Skip to comments.Frank discussion re our loss to Obama/Romney and the future direction of FR and tea party movement
Posted on 05/04/2012 6:31:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
My FRiends, we might as well face the reality that we the combined pro-life conservative movement and tea party coalition have lost this round (the presidential election) in the larger battle to reclaim our constitution and our inalienable rights. Rove, Romney and the GOP-e have successfully destroyed and driven off each and every pro-life conservative tea party candidate from the race and all have surrendered to the Romney camp. It is no secret that Romney is not one of us. There is absolutely no doubt that he has never accomplished a single conservative thing in his entire political career (one term as liberal governor of liberal Massachusetts and six years campaigning for president). In Massachusetts, he undeniably championed abortion, gay rights, global warming, gun control, big government statist mandated/socialized health care programs, liberal judges, TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending, debt limit increases, etc, and even though he's recently claimed a complete reversal in political beliefs and no longer despises pro-life conservatives or the time of Reagan-Bush, I still don't trust him. He still stubbornly holds on to some of his statist beliefs, like global warming, gays in the military, RomneyCare, stimulus spending, etc, so there is no way I can vote for him or join Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Newt or any others who are endorsing him. But I will not act on my prior promises that I would actively campaign against him if he wins the nomination. Our combined movement is already torn and splintered and is going to have to be mended if we're going to have any impact whatsoever against the liberal/progressives and statists after the election. To that end I propose a TRUCE among our conservative forces during the remainder of this election cycle.
We conservatives have already lost the presidency to either the Dems or the GOP-e, and if we tear the tea party apart, if we tear the pro-life movement apart, if we tear FR apart then we lose it all. It's far more important that we re-unite and live to fight another day. Even if we can't vote for a true conservative for the presidency, it's doubly important that we all turn out on election day or sooner and drag our friends, neighbors, relatives, co-workers, etc, to the polls to vote straight conservative for every slot on our ballots. The only way we can win our freedom back is to vote out the liberal progressives and vote in as many liberty loving conservatives as is humanly possible into every elected office at every level of government all across this great land. To prevent a total loss to the dems or GOP-e, we must continue the tea party rebellion into November and beyond. Whatever else you may do, you must turn out and vote straight tea party conservative down ticket!!
We must continue expanding our inroads into the state houses and into every elective office in the land. We must continue building on our majority in the house and we must retake the senate!! We must help the conservative governors and state legislatures to fully restore the ninth and tenth amendments and reclaim the real political power away from the federal usurpers and return it to the states and the people per the constitution!! This way, regardless of who wins the presidency, we can cut his unconstitutional expansionist movements off at the knees. And if any executive, civil officer or judge dares commit impeachable offenses, we must hold the majorities so we can impeach and remove them from office!!
And we must salvage and rebuild and continue strengthening our conservative pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-borders, pro-constitution, pro-small government, pro-defense, pro-liberty movements and our tea party coalition. And we must stop ripping each other apart!!
Therefore I hereby propose a general truce among our conservative forces!!
The Republic we save may be our own!!
As far as FR's finances go, we're in the same boat as the rest of the economy and will have to make do with what we can raise. Fortunately, the big debts we ran up a couple years ago have been paid off. We borrowed approx $20,000 a few years ago from two FReepers to fund our national convention, plus we ran up another $20,000 in legal fees during the last couple of years fighting off Righthaven. But those are now behind us and paid off. We also did quite a bit of traveling each year for the last three years on cross country tea party tours, but I think we can now cut that back and remove it from our budget requirements. If we're fortunate enough to not incur any additional legal costs or equipment costs (other than what we've already planned), and cut the travel and a few other areas, we should be able to tighten our belts enough to weather the storm even if we fail to reach our short term fundraising goals.
Whatever the outcome of the elections, we are prepared to roar into 2013 with the tea party chewing up liberal/progressives and RINOs and raising hell in our never ending fight for liberty!!
We are the resistance!!
Let's take the enemy head-on instead of fighting each other!!
Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!!
>>The real tugging will occur within the R’s. If we can’t tug him to the right as far as we like, we’ll grow the T-Party even more until we can’t be denied. Repeat; Romney will bend to pressure.
