Skip to comments.Frank discussion re our loss to Obama/Romney and the future direction of FR and tea party movement
Posted on 05/04/2012 6:31:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
My FRiends, we might as well face the reality that we the combined pro-life conservative movement and tea party coalition have lost this round (the presidential election) in the larger battle to reclaim our constitution and our inalienable rights. Rove, Romney and the GOP-e have successfully destroyed and driven off each and every pro-life conservative tea party candidate from the race and all have surrendered to the Romney camp. It is no secret that Romney is not one of us. There is absolutely no doubt that he has never accomplished a single conservative thing in his entire political career (one term as liberal governor of liberal Massachusetts and six years campaigning for president). In Massachusetts, he undeniably championed abortion, gay rights, global warming, gun control, big government statist mandated/socialized health care programs, liberal judges, TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending, debt limit increases, etc, and even though he's recently claimed a complete reversal in political beliefs and no longer despises pro-life conservatives or the time of Reagan-Bush, I still don't trust him. He still stubbornly holds on to some of his statist beliefs, like global warming, gays in the military, RomneyCare, stimulus spending, etc, so there is no way I can vote for him or join Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Newt or any others who are endorsing him. But I will not act on my prior promises that I would actively campaign against him if he wins the nomination. Our combined movement is already torn and splintered and is going to have to be mended if we're going to have any impact whatsoever against the liberal/progressives and statists after the election. To that end I propose a TRUCE among our conservative forces during the remainder of this election cycle.
We conservatives have already lost the presidency to either the Dems or the GOP-e, and if we tear the tea party apart, if we tear the pro-life movement apart, if we tear FR apart then we lose it all. It's far more important that we re-unite and live to fight another day. Even if we can't vote for a true conservative for the presidency, it's doubly important that we all turn out on election day or sooner and drag our friends, neighbors, relatives, co-workers, etc, to the polls to vote straight conservative for every slot on our ballots. The only way we can win our freedom back is to vote out the liberal progressives and vote in as many liberty loving conservatives as is humanly possible into every elected office at every level of government all across this great land. To prevent a total loss to the dems or GOP-e, we must continue the tea party rebellion into November and beyond. Whatever else you may do, you must turn out and vote straight tea party conservative down ticket!!
We must continue expanding our inroads into the state houses and into every elective office in the land. We must continue building on our majority in the house and we must retake the senate!! We must help the conservative governors and state legislatures to fully restore the ninth and tenth amendments and reclaim the real political power away from the federal usurpers and return it to the states and the people per the constitution!! This way, regardless of who wins the presidency, we can cut his unconstitutional expansionist movements off at the knees. And if any executive, civil officer or judge dares commit impeachable offenses, we must hold the majorities so we can impeach and remove them from office!!
And we must salvage and rebuild and continue strengthening our conservative pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-borders, pro-constitution, pro-small government, pro-defense, pro-liberty movements and our tea party coalition. And we must stop ripping each other apart!!
Therefore I hereby propose a general truce among our conservative forces!!
The Republic we save may be our own!!
As far as FR's finances go, we're in the same boat as the rest of the economy and will have to make do with what we can raise. Fortunately, the big debts we ran up a couple years ago have been paid off. We borrowed approx $20,000 a few years ago from two FReepers to fund our national convention, plus we ran up another $20,000 in legal fees during the last couple of years fighting off Righthaven. But those are now behind us and paid off. We also did quite a bit of traveling each year for the last three years on cross country tea party tours, but I think we can now cut that back and remove it from our budget requirements. If we're fortunate enough to not incur any additional legal costs or equipment costs (other than what we've already planned), and cut the travel and a few other areas, we should be able to tighten our belts enough to weather the storm even if we fail to reach our short term fundraising goals.
Whatever the outcome of the elections, we are prepared to roar into 2013 with the tea party chewing up liberal/progressives and RINOs and raising hell in our never ending fight for liberty!!
We are the resistance!!
Let's take the enemy head-on instead of fighting each other!!
Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!!
I will make all effort to stop bashing Romney and I hope that his supporters will likewise abide by the truce and refrain from bashing Conservatives, even if they are 3rd party.
Yes, you cannot call Romney that any more...
You have to replace “sack” with “bag”...
Then you may use the term...
My focus is on getting my small farm productive. The political stuff is but a side show for me. The parties are too similar no for me to care much who controls what.
The analogy I use over and over: It is like holding an election for the crew of the titanic after the water has consumed the C deck. I’m focused on finding nails to use to help me turn a few deck chairs into a life boat for me and my family. That’s what matters at this point.
