Frank discussion re our loss to Obama/Romney and the future direction of FR and tea party movement

My FRiends, we might as well face the reality that we the combined pro-life conservative movement and tea party coalition have lost this round (the presidential election) in the larger battle to reclaim our constitution and our inalienable rights. Rove, Romney and the GOP-e have successfully destroyed and driven off each and every pro-life conservative tea party candidate from the race and all have surrendered to the Romney camp. It is no secret that Romney is not one of us. There is absolutely no doubt that he has never accomplished a single conservative thing in his entire political career (one term as liberal governor of liberal Massachusetts and six years campaigning for president). In Massachusetts, he undeniably championed abortion, gay rights, global warming, gun control, big government statist mandated/socialized health care programs, liberal judges, TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending, debt limit increases, etc, and even though he's recently claimed a complete reversal in political beliefs and no longer despises pro-life conservatives or the time of Reagan-Bush, I still don't trust him. He still stubbornly holds on to some of his statist beliefs, like global warming, gays in the military, RomneyCare, stimulus spending, etc, so there is no way I can vote for him or join Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Newt or any others who are endorsing him. But I will not act on my prior promises that I would actively campaign against him if he wins the nomination. Our combined movement is already torn and splintered and is going to have to be mended if we're going to have any impact whatsoever against the liberal/progressives and statists after the election. To that end I propose a TRUCE among our conservative forces during the remainder of this election cycle.

We conservatives have already lost the presidency to either the Dems or the GOP-e, and if we tear the tea party apart, if we tear the pro-life movement apart, if we tear FR apart then we lose it all. It's far more important that we re-unite and live to fight another day. Even if we can't vote for a true conservative for the presidency, it's doubly important that we all turn out on election day or sooner and drag our friends, neighbors, relatives, co-workers, etc, to the polls to vote straight conservative for every slot on our ballots. The only way we can win our freedom back is to vote out the liberal progressives and vote in as many liberty loving conservatives as is humanly possible into every elected office at every level of government all across this great land. To prevent a total loss to the dems or GOP-e, we must continue the tea party rebellion into November and beyond. Whatever else you may do, you must turn out and vote straight tea party conservative down ticket!!

We must continue expanding our inroads into the state houses and into every elective office in the land. We must continue building on our majority in the house and we must retake the senate!! We must help the conservative governors and state legislatures to fully restore the ninth and tenth amendments and reclaim the real political power away from the federal usurpers and return it to the states and the people per the constitution!! This way, regardless of who wins the presidency, we can cut his unconstitutional expansionist movements off at the knees. And if any executive, civil officer or judge dares commit impeachable offenses, we must hold the majorities so we can impeach and remove them from office!!

And we must salvage and rebuild and continue strengthening our conservative pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-borders, pro-constitution, pro-small government, pro-defense, pro-liberty movements and our tea party coalition. And we must stop ripping each other apart!!

As far as FR's finances go, we're in the same boat as the rest of the economy and will have to make do with what we can raise. Fortunately, the big debts we ran up a couple years ago have been paid off. We borrowed approx $20,000 a few years ago from two FReepers to fund our national convention, plus we ran up another $20,000 in legal fees during the last couple of years fighting off Righthaven. But those are now behind us and paid off. We also did quite a bit of traveling each year for the last three years on cross country tea party tours, but I think we can now cut that back and remove it from our budget requirements. If we're fortunate enough to not incur any additional legal costs or equipment costs (other than what we've already planned), and cut the travel and a few other areas, we should be able to tighten our belts enough to weather the storm even if we fail to reach our short term fundraising goals.

Whatever the outcome of the elections, we are prepared to roar into 2013 with the tea party chewing up liberal/progressives and RINOs and raising hell in our never ending fight for liberty!!

No poll, just look at the primaries. He only wins by splitting the other two.

And once again, your ENTIRE POST was all about what Obama might do, and why you think he could do it. NOT ONE BIT was about Romney and the consequences of his getting in office.

Most important of all is LIFE'S LESSON which is this: throughout life, in any circumstance, when you make a choice against your better judgment but do it anyway out of pure dread, fear, and panic, it almost always ends up being a mistake.

I'm scared plenty of Obama, believe me. I also KNOW DARNED WELL that Romney is as inclined toward liberal activist judges as Obama. I know the SJC is about the biggest boogie-man card being used to browbeat, bully, and scare people into voting for a FULL BLOWN BIG GOVERNMENT STATIST tyrant Romney for Fear of Omnipotent Obama.

It's a risk either way. Obama is plenty scary -- but in case you haven't looked -- and apparently a lot of people haven't -- Romney is JUST AS SCARY but what makes him more dangerous in the long run is that Romney is a Republican, and if he wins, he would certainly make liberalism more powerful in BOTH parties. If Obama won, especially if he won by such a plurality in the 34-40 percent range, that 60 to 66 percent of the total vote was against him, it would guaranteed make liberalism WEAKER in both parties and would make STRONGER any and all opposition to Obama's attempts to make himself Ruler. THINK IT THROUGH and please ask yourself if your fear of Obama hasn't reached a point of hysteria.

