Skip to comments.Frank discussion re our loss to Obama/Romney and the future direction of FR and tea party movement
Posted on 05/04/2012 6:31:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
My FRiends, we might as well face the reality that we the combined pro-life conservative movement and tea party coalition have lost this round (the presidential election) in the larger battle to reclaim our constitution and our inalienable rights. Rove, Romney and the GOP-e have successfully destroyed and driven off each and every pro-life conservative tea party candidate from the race and all have surrendered to the Romney camp. It is no secret that Romney is not one of us. There is absolutely no doubt that he has never accomplished a single conservative thing in his entire political career (one term as liberal governor of liberal Massachusetts and six years campaigning for president). In Massachusetts, he undeniably championed abortion, gay rights, global warming, gun control, big government statist mandated/socialized health care programs, liberal judges, TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending, debt limit increases, etc, and even though he's recently claimed a complete reversal in political beliefs and no longer despises pro-life conservatives or the time of Reagan-Bush, I still don't trust him. He still stubbornly holds on to some of his statist beliefs, like global warming, gays in the military, RomneyCare, stimulus spending, etc, so there is no way I can vote for him or join Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Newt or any others who are endorsing him. But I will not act on my prior promises that I would actively campaign against him if he wins the nomination. Our combined movement is already torn and splintered and is going to have to be mended if we're going to have any impact whatsoever against the liberal/progressives and statists after the election. To that end I propose a TRUCE among our conservative forces during the remainder of this election cycle.
We conservatives have already lost the presidency to either the Dems or the GOP-e, and if we tear the tea party apart, if we tear the pro-life movement apart, if we tear FR apart then we lose it all. It's far more important that we re-unite and live to fight another day. Even if we can't vote for a true conservative for the presidency, it's doubly important that we all turn out on election day or sooner and drag our friends, neighbors, relatives, co-workers, etc, to the polls to vote straight conservative for every slot on our ballots. The only way we can win our freedom back is to vote out the liberal progressives and vote in as many liberty loving conservatives as is humanly possible into every elected office at every level of government all across this great land. To prevent a total loss to the dems or GOP-e, we must continue the tea party rebellion into November and beyond. Whatever else you may do, you must turn out and vote straight tea party conservative down ticket!!
We must continue expanding our inroads into the state houses and into every elective office in the land. We must continue building on our majority in the house and we must retake the senate!! We must help the conservative governors and state legislatures to fully restore the ninth and tenth amendments and reclaim the real political power away from the federal usurpers and return it to the states and the people per the constitution!! This way, regardless of who wins the presidency, we can cut his unconstitutional expansionist movements off at the knees. And if any executive, civil officer or judge dares commit impeachable offenses, we must hold the majorities so we can impeach and remove them from office!!
And we must salvage and rebuild and continue strengthening our conservative pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-borders, pro-constitution, pro-small government, pro-defense, pro-liberty movements and our tea party coalition. And we must stop ripping each other apart!!
Therefore I hereby propose a general truce among our conservative forces!!
The Republic we save may be our own!!
As far as FR's finances go, we're in the same boat as the rest of the economy and will have to make do with what we can raise. Fortunately, the big debts we ran up a couple years ago have been paid off. We borrowed approx $20,000 a few years ago from two FReepers to fund our national convention, plus we ran up another $20,000 in legal fees during the last couple of years fighting off Righthaven. But those are now behind us and paid off. We also did quite a bit of traveling each year for the last three years on cross country tea party tours, but I think we can now cut that back and remove it from our budget requirements. If we're fortunate enough to not incur any additional legal costs or equipment costs (other than what we've already planned), and cut the travel and a few other areas, we should be able to tighten our belts enough to weather the storm even if we fail to reach our short term fundraising goals.
Whatever the outcome of the elections, we are prepared to roar into 2013 with the tea party chewing up liberal/progressives and RINOs and raising hell in our never ending fight for liberty!!
We are the resistance!!
Let's take the enemy head-on instead of fighting each other!!
Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!!
