is prudent, all things considered, that you can stay.
I, too, am glad and pleased by Jim’s words and direction. Mitt Romney was not my choice at all, but......Obama is out to destroy our freedom, liberty, individualism and our magnificent country. Obama must not be re-elected!!! So....this “Barry Goldwater/Ronald Reagan” conservative is casting his vote for Mitt Romney. Hate to say it, again and again, but......ABO = “ANYBODY BUT OBAMA”. It is my fervent hope and prayer, that Freepers will heed the wise sage advice from the astute, pragmatic, strategic, Mr. Jim Robinson. Thanks, Jim!!!
Please give some consideration to Virgil Goode of the Constitution Party. For 2012, he is the conservative left standing. There is still a plethora of down-ticket races featuring good, conservative Republicans who deserve our support.
As for the Presidential ticket... yes, this round is lost to the GOP-e/Dem axis, BUT.. a strong statement could be made to the GOP-e schlubs the conservative movement has other options.
I agree. All independents, moderates, and conservatives should get behind Romney and beat Obama. Get conservative majorities in congress. Then the real work starts. Hold his feet to the fire, deal with the fallout as best we can, then work toward 2016.
Jim - good post. But unlike you, I will hold my nose and vote for Ronmey this fall if he’s the one with the R beside his name, for one reason, and one reason only. And it goes to one of the points you made about why Romeny is no conservative: appointing liberal judges.
I can live with, and I think the nation can survive with the centrist to somewhat liberal judges that Romney would likely appoint (tho’ I would much rather be pleasently surprised.) I know our nation won’t survive four more years of the Marxist appointments that Obimbo has made.
Keep the House, take the Senate and may the conservatives hold Ronmey’s feet to the fire.
I will be interested in the answer to your question, since I am supporting Paul over Romney in the Texas Primary. But I don’t want to get banned like so many others for saying nice things about Paul on FR.
I will vote for Mitt Romney even though I don't like him, because it takes time for a new president to get sufficiently entrenched in the presidency to do a great deal of damage. Obama and his followers have hurt America, and they will do even more now that they have their plans and people in place. I will vote for Romney to get rid of Obama, then to work to get an American who understands and adheres to the Constitution to replace Romney.
Personally IMO, and FReepers certainly may disagree with me, I firmly believe what we have in the Presidency, Senate, House, and Judicial system is proof positive of the beginning of God's judgment on this nation for turning away from Him. This nation is no longer willing to repent, turn away from its increasingly wicked ways, and restore its faith and obedience in the Almighty Creator that gives us our unalienable rights in the first place.
Over the past couple of months my thinking has evolved on how I plan to vote. Firstly, I plan to vote FOR any candidate I believe exhibits true conservative principles. That part never changes. The part that has changed is where there is no conservative candidate to vote for. When you think about it, most every argument is framed in the context of who one plans to vote FOR. Well, from now on, I don't necessarily vote FOR one candidate over another. For the upcoming election and future elections, I've decided I will vote FOR conservative candidates. Where no such candidates exist, I will be casting my vote AGAINST the loathsome candidate that I absolutely refuse to be led by.
Others may see this as simply wordplay and that I'm still voting for the lesser of two evils. That's their opinion. Only I know the real reason I vote the way I do, and I will choose to vote AGAINST the evil that is currently destroying this nation at an increasing pace. May God have mercy on us in this upcoming election, although as a nation we no longer deserve it.
I think people on this forum should stop telling other people how do vote.
As you know, I am voting for Romney but it is none of my business who anyone else votes for. You can vote for Palin or Goode or Obama or even Hugo or Fidel for all I care.
Just one concern -
Does this mean I can’t call Romney a cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-ass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey sh!t anymore?
Our focus should be on the house and senate when it comes to the federal government.
The January after every election cycle we need to:
These should be coordinated projects, not just wish lists.
While the presidency is the golden ring of American politics, we need to remember the power of the presidency can be greatly limited IF the congress is willing to fight like hell and do so.
I am heartbroken over the GOPe’s choice of Romney. I will never vote for him and am leaving the GOP (something I never thought I would do) because they have already left me.
I will be voting against BOTH Romney and Obama by voting for Virgil Goode (not perfect but at least conservative).
Keep on fighting, because we lose no matter who becomes POTUS.
JR, I was a Santorum supporter on these pages, dealt and absorbed some stings. Now we’re left with Romney, don’t tell me about a Constitution Party or Ron Paul, vote for Mitt, don’t ask me to volunteer or contribute, hopefully wait his term out, pressure Senators on appointments and the House on taxes and spending.
The mods were at all times during primary season proper and respectful to all; no truce is needed, JR.
That’s why I like it here.