I agree. I think we’re going to see some fight in Romney that will make Obama cower. Mitt may have been a leftist bast*rd during his time in Massachusetts, but if he was a Newt Gingrich the Republicans would never get elected. I think the central question remaining unanswered is this - “Is Romney going to step up to the realization that the country is over if major government cutting and tax decreases do not occur and Obamacare is repealed?”
The pressure can be kept on Romney now that we have an alternative media, he won’t ignore his base. I do think it sucks that the GOP chose him as their Golden Boy though. So many other better choices.
Fractured conservative voteing is what gave us McCain, it gave us Romney. I dont see any way to a different outcome 4 years from now.
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Sadly, I don’t either. The RINOs count on us caving.
But if the Tree of Liberty must now be refreshed with it's natural manure, so be it.
It’s the right move Jim. Thanks.
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Well said Jim. Living to fight another day, each of us are in this Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, Coast Guard, all the Men and Women who make us Proud, each citizen is there whether that citizen wants to be there or not. God understands and the people at your site understand, why each of us have to fight for another day when our victory will be complete. Thanks Jim. From your keyboard to God's ears. Prayers Up!
The rule is simple; vote for the more conservative candidate. Always.
Romney won the primary fair and square, so he will be the nominee. Why he won doesn't matter. How he won doesn't matter. He won. That's the way the system works.
LOL ... and did not even have to click the link. LOL
Good to hear it.
Doesn’t change how what we think of Romney. He will need to be dragged to the right...hell, to the center, even.
We’ve a long road ahead of us...
“Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men. Do not pray for tasks equal to your powers. Pray for powers equal to your tasks.” Phillips Brooks (December 13, 1835 January 23, 1893)
The question you need to answer is, “Will Obama lose?”...
Not, “Will Romney win???”
It is a question that requires a simple yes, or no answer...There is no other way to do it...
This would have been true regardless of whom the Republican elites would have allowed us to have as a nominee.../sarc
I’m dissapointed in the whole election cycle process, some of us have been in the party trenches doing what we could to influence and steer the party in a direction away from the country-clubbing, elitist, moderate, appeasing, compramising bunch of feckless representatives and candidates for years...To no real difference...
We were paid lip service by many in that group, and are tired of having to justify holding our noses when we get to the polls over the last 10-15 years...
I intend to continue to do what I can from the inside...I do not like my chances...I hope there are more like me in this position...
What we need to realize now is that if Romney and the GOP elites fail to win the WH this November, do they realize, or even see, the incredible damage to the party as a whole this will do??? Its not just going to be another credibility hit either...This may well dry up the majority of donations and support to Republican candidates and incumbents because of the short sightedness of the Republican party leadership as well...
I would recommend as I have done before to forget about the top job this cycle and focus on getting the down ballot candidates we can hope that can wrestle control back to a more conservative bent and totally neuter the Obama administration after this next election...We need to focus on that anyway...
Keeping the House, and getting back the Senate may give us enough time to stave off the continued slide to oblivion that is the course we are on now...
Otherwise...It’s been nice knowing y’all...
I hope I am wrong...I really do...As it stands now, I will not be surprised either way...
What I hope for is to not see a lot of whining and crying after election day...We had a chance, and we could have effected a political shift, hopefully in time to get some things corrected...
We shall see...
The resulting flames got me to write my own opus, but I decided to wait until morning to post. Never did, but I’m keeping it on file, just in case.
Go ahead an post us a rough draft. We’ll help you with spelling, grammar and will coach you on being more inflammatory.
DON’T FORGET THE CAPS!!!!!
There is a big Tea Party Express rally for Paul in Austin this week end. If I thought I could get away with it I post an article about it. But I have seen to many banned for doing stuff like that so I am not going to risk it. It is ok to be a Paul supporter here as long as you don’t make to much noise. I think I got a slight pass since Paul is my congressman, I know he is a little nuts and has some crazy ideas but hey no one is perfect and he is very good on spending.
I am disappointed that Romney will be the Republican candidate, but I will vote for him as the lesser of two evils. The worst case scenario would be for BO to be re-elected because of conservatives refusing to vote for Romney.