When you got a Romney who has offered both alternatives to an issue at various points in his career, it’s guaranteed that one of them will be wrong.
Now that's good thinking! There is a time and place for hot-headed action, but right now cool, clear strategy and cold logic are important.
Which is exactly what Romney supporters do when they come up against those of us who refuse to be bullied and threatened and insulted into voting for a liberal Republican with a clear documented record of advancing all the things we're against: global warming regulation, state-run health care, the gay agenda, activist liberal judges, and abortion on demand.
People who think of themselves as the "adults" and of those who disagree with them as "children" are worse than stupid. They are arrogantly stupid. They give very good warning, to anyone who'll listen, of the bad sport ugliness conservatives would see if, God forbid, Romney wins. He will treat ALL consrvatives in D.C. as the children YOU and he think they are. Including those of YOU who are conservatives but plan to vote for Romney because you think it's the "grown-up" thing to do. You'd still be treated as a child by Romney -- WAKE UP. THINK IT THROUGH.
Obama is beatable even if he's re-elected -- in spite of all the pissing down the legs of cowering "bbbbbbbut we can't survive another four years of Obama!" A sheerly emotional statement from a place of pure panic, but stated as "fact" by patriots who should know better, who should understand the difference between a risk and a fact. Not children, but frightened patriots. And these frightened patriots fashion what little comfort they can for themselves by calling people like me "children."
Those of you who have convinced yourselves that you have "no choice" but Romney, stop calling me names, and stop letting panic, desperation, and fear cloud your jugement.
Agreed. The damage done to this forum is irreversible.
If the real conservatives would jump the ship called GOP, and actually WORK for a party that supports our views, we would have a chance.
Frankly, it doesn’t matter if Goode wins or not, I will vote my conscience and support a CONSERVATIVE. I AM VOTING AGAINST BOTH Obama and Romney - they are two sides of the same coin.
The smart thing would be for all of us to leave the GOP over this and let them go the way of the Whigs while we build up a party that represents us.
No one would be an acceptable VP enough to get me to vote for Romney. It would be hypocritical of me to ever vote for Romney.
Im out of the GOP over this. I will no longer be played the fool.
I fully agree and could not have said the necessaries better.
Do you ever get the feeling that you’re leading the charge...and nobody’s following?
No. Stash it away. You might need it.
Fine. Fold your hands then. Nothing I can do about it.
Being able to influence a presumptive Romney candidate, in VP pick and other affairs, rightward certainly can’t be accomplished by just sitting and storming “never, no way, should the heavens fall it is impossible, will I touch that (R) lever for the president in November.” If Romney or his campaign advisors are halfway rational people, they will say to quit worrying about those doing the storming. That’s the opposite of influence.
Before I engage you on this issue I’d like to know if I will be banned for doing so. I gather this truce extends to Romney, I’d like to know if it extends to Paul too. I have tried to play by the rules here and will continue to do so. There are lots of fun threads other then the political ones and I don’t want to lost my ability to comment on the non political ones.
Conservatives are to the GOP what blacks are to the Democrat Party.
LOL - and how do you think that's going to happen?
The old class of Tea Party candidates couldn't even stand up to their own GOP-E when facing off against Obama. What makes you think a new class of Tea Party candidates are going to stand up to the GOP-E to embarrass a President from their own Party?
Not going to happen. There's not going to be anybody "holding Romney's feet to the fire." People who think this is going to happen are simply deluding themselves.
Conservatives have already shown that we don't have the wherewithal to be a political force anymore. All we do is snipe at each other for not being 100% pure (each by their own personal definitions) while we systematically destroy our own candidates (Cain, Bachmann, Gingrich, Perry, Santorum, etc.) and hand the win to the worse RINO who's ever run on the GOP label. The GOP-E and Romney have absolute no reason - zilch, zero, diddly, none at all - to give a cup's worth of piss what we think about anything.
How can we call ourselves 'conservative' if we cast a vote (or neglect to) KNOWING the only candidate it helps is the person diametrically opposed to all things conservative? How does a 'conservative' square that fact with their conscience?
