Frank discussion re our loss to Obama/Romney and the future direction of FR and tea party movement

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[Jim Robinson]

My FRiends, we might as well face the reality that we the combined pro-life conservative movement and tea party coalition have lost this round (the presidential election) in the larger battle to reclaim our constitution and our inalienable rights. Rove, Romney and the GOP-e have successfully destroyed and driven off each and every pro-life conservative tea party candidate from the race and all have surrendered to the Romney camp. It is no secret that Romney is not one of us. There is absolutely no doubt that he has never accomplished a single conservative thing in his entire political career (one term as liberal governor of liberal Massachusetts and six years campaigning for president). In Massachusetts, he undeniably championed abortion, gay rights, global warming, gun control, big government statist mandated/socialized health care programs, liberal judges, TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending, debt limit increases, etc, and even though he's recently claimed a complete reversal in political beliefs and no longer despises pro-life conservatives or the time of Reagan-Bush, I still don't trust him. He still stubbornly holds on to some of his statist beliefs, like global warming, gays in the military, RomneyCare, stimulus spending, etc, so there is no way I can vote for him or join Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Newt or any others who are endorsing him. But I will not act on my prior promises that I would actively campaign against him if he wins the nomination. Our combined movement is already torn and splintered and is going to have to be mended if we're going to have any impact whatsoever against the liberal/progressives and statists after the election. To that end I propose a TRUCE among our conservative forces during the remainder of this election cycle.

We conservatives have already lost the presidency to either the Dems or the GOP-e, and if we tear the tea party apart, if we tear the pro-life movement apart, if we tear FR apart then we lose it all. It's far more important that we re-unite and live to fight another day. Even if we can't vote for a true conservative for the presidency, it's doubly important that we all turn out on election day or sooner and drag our friends, neighbors, relatives, co-workers, etc, to the polls to vote straight conservative for every slot on our ballots. The only way we can win our freedom back is to vote out the liberal progressives and vote in as many liberty loving conservatives as is humanly possible into every elected office at every level of government all across this great land. To prevent a total loss to the dems or GOP-e, we must continue the tea party rebellion into November and beyond. Whatever else you may do, you must turn out and vote straight tea party conservative down ticket!!

We must continue expanding our inroads into the state houses and into every elective office in the land. We must continue building on our majority in the house and we must retake the senate!! We must help the conservative governors and state legislatures to fully restore the ninth and tenth amendments and reclaim the real political power away from the federal usurpers and return it to the states and the people per the constitution!! This way, regardless of who wins the presidency, we can cut his unconstitutional expansionist movements off at the knees. And if any executive, civil officer or judge dares commit impeachable offenses, we must hold the majorities so we can impeach and remove them from office!!

And we must salvage and rebuild and continue strengthening our conservative pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-borders, pro-constitution, pro-small government, pro-defense, pro-liberty movements and our tea party coalition. And we must stop ripping each other apart!!

Therefore I hereby propose a general truce among our conservative forces!!

The Republic we save may be our own!!

As far as FR's finances go, we're in the same boat as the rest of the economy and will have to make do with what we can raise. Fortunately, the big debts we ran up a couple years ago have been paid off. We borrowed approx $20,000 a few years ago from two FReepers to fund our national convention, plus we ran up another $20,000 in legal fees during the last couple of years fighting off Righthaven. But those are now behind us and paid off. We also did quite a bit of traveling each year for the last three years on cross country tea party tours, but I think we can now cut that back and remove it from our budget requirements. If we're fortunate enough to not incur any additional legal costs or equipment costs (other than what we've already planned), and cut the travel and a few other areas, we should be able to tighten our belts enough to weather the storm even if we fail to reach our short term fundraising goals.

Whatever the outcome of the elections, we are prepared to roar into 2013 with the tea party chewing up liberal/progressives and RINOs and raising hell in our never ending fight for liberty!!

We are the resistance!!

Let's take the enemy head-on instead of fighting each other!!

Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!!

[Savage Beast]

BRILLIANT!

[MindBender26]

He could do it, but it’s not the highest and best use of his skills.. Also, get a long-time conservative school administrator, prez, etc to do it. Less flack in MSM.

[Neoliberalnot]

So sad to see so many good people fall into Bo’s divide the opposition, conquer, and divide to win. If BO wins, there will be zero opportunity for conservatives for decades, if not more, to come. Bo will consolidate power, persecute all opponents, use his media to consolidate message control, and outlaw many of his opponents voices and activities. In short, there won’t be another chance for any conservative.