I have to remind myself that it wasn't until August of 2008 that McCain announced his choice of Sarah Palin for VP. Up until that time I was contemplating not voting (for POTUS) for the first time since I had reached voting age. Like many others I talked myself into the proposition that I wasn't so much voting for McLame as I was for Palin.
I'm just not sure that there will be anyone that mittens can select that will "sweeten" the vomit-flavor that will come from pulling the lever for him.
God help us all.
I am so happy to see that there is another major rally in the works. The first one really revved alot of us up in this country and we need this one and more in DC on the mall.(and they clean up so nicely after wards!)
It makes the Dems really nervous!
I didn't understand his post to say you were pro-Obama. Rather, ABO have been trashed, called less than conservative, RINO, abortion loving and banned etc....
In his truce, he still uses the RINO term they have cast over us. I think an apology is more in order than a truce.
100% DEAD ON RIGHT.
We need to let the collapse and the civil war happen on Zero's watch. Hold the line on judicial appointees at the Senate. Hold the line on the budget in the House. Zero is not all-powerful; not yet, anyway.
What is JR and the rest of the sellouts getting in return for this “truce”
I think the exact opposite is true, getting called on the carpet for admitting to crawling across broken glass to pull the Romney lever if he is our nominee was my point.
The fact we all here dislike Obama is unquestionable, but those of us who realize what a disaster he will be with 4 more years will logically vote to remove him and at least have a CHANCE for sane executive decisions being made.
I have no intention of staying home. I’m voting against BOTH Romney and Obama.
The blame (100% of it) goes to those that voted for the stupid bastard in the primaries.
If that fits you, look in your own mirror.
If all you wanted was lots of liberal and moderate votes in Nov you should have nominated Hillary for the GOPe.
If your goal is to get conservative voters, you don't nominate a liberal puke like Mutt Romney!
I have to disagree. President Romney, IMO, would exploit the divisions in the GOP and form alliances between RINOs and Dems to push his socialist-lite version of government.
Oh, and a big reason why conservatives are hesitant to back Romney is that we saw what happened with the GOP-E being let off the leash during the Bush years. They trashed the GOP brand and seem driven to do the same with Romney.
But I wish that we could get more Conservatives focused on really targeting some of the most common fallacies that run through the whole complex of those in what I call the "Academic/Media complex"--that is, on the sloganized fantasy that was inculcated into the useful idiots who attend & attended Obama rallies, and chanted like zombies for changing our heritage into the nightmare we see being constructed, step by step, today.
We need a better use of tactical intellectual firepower. And Free Republic is a wonderful training ground for perfecting delivery techniques.
What exactly do I mean? Well, here is a brief list of absolutely--demonstrably--false premises that underlie most Leftist thought, which can be easily refuted, yet often go unchallenged:
1. Those who fail have somehow been wronged by those who succeed.
2. Experts planning the allocation of resources, both human & material, can improve on what people planning their own lives, and aware of their own strong & weak points, can achieve with themselves & any other resources that they control.
3. That it is "moral" to solve the immediate problems--real or imagined--of troubled individuals & groups at the expense of the multi-generational principles & concepts that have guided all true Western Progress over the Centuries. (This refers to the debasing of marriage, our family structures, our Constitutional contract & liberties, our currency & the sense of who we are & from whence we came, in the name of Marxist theory on such things as "fairness," "social Justice," "gender equity," etc., etc.)
What's the problem? I have been a monthly donor for a long time using Visa debit.
Had folks not voted for Perot in protest of George H. W. Bush’s broken “No new taxes” pledge, Bill Clinton would not have been elected. The current president won’t get a majority let alone a plurality of the vote unless there is a similar protest vote. The circumstances are marginally different but Obama is considerably more of an imminent threat to our survival than Clinton was. It is what it is.
I can't find where he says that in the post. He said vote for the Conservative candidates, not the most Conservative candidates. I'm not sure if this clarifies anything.
I assume that opposition to him will not be censored? Or will we be expected to be silent?
The goals of mormonism go far beyond this election. It would be a shame if FR were again used as a proselytizing tool for that anti-Christian sect.
“Make the full of cake.”