Please pay attention to what is already our reality:

"Obama won, especially if he won by such a plurality in the 34-40 percent range, that 60 to 66 percent of the total vote was against him, it would guaranteed make liberalism WEAKER in both parties"

He's already ruling by fiat despite his presumed support from RINOs and congressional dems.
He continues to appoint minions to critical, unfettered, positions from which they rule by "procedures", "priorities", and personal opinions that often directly oppose both law and the constitution.
He has the full support of the media and a pot load of special interests, including "labor" unions going out in force (and paid for it) to intimidate any opposition.
...It's a long list.

But you think that he'd stop all that if elected by a slim margin because you convinced enough people to throw a protest vote to Ron Paul or some other "pure" candidate??

First of all, "some other 'pure' candidate" my ass -- Romney is "impure" on THE FIVE MAJOR ISSUES LIBERALS HAVE BEEN PUSHING FOR DECADES.

"Purity" -- you are already so far behind out of the starting gate that it's pathetic if you even think my problem with Romney is because I'm being a "purist." YOU would vote for Hillary Clinton if she switched to Republican and call me a "purist" for refusing to join you. THINK, for heaven's sake!!!

If Obama is able to "rule by fiat" to the degree you believe, then why are we even having the 2012 elections? Why doesn't he just wave his magic fiat wand and take care of it now? What is stopping him? And why did we have the 2010 mid-terms -- plenty here were saying we wouldn't have them, just as a whole lotta people thought that if Clinton got a second term, it would be the end of America.

That's not to say that Obama isn't damned dangerous, very scary, and out to kill America. HE IS. But when elected politicians fear for their skins in terms of being re-elected -- and they WOULD if they saw the majority of American voters reject liberalsm in both Democrats AND Republicans -- then they fight instead of roll over, the way you're rolling over in pure, pissing-down-the-leg fear.

And your "cure" is as bad as the ailment. Voting for Romney is as stupid as voting for Obama. The ONLY reason you're willing to vote for him is because you're scared and panicked. That is a VERY STUPID REASON to vote for an authoritarian Republican statist you'd never vote for in a million years otherwise.

It seems like what we have here is not just the “ can’t see the forest for the trees” but in fact “the trees for the bark” (aka “barking”). You appear to have your nose so close to the bark of one specific tree, (ie Romney is a less than ideal pubbie candidate), that you can’t even see all of the tree your nose is up against, let alone the entire forest.

I’ve had the pleasure of having lived in a “utopian” society created by commie/socialist idiots/tyrants, have you?

It is NOT hysteria which causes me to so thoroughly fear the results of another four years of the OB team - it is experience based factual knowledge of why EVERY SINGLE such attempt at providing “utopia” to the masses has failed and will ALWAYS, in the end fail.

Try standing in line for four or five hours for a single bucket of coal to heat an entire apartment with for a week or more, then tell me again that I shouldn’t be worried about the OB plan for America’s utopian future.

Your admission that the 60% is bogus relative to what will ACTUALLY happen in November says a lot about your seemingly well thought out statements that are little more than a thinly veiled attack on Romney. You have a right to dislike him, but why fog your positions with such Democratic Machine/Lamestream Press drivel?

I’m more concerned about some basic issues with Romney, relative to November, that don’t necessarily bother me, personally. Will enough voters be able to look past the Mormon issue to defeat OB? Can the same be said about his image as a corporate raider, viewed as a guy who went around busting up companies and sacrificing the American Worker while doing so? Will he be viewed by too many as a “spoiled rich kid”, grown up to be a “selfish capitalistic blood sucker”?

Can you provide us with ONE single quote from Romney about “... fundamentally changing America ...”? All I’ve heard is a desire to bring back the historical set of attitudes and beliefs that made this country the number one destination in the world for oppressed, but ambitious people. I haven’t heard him propose changes to make it easier for the lazy, shiftless, entitled takers to prosper here, have you?

It’s your choice to equate these two candidates, but in my common sense view, their is NO COMPARISON WHATSOEVER.

One is an complete unknown of suspicious origins and accomplishments, splashed on the scene by a well oiled organized group bent on the destruction of this country. He is a self proclaimed socialist if not commie or closet muzzie who has NEVER held a REAL job in his entire adult life, and who has DEMONSTRABLY done more damage to this nation, (and by extension the ENTIRE world) than ALL the elected officials that preceded him.

The other candidate is a well known, well established family man who espouses the mainstream characteristics of this country and has been an active businessman for decades.

A “protest vote” is is a fine and noble thing, in moderate circumstances. BUT, when the future of life as we have known it is in the balance, (all studies show we are nearing the tipping point for there being more taking voters than producing voters), we CANNOT afford “protest” votes from producers.

Each and EVERY vote is critical - remember how few votes were at stake in the Gore/Bush election. (I won’t even address the voter fraud issue and which group, takers or producers have the most bogus voters in their camp.)

Using common sense, it’s a slam dunk decision, at least for me.

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