This is going to be a long post, since I posted this earlier elsewhere, but I think it’s relevant here as well, because, like many other, I firmly believe we haven’t a scintilla of a chance to prevent the next four years of OB’s continued destruction of the USA unless we ALL commit to there being one and ONLY one issue for the 2012 election and that is to defeat OB.
And re the concept of “... the POTUS doesn’t really matter, let’s at least get solid control of the Congress ...”, please keep in mind that OB has set such a horrendous pile of steaming precedents, (czars, executive orders, agency atrocities - think TSA, EPA, DOE, DOA) that I seriously doubt even with our control of Congress he’ll be hampered much in executing the rest of his plan to destroy this country.
Heres whats evolved in my befuddled brain recently:
The puppet masters, never to be viewed as not being VERY wily and smart, have set up an environment that will ensure OBs second term in order to complete the destruction of mankinds only real source of personal freedom (ie the USA).
They are going to field a ticket for the pubs that is so obnoxious to a great percentage of the conservative base that they WILL succeed in DIVIDE & CONQUER, with many not voting, voting for unelectable candidates or write-ins.
That is the only explanation I have been able to come up with for all the maneuvering and media blackout of the subject that has taken place re the NBC/eligibility issue and the continued bandying about of NON-NBC guys like Rubio and Jindal.
Well have to see what the final result is, but I for one am VERY concerned that the BIG FIX is in place already and its so well orchestrated that this DIVIDE & CONQUER PLAN is now the invisible elephant in the room were all just shouting in the wind when we carry on about all the other issues (ie planned and organized distractions) of the day.
Keep in mind how close EVERY poll is between OB and ANY challenger, when from ANY logical point of view OB should be polling down in the single digits by now. He is being supported and will be until they are dead and buried, (and by some them even after that has occurred if you know what I mean), by the DYED IN THE WOOL, slightly less than 50% voting block who:
(a) depend on him for their livelihood and goodies,
(b) are guilt ridden middle and upper class types who have to prove their compassionateness and political correctness and fairness to themselves and everyone else,
(c) just plain hate the USA for their own twisted reasons, but who have never tried to exist anywhere else on the planet,
(d) just have have no personal ambition and are perfectly content to bathe only occasionally, walk or bike everywhere and basically just exist, contributing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to society,
(e) lack the maturity gene, sit around humming cumbaya and simply want, (in the words of that most eloquent philosopher Rodney King), ... everyone to just get along ... (and the 1% to pay their fair share)
Re that last comment, the other day I listened to Micahel Medved spend about five (5) minutes trying to get some liberal spokeshole moron to commit to a specific TOTAL (ALL forms - local state, fed and hidden) percentage that the EVIL 1% should have to pay in taxes in order to to satisfy the feel good guys.
It was pathetically comical to listen to the weasel trying to evade the question. His responses ranged from Im not an economist to I dont really know what the federal rate should be to FINALLY I think 39% (just for federal taxes) is about right.
I disagree there. Some might even wish it to be irreversible, but I've been reading a little FR history. There's been all kinds of drama in the past, and breathless obituaries written for FR, but it always comes back.
He's on the record as having referred to Paul Ryan's budget as "marvelous."
He's one the record as supporting the Keystone Pipeline.
Is it your contention that he's wrong on both?
I am a Newt Gingrich supporter, because he was the best articulator among the gaggle of average to poor conservative representation. Milt Rominy is not a conservative. BUT, little barry bastard commie is not even a liberal, he's a fascist federal oligarch wannabe.
I will not vote for little barry bastard, either by casting a ballot with him as presidxedntial choice or by not casting a vote for the best chance to depose his commie ass and all his gaggle of fascist holder-on and reemer out. Little barry dunham must be removed from office, as soon as we can get it done. November is looking the most opportune time to do that BY THE PEOPLE, because the republicans in Congress are too feckless to remove his impeachable butt and are violating their oaths of office by not doing their duty in the face of mounting evidence that barry dunham is a fraud, a criminal, and an active fascist dictator rising.
Will I vote for Milt Rominy? ... Well, that will depend upon whom he nominates as his running mate! It is still too early to make that final choice.
Bottom line: I am about to make my quarterly donation to keep the doors open at this site, a site which has shown the ability to expose and oppose successfully the leftist in America. To capture and alter a phrase from Al Sharptoon, 'Oppose we much, work we can, succeed will will.'
We will not reform the Republican party by allowing the enemies to end the Republic. Little barry bastard commie is openly trying to terminate America. He must be removed by the time the inaguration in 2013 takes place, regardless of who is the Republican candidate to replace him. And make no mistake, removng him too soon will only give us the flip side of the same commie coin. HIllary is no lover of America. All the dwarves in the Republican debates, and Newt Gingrich, will never be as big an enemy of America as obama and his thugocracy now imperiously controlling America.
I am nauseated by people praising Milt Rominy. He is a lying political whore, lusting for power. The only way to work with Milt is to have such a conservative control of Congress (House and Seante) that he cannot rule like an obama wannabe, a socialist in GOP-e clothing. But little barry bastard commie has to go and we have to elect conservatives to replace democrats and rinos in the House and Senate. That means we have to start paying attention to who's runnning and encourage out friends and neighbors to do likelwise. Withou Freerepublic that task becomes even harder than it already is!
May God bless you Jim Robinson, and I'm pleading with him to leave you with us and not take you home until We The People start standing up to the evil in our midst. Freerepublic is a true force of will. If you say at this point that you absolutely will not vote for Milt Rominy, you remove from the equation the possibility that he might select a running mate for whom you could vote. I did that with McCain. I detest the old traitor. But he chose a shinning star from Alaska and I cast my vote for her against barry the bastard commie. This thread is not the place to discuss the disaaster that Milt might select a worse choice than even he is, but to say at this point the republican nominee will not get my vote is a mistake. Little barry bastard commie must be removed from power and all of his thugabbees with him. This may be our LAST chance to act as the sovereigns of America. I can live with a rominy, but America will not survive four more years of the little bastard commie and his evil henchthugs.
Now I'm off to make my quarterly donation to Freerepublic ... semper fi, fellow freepers.
I’m in a state that hasn’t held it’s primaries either, and I sure as Hell won’t be voting for Romney come our Primary.
THANK YOU JOHNNY! I’m with you 100%.
The GOP-E were not, of course, the only people to blame in the downing of more promising GOP presidential hopefuls. Obama emboldened the Democrats to pull tricks more dirty than have been seen in decades. It intimidated Sarah Palin from even making a bid. It blew Herman Cain out of the water, when the compassionate gestures of a kind hearted man were flouted as having sexual overtones by a few crazy women who appeared at an awfully convenient time, and got his wife in a dither. The GOP-E’s fault was in faint defense of these persons. But where was the Tea Party when all this was going down? Doubtless they wanted to help but practically they were caught with, no pun intended, pants down.
Thank you for the post. I was wondering when this would be suggested. This is potentially the biggest problem with a Romney nomination or victory, in terms of reshaping the Republican Party into an organizations that does more than pay lip service to its base.
The nominee becomes the head of the party and controls its apparatus. It is therefore not in Ronmey's best interests to change the party apparatus away from what supports his own interest -- that is, open primaries and pandering to liberal support.
In short, it's not going to happen. The GOP-E will not take steps that will lead to its own demise. This is why I believe that, in the end, a third party is the only option for conservatives.
I got news for ya - they're not worried about conservatives at all, storming or otherwise.
“More like the pro-Romeney people stop accusing those of us who refuse to vote for Romney of being Democrat plats, liberals, and stupid.”
And those of us who are NOT “pro-Romney”, but who will vote for him to prevent another 4 years of the Communist, could stop being called the same kind of names (along with the illusion that God loves your position and hates ours).
Agreed. But also maintaining the truce for the sake of FR. And that’s all I have to say about that. /gump
Please define “ Expressing their opinion”.
That covers everything from “I don't agree” to “Romney is the greatest and anyone that don't vote for him is low-life trailer trash.”
Both are opinions, but only one was/is likely to get you zotted.
Hardly! Who one supports for President is not the defining issue--although in 2012 defeating Obama is an absolutely essential tactical necessity! But the real fight, both now & after the election, is the same as it has been throughout all of our lives. And that is now, as it was always, to cherish & defend the heritage that made the America we believe in, possible. If we elected the perfect Conservative, dedication to that purpose would still be necessary; if we fell to the worst Marxist thug, reiteration of that dedication would remain the only reasonable path for anyone hoping to restore what was lost.
It is in the battle of ideas--in our case the battle to repel the lies & deceptions of the Left--that must ever be the necessity to those "eternally vigilant," in America's cause.
Have you seen the infighting on some threads? It’s been brutal.
Well, they’re either worried about getting enough votes or they aren’t. If they want the votes and conservatives who would otherwise sit out would be what is needed to put them over the top — well I think that will get the attention of Mitt’s flopping flip.
“can we have an FR page that compares and recommends candidates in the local races?”
That won’t do a whole lot of good, unless Freepers are willing to ORGANIZE. This is where the Kos’rs kick our ass.
They take the time from their day to CALL, to write letters, to protest, to boycott, and to ORGANIZE. We get a lot of complaining, but little organized action. (DC Freepers excluded, of course).
APPLAUSE! Very well said!
Work? That sounds too much like...work.
Conservatives will never go for that. We'd rather sit back and grouse about how we got gyped again, while huffing and puffing about how next time, we're really gonna get 'em.
Just like in 2008. And 1996. And 1992.
Face it, conservatism has been killed by the Left. Conservatism is dying of lethargy.
“Support him when hes right on an issue, and fight against him when hes wrong. Id suggest that approach is perfectly consistent with both a clean conscience and sound policy.”
Agreed...and it’s how it we should deal with ANYONE holding the office.
“I still believe a brokered convention is still possible for Palin to enter if Romney faulters between now and then.”
I believe a may still see a Unicorn, and win the lottery, too.
But the odds aren’t in my favor.
....."I was told by a poll worker ( the one handing out ballots ) that if you wrote-in anyone that didn't register in advance as a write-in candidate, it was a spoiled ballot and wouldn't be counted. That protest Donald Duck vote would cause your entire ballot to never be counted. That could void all your down ticket votes. If in doubt of your state law/rules on write-in voting, leave that slot blank. An under vote won't spoil a ballot."
I just began searching about PA. write in votes...so far it looks like you have to choose between the party candidate running....but I'll look further.
But you are correct...states do differ on this matter.
I truly cant predict what good and bad things that Romney might do if elected (one could justifiably say that, based on his flip-flopping, even HE probably doesn’t know at this time).
I can however, predict, with 100%, Cast in Marble CERTAINTY that OB WILL DO MUCH WORSE things than Romney has even considered, done in the past or will do in the future.
Not because Ive got some great crystal ball, but because OB TOLD US what he was going to do, and has pretty much been doing so, with (Obmacare) or without (Keystone) the help/obstruction of our Congressional “representatives”.
And before the troll accusations start, my personal and permissible preferences for the 2012 POTUS candidate have always been, in order of preference (and y’all are entitled to your own list):
Newt Gingrich (albeit suspiciously due to the APPARENT change of heart and professed intention to kick ass & take names instead of being a DC insider)
Ron Paul (we definitely need a SERIOUS change in attitude and direction, although some of his positions are a bit scary)
Rick Santorum (unknown quantity)
This statement is illogical. Ron Paul has run for election to the office of the president at least three times. He has been in public service since the '80s. He has been consistent in his beliefs and in his voting record. He is Pro-Life. He, practically alone, has changed the focus of the nation on the importance of the Fed. He served in the military and wants to bring the troops home. He, like George Washington, believes in NO foreign entanglements. He has