Yes, you cannot call Romney that any more...
You have to replace “sack” with “bag”...
Then you may use the term...
Faites le plein de la brioche. Obama pourrait être réélu.
Jim - I used to be much more active here on FR, “back in the day”..in the Clinton years..late 90’s, etc. In recent years, though, I’ve been a lurker. I wanted to come out of “lurkerdom”, though, to respond to your post.
Well said!!! Your post stirred quite a bit of emotion in me, and truthfully, I teared up a bit. I love my country so much, and am so worried about the direction it is going. Especially now, since my husband and I have been blessed with our first grandchild - only 8 weeks old...I look at him and try to envision what the future holds for him.
Anyway - just wanted to chime in and thank you for the moving post you wrote.
God Bless you and thank you for ALL YOU HAVE DONE!!! May God Bless America.
Thank you! This has inspired me to send 100.00 donation today.
I think it means that I can post that I’m voting for Romney, against Obama without being banned!
Dear Mr. APatientMan:
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It has come to our attention that you have compared politician Mitt Romney to my clients.
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That was an outstanding post, imho !
I refuse to vote for a Ted Kennedy socialist liberal hack regardless of what letter is behind their name.
I'm a conservative and will not fold my hand at the behest of self promoting liberal hacks willing to destroy the republic just for their own personal gain.
Mitt Romney will not get my vote just as 0bama will not get my vote.
Conviction will save our Republic, not a political party.
I’m probably going to hold my nose and vote for Romney. Not to win the presidency but to at least have a chance at preserving the supreme court. I will vote the most conservative candidate in every race. Hopefully we will get enough conservatives in congress to keep Romney on a very tight leash
I propose our action plan for the next four years is to close our primaries. Allowing dems and independents to vote in primaries has been a disaster!
“Come to Jesus” moment! Heads up!
“Come to Jesus” moment! Heads up!
I don’t think I have seen a single freeper that selected Romney as their first choice. I am a Newt Supporter, but to answer your question, let me make further comparisons between Romney and the Kenyan by asking you to consider the following questions: Which candidate has a deep-seated visceral hatred for America? Which candidate has a similar hatred for White Americans? Which candidate is not just a supporter of “gays”, but has exhibited such deviant behavior? Which candidate is a closet Muslim? Which candidate supports Muslim operations around the world? Which candidate has a spouse that shares the same hatred? Which candidate most hates free enterprise? Which candidate has actually earned much of his way to the top of his field and which has had everything delivered in his lap because of the race? Which candidate allies himself with marxist pigs, known terrorists, and open racists? And finally, and most importantly, which candidate has a corrupt old media on his side and has a well-planned plot to divide his opposition by making sure his opponents split their ticket, thereby assuring his second term? I will not fall for this demRAT-trap.
Get real, If Romney wins, he gets the 2016 nomination.
two choices, vote Romney and no chance for a conservative until 2020, and that’s only if Romney has not destroyed the GOP brand by then like Bush did.
Or vote Obama and straight conservative downticket, and get a chance for a real conservative in 2016.
I know what I’m doing.
Also Jim, this truce is BS. You’re caving to the Romney clan just like all the rest of them. Name and fight the enemy whether they are in your house or not.
Sounds like it, I am still waiting to hear, since Ron Paul is still in the race and Paul is not Romney, if I can post support for Paul without getting banned. My gut feeling is I'd better not try it. lol.
I’m not going anywhere...
I prefer TEA over Koolaid anyday.
That is correct, sugarcoating isn't aloud!
I then was further shocked seeing threads where it was okay for Newt Gingrich to endorse Romney but not Mrs. Bachmann.I also saw you ACTUALLY ACCEPT money in the FReeperthon thread from a dying man without a job.Please take the time to explain this or I will be forced to assume you are a lowlife if you don't.There may be a story behind it,I hope.But it sure doesn't look good.Please give that man his money back now! Have you lost your mind,Mister Robinson?
I bing searched Newt,Bachmann,Perry supporting Mitt Romney news articles and found threads from free republic that I thought were from daily kos.I know from reading an old bio a long time ago,that you are a former democrat.I ask: who could support Obama I mean really!? Did you get so disgusted with the GOP you are a democrat now?Am I posting on a democratic forum? WHAT IS GOING ON?Please kindly explain. Thank-You!