I have been spending a lot of time thinking and praying about this, and as I have stated, despite his warts, past history, flip-flops, etc. And despite favoring Sarah, Cain, Santorum and then Newt, should he go on and get the committed 1,144 delgates needed to win the GOP nomination, I will vote for Romney in order to defeat Obama. It is, IMHO, absolutely vital for the welfare and future of our nation that we remove Obama.
At the same time, as Jim says, we simply MUST also put in place a House and Senate that will hold Romney to the promises and commitments he is making, should he win. On his own site, those commitments are listed...we should all know and memorize tham and then hold him to them, because for the most part, they of themselves are good statements of intent.
However, given his record and background, we must also at the Federal level, at the States level, and clear down to the counties and towns, put in place people who will absolutely in any area of their influence, hold him to them.
If we do, I believe he will have to keep these commitments which are altogether different than what he did in Mass where the liberal State Legisalture had a hammer lock majority on every decsion and appointment he made.
If we are blessed by God in Heaven and His Son, Jesus Christ through the Holy Ghost, in answer to our prayers, to accomplish these things, I believe we can double down on 2010 here in 2012 and begin the turn around we all so desperately desire and work for...and make no mistake, we are going to have to all work, and work hard to make this possible.
But I believe it is possible and I am glad that FR will now be on the mend as a result of the actions and statements of the owner, Jim Robinson, so we can all take part at whatever level of that our conscience dictates we become involved. In this way we can go forward and uniteldy remain a force for good and agent of constitutional change in our society and nation.
God's speed to us all, and may He hear our prayers and answer them in His mercy to allow us to restore this Republic.
You raise an interesting point. If Zero wasn't an ineligible Communist controlled by George Soros, I might consider voting for him, just so TSHTF on his watch.
But I can't do that, any more than I can vote for Romney.
So, I will vote my conscience--probably Virgil Goode of the Constitution party--and let the rest of the deluded sheeple decide which statist gets into the White House.
NRA: Obama poised to ‘stack the court’
byJoel Gehrke Commentary Staff Writer
President Obama, if reelected. will “stack the court” with a majority that could circumscribe Second Amendment gun rights to a dramatic degree, the National Rifles Association (NRA) warned today.
“If those three left, he could stack the court with a 6-3 majority rule for the next 30 years,” said Chris Cox, executive director at the NRA’s Insitute for Legislative Action. “If that happens, the Second Amendment will be reduced to a government-granted privilege.”
Cox was referring to the possibility that Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg (age 79), Justice Stephen Breyer (age 73), and Justice Anthony Kennedy (age 75). Kennedy is often the swing vote in 5-4 decisions.
Ginsburg, as Cox noted today and in the past, has called for “a future, wiser” Supreme Court to overturn recent Second Amendment decisions such as the case that overturned the gun ban in Washington D.C.
You are the bigger man. Matter of fact, you are da man!
adults recognize that they must work together and at times make compromises.
children whine, cry, and stamp their feet when they don’t get their way.
So can the self-styled President Obama. With the right conservative leader in the Senate, Obama wouldn't have a SINGLE new judge on ANY court. They did it to Bush.
“Nugent slammed the Obama administration and singled out four members of the Supreme Court as not supporting the Constitution during his remarks at the National Rifle Association’s annual conference in St. Louis. Nugent, best known for his hit Cat Scratch Fever, is an NRA board member.
“If you want more of those kinds of evil anti-American people in the Supreme Court, then don’t get involved and let Obama take office again,” Nugent said Saturday. “Because I’ll tell you this right now: If Barack Obama becomes the president in November again, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year.”
Pay no mind to cva and his small-minded regional bigotry.
Lurker just think Supreme Court where we would have a fighting chance of a noble appointee rather than another Kagan or Sotomoyor..... ask yourself how you and your family could ever live under such rule for decades to come.....
My guess is that the ABO’s on Free Republic are women majority, and the no Romney no way’ers are men majority.
Just because we may cast a vote for Romney does not mean we cannot vocally and stridently oppose anything he does that is inconsistent with conservative values. Support him when he’s right on an issue, and fight against him when he’s wrong. I’d suggest that approach is perfectly consistent with both a clean conscience and sound policy.
Patting yourself on the back and insulting those that do not agree with you is not my concept of a truce.
I didn't realize all the states had voted in the primary and that the convention had occured. I thought THAT was supposed to be how the system works.