[dfwgator]

Bo will consolidate power, persecute all opponents, use his media to consolidate message control, and outlaw many of his opponents voices and activities. In short, there won’t be another chance for any conservative.

You give Bo way to much credit...that would imply he's actually competent.

[Neoliberalnot]

Really, ask how many college graduates have jobs—none are counted in unemployment figures. Ask how he and a gang of faceless bureacrats jacked our personal healthcare? Check the price of gas and food. Check the loss of an estimated 20% of US wealth. Check the jacking of GM and the theft of bondholders funds for union thugs. Check the smear campaign he uses to undermine the US on the world scene. Where have you been?

[Neoliberalnot]

So sad to see so many good people fall into Bo’s divide the opposition, conquer, and divide to win. If BO wins, there will be zero opportunity for conservatives for decades, if not more, to come. Bo will consolidate power, persecute all opponents, use his media to consolidate message control, and outlaw many of his opponents voices and activities. In short, there won’t be another chance for any conservative or even a rino like romney. Look at the example of Newt—he had a huge bounce, then the relentless smear campaign from Bo’s old media destroyed him. Mark my words, there will be NO SECOND CHANCE. Bo will stack the court and what he can’t get away with by exec decree, he will use judicial tyranny to exact his toll on our kids’ futures.

[Real Cynic No More]

Agamemnon,

I certainly agree with you on this. If Romney would do this, he could actually win with a landslide and have a real mandate. However, I don’t think this will ever happen, since he’s now moving more to the center and away from his false conservatism he espoused during the primary battles.

I think the election results will be close, and if Romney actually wins, he won’t have any kind of mandate and he will govern from the center and follow any which way the wind blows.

I think our only hope is to make Congress more conservative by electing the right conservatives in both houses.

[Magic Fingers]

“Really, ask how many college graduates have jobs—none are counted in unemployment figures. Ask how he and a gang of faceless bureacrats jacked our personal healthcare? Check the price of gas and food. Check the loss of an estimated 20% of US wealth. Check the jacking of GM and the theft of bondholders funds for union thugs. Check the smear campaign he uses to undermine the US on the world scene. Where have you been?”

Exactly. Distaste for Romney, which I understand, makes folks want to think Obama’s incompetent...and at certain things he is. However, he’s been extremely competent at implementing destructive policies and at selecting a group of fellow travelers that continue to help him do so. Those who ridicule concern over another Communist term as “chicken little” thinking are willfully denying the obvious - that he’s very good at his prime objective, for which he’s been groomed his entire life.

[haakondahl]

Fellers, I came up with a strategy doc. Tell me what you all think. http://haakondahl.com/blog/?p=2953
The point is just what Jim said above. Because you can’t defeat Obama by voting “present”.

Hoc Sugit, Hoc Sugit!

[rogue yam]

Like you I thought Romney was better than McCain in 2008 and I still do.

So many anti-Romney FReepers keep using the line about “the lesser of two evils is still evil and I won’t vote for evil.”

All men are flawed. Romney, McCain, GWB, all of us.

There is no line between “evil” and “not evil”. There is only more evil and less evil.

I will vote for the Presidential candidate who I think will be best for America. That candidate is the GOP nominee.

[Finny]

I think most folks would also agree that #1 is the lesser of the two evils.

I think human nature and history illustrate that #1's moment would be so fleeting before its enforcers began adapting the approach of #2, that any remembrance of "lesser evil" rationalizing peoples' so-called "forced" support of #1 in desperation to avoid #2, would prompt manic, hysterical laughter, as it should.

Fear is being used to bully and terrorize people into going against their better judgment and common sense, which has been telling the majority of Republicans since 2007 that Romney is a poison lemon, bad news. When people surrender their better judgment to fear and desperation, disaster usually results. I PRAY that American conservatives and American Republicans all heed their better judgement, reject Romney, and face the fight ahead with minds, hearts, souls, and feet firmly planted in courage founded in the steadfast strength and promise of COMMON SENSE.

[Finny]

Newt lost because Romney pointed out that he was against capitalism ...