Why is it you are speaking for the tea party?The tea party is a big tent with people that are not as diehard as you with social issues.Upon further reading of threads why haven't you ceased the bigotry and mormon hating threads and the nasty posts running people off posted by the very people that help you in the FReeperthon threads?You need to reign in the group of hate that control this forum.ONE presently has no screen name and the others are just as nasty.
If this post is deleted or you do not reply to me; it will answer all my questions immediately and I will assume you have gone back to being democrat as only democrats act wishy washy and support Obama.You know darn well if you don't vote for Romney and encourage others not too and continue allowing other conservative candidates to be trashed on your forum; you are electing Obama.
I believe you're right. Our last Civil War didn't prevent national elections; this one will because of the utter chaos in the Democrat-controlled cities will prevent it.
Thank you, Jim.
Symbolically - and, perhaps one day soon, literally -we all crouch shoulder to shoulder in the same foxhole on the front lines, facing the same enemy: Our ideas about tactics differ, but I’d like at least to think that I fight at the side of folks who knew I was on their side all along.
I thank you very much for your offer, and accept the truce. God bless you, and bless us all, and bless our United States.
I’m a Yankee and I’m not even half of those things. Didn’t know my Ex had moved south.
Yes, agreed. Romney has too much chameleon in him, but that may work to our advantage. There's more of us (R's) than them (D's). Jim R would disagree, but Romney's performance in Massachusetts may be misleading, given the liberal environment in which he was forced to swim.
Since Rick and Newt's concessions, I've sensed a boldness in Romney. No doubt he's ready to pounce on our problems and will act decisively. I expect a freeze on hiring on day one, for example. Shrink the gubmint by attrition if not by wholesale dept. closings/consolidations. After all, that is his wheelhouse. Economy is his strength. He seems committed to reducing taxes, opening up oil and gas which will ignite the pent up economy. It will roar.
Socially, I have a hard time believing Romney -- a squeaky clean Mormon must I remind you--will move left, while the majority of the country is center right and moving right. In short, I hope and believe he'll be comfortable in a conservative environment, rather than stuck in a liberal cesspool like Massachusetts. He's already indicated he's willing to take on Obama, much more so than McCain ever thought of doing.
The real tugging will occur within the R's. If we can't tug him to the right as far as we like, we'll grow the T-Party even more until we can't be denied. Repeat; Romney will bend to pressure.
Sounds like a plan. Resist we much!
Your problem, and cross to bear.
We have to work together. My plan is not to talk to sellout Rombots at all..in fact, treat them like the Westboro "God loves dead soldiers" morons and just turn my back on them, all I work on more important things. The Rombots are now dead to me....
Now, on to victory in November!
Anybody But Obama!
Your post is not constructive, nor helpful.
It’s not all about you.
Make a donation to the Freepathon (link’s at the homepage) then sit back and watch for a while, m’kay?
FR is not the enemy.
And please don’t insult Mr. Thompson. You insult Mr. Thompson, you insult all FReepers.
No need for any truce if they're actually conservative.
If they're not actually conservative, in other words if they're Romney Republicans, a truce amounts to a cessation of hostilities, which means they've won.
In some states you have to be careful about ‘write in’ voting.
I was told by a poll worker ( the one handing out ballots ) that if you ‘wrote-in’ anyone that didn't register in advance as a ‘write-in candidate, it was a spoiled ballot and wouldn't be counted.
That protest ‘Donald Duck’ vote would cause your entire ballot to never be counted. That could void all your down ticket votes.
If in doubt of your state law/rules on write-in voting, leave that slot blank.
An under vote won't spoil a ballot.
The Rombots are now dead to me.... clarification , (not literally)..meaning, I will not acknowledge them....will not support them..will not even look at them..period. My back is all they will ever see..or ever deserve.
I agree with every word you say. I am so tired and disgusted with the GOP elites and their faux conservatism.
BUT I will vote for ANYone to get Obama OUT. To sit home and not vote in revolt would give the election to the liberal progressive traitors.
It kills me to hear so many conservatives who will refuse to vote since its Romney. Well for goodness sakes....vote AGAINST Obama by at least casting a vote for Romney.
We MUST do this or we will be so far into a socialist form of government from another 4 years of what we have now, it will be impossible to bring the nation back.
Bottom line is that Obama is killing us. He will have unfettered power once he gets another 4 yrs without the worry of re election. I'm relieved that you have had to look more closely at the realistic bottom line.
Romney 2012. (it makes me queasy but this is all we got)
I love this site and will help out with the financial bottom line as much as possible through a donation. You have given us a forum for true conservatives, I appreciate that more than you know.
Well, you are still here and it’s been a few minutes.
I’m now thinking that the old FR is back, big time!
More like the pro-Romeney people stop accusing those of us who refuse to vote for Romney of being Democrat plats, liberals, and stupid.
You ask a lot of questions. Highly sensitive questions. Stupid ones too.
“Did you get so disgusted with the GOP you are a democrat now?Am I posting on a democratic forum? WHAT IS GOING ON?Please kindly explain. Thank-You!”
Why are you asking these questions? Why don’t you know what’s going on?
Ahh. I see. You answered my questions with the first words you FReeped...
“I just signed in for the first time in awhile...”
Look noobie. Try to keep up with things and avoid making zot-worthy remarks. Read more - learn more....
The Tea Party will never succeed unless it starts by winning at the local or state level. Doctrinaire conservatives are a minority in this country.
Call it a truce, call it “not talking to them” call it whatever you want.
I will call it by it’s true name: Surrender.
Surrender to the RINO establishment.
Surrender to Rockefeller Republicans.
Surrender to GOP Liberals.
They knew and were counting that we fear Obama more than we desire real conservatives. Therefore they gave us the middle finger and gave us the candidate that THEY wanted. And it’s playing out according to plan.
Not me suckers. I’m out. I will not vote for Romney and I will not vote for any GOP candidate that endorses and/or campaigns alongside him. He is a liberal and an enemy.
The bottom line is that money still controls most of politics and Romney had the money. The only way around this that I see going forward is for conservatives to come together early on ONE conservative candidate to pool our presidential resources behind.
I’m talking well beyond the boundaries of FR and the Tea Party to one candidate with broad enough support and access to resources that he/she could have both the political clout and the financial clout to win the nomination and represent most of out values (not necessarily all as politics is not about purity but about what you can accomplish).
As I see it, the problem this time was two-fold: a great many conservatives were waiting for Sarah Palin and she wound up leaving us at the altar. By the time she formally stepped out, there were too many quasi-conservatives each getting a small chunk of the vote and fighting each other.
In 2015, we must DEMAND that Palin be in or out far far sooner and have a second choice already clearly in place. Had we gone into June fully and uniformly behind another conservative, be it Cain, Perry, Newt or whomever, that candidate would have stood a far greater chance of winning the nomination and then most would have far less griping to do now.
Ideally, that candidate should be nationally known and tested with a proven track record to run on. Outsiders and gadflies can be popular but they can also have skeletons in the closet that can torpedo the campaign as soon as they come to light.
But, for now, do all you can in down-ballot races and, if you’re in a swing state, see to it that Obama does not win. If you don’t live in a swing state and can’t stomach Romney, leave it blank or write in or go third party or whatever floats your boat but if your state is going to be close, do nothing that is going to help Obama get re-elected.
Who says he will have it? If we had a conservative Senate leader and a decent majority, we could SHUT DOWN any Obama SCOTUS picks for the next 4 years.
I want the failures and the civil war to be on OBAMA's watch, not a GOPer, not even Romney.
Does this mean that all those who were banned or those marked as a troll and lost their posting privileges for supporting Romney will be reinstated?
I agree... I think there are going to be many threads I will be skipping over :p
Right. 2016 election will be either:
a) r0mney vs whatver turd the demonicRats serve up
b) Another Republican free-for-all vs whatever turd the demonicRats serve up to succeed 0bama's second term.
I'd like anyone who thinks that a hypothetical President r0mney would see meaningful conservative opposition in 2016 to explain how they think that will happen.
I'd also like to see serious, meaningful discussion as to how the 2016 "Republican free-for-all" I hypothesize above might produce a nominee we can actually vote for.
Anything else is just mental masturbation.
Innuendos like that are what I think Jim wants to stop.
Just because I refuse to vote for Romney, does not make me ‘pro Obama’ or blind to Obama’s policies.
Romney was not my first, second, third, or fourth choice in this campaign, but I still believe he is far preferable to Obama. If only because he will have to at least consider the interests of the GOP base if he wishes to maintain any support after the election. Obama won't. In any case, I wasn't going to contribute to a freepathon if I thought election discussion was going to be censored/banned.
Given that we're all at least on the same side of not liking Obama, I'm tossing something in to keep the site going.
The objective is to get rid of Obama, hold or expand contorl of the House and to take the Senate.
Everything else is meaningless.
I don’t want failures and civil war.
I want American greatness.
I suppose we’ll just have to cancel each other’s vote then.
Basically we need to have a conservative primary before the Republican primary...