... which was a lying, deceitful tactic, as Newt is obviously PRO capitalism. Romney is bad news, FRiend. He is ruthless, deceitful, and arrogant. As illustrated above, and YOU and RUSH dove right into it with lust, loving the chance to block your ears to what Newt was really saying about Romney's crap-"capitalism" at Bain and chortling like flocked hens about how Newt was "anti-capitalist."

Romney EATS people like you and Rush and you don't even know it because you're enjoying yourselves too much "attacking" a non-enemy.

[In Maryland]

With all due respect, I think this cabinet lineup would assure Romney's defeat. Palin, Coulter, Cheney and a few others are favorite targets of the MSM. In Cheney's case the ability to capitalize on his "Darth Vader" image and make him frightening as the CIA Director could be devastating. Whether Romney should give private assurances to conservative leaders is another matter - I have no problem with exacting every conservative appointment possible as a price for support. But that is my opinion and is mainly based on election tactics (although I don't think Coulter or Levin are remotely qualified for the Court (is Borkh too old at this point?) Let the Dems attack him and lets allow the public to compare his opinions to those written by Kagan and Sotomayor. Is there another Scalia on the horizon?

Meantime, we need to try to force the election to be about Obama's record - cause there ain't no there, there.

[Agamemnon]

I think this cabinet lineup would assure Romney's defeat. Palin, Coulter, Cheney and a few others are favorite targets of the MSM.

You are missing the point completely.

The MSM will do what they do anyway. Instead of allowing the MSM the ability to focus on and besmirch one target, let them spin their wheels and waste their resources on trying to do so to 15+ targets.

The only reason any of the elections since at least the 1986 congressionals were lost to liberals and with them control of congress, or when the Presidency was lost to (D)'s isn't because there were no conservatives there to vote.

We outnumber libs 2 to 1.

The problem was this: There were not enough conservatives motivated to get out to the polls to vote.

It is all about vote motivation on our size and depressing the voter motivation on their side.

Very simple. The concept is no more difficult than this: "We win, they lose" (R. Reagan).

It's like fighting the Soviets back during the Cold War:

Don't surrender to the MSM more power than they actually have.

Don't allow the power you perceive them to have to depress or discourage you.

Discourage THEM, Mock THEM, Destroy THEM

Claim the power you already have and go for their throat asymetrically.

FReegards!

[Agamemnon]

I can’t remember if it was Rush or Jay Severin but someone said that Bolton would be Romney’s Sec of State. I don’t know the source of the comment.

Well, if it was Rush he might have got that idea from me since I sent this same posting to him and to Hannity separately several weeks ago.

Not taking credit at all. Just sayin'. If either of them mention these names for these slots as I have, you might have more certainty as to where they got the idea from.

FReegards!

[TexasCajun]

Ann Coulter is still on Double-Secret Probation.

Suggest Mark Levin.

[Agamemnon]

Ann Coulter is still on Double-Secret Probation. Suggest Mark Levin.

Mark is the 1st choice I proposed in my posting. I'd actually make David Limbaugh my second and then Ann Coulter 3rd choice for USSC.

Once the investigation into Obama gets going and quickly concludes, all he ever signed or appointed is without any merit or force-in-law; I see Kagan and Sotomeyor's seats vacated immediately, and Ginsberg rolling over with age related dementia or something.

Iamgine the possibilites ....

FReegards!

[In Maryland]

Actually, I think the number one thing we should be pushing for in the future is SATURDAY elections.

I perceive our turnout problem is the fact that we conservatives tend to have JOBS; many run their own businesses and the hours are long. The leeches just have to stroll down the block to vote to keep the gravy train rolling.

Vote on a day when more conservatives have free time and more leeches are hung over, and we wouldn't need to worry about the rest!

[itsahoot]

There will be no 2016 election. And it matters not who wins in 2012.

Something I have sad since November of 08. We are now in the bargaining stage of the destruction of the Constitution, and the GOPe is at the front of the pack.

[neverdem]

I hope the sign doesn't offend you, but ABO!.

The Dohrn Connection, it's like they're giving America the middle finger.

Rumors about low turnout could well be true. When I voted for Newt in the NY primary, I was the only voter at the poll at that time, about 5 PM in Riverdale, a Bronx neighborhood.

Take heart! The Tea Party movement helped to knock off three members of Democratic Socialists of America/Congressional Progressive Caucus in 2010.

Hat tip to LucyT. It's near the end of comment# 30 on that thread. I would have thought that those moonbats were in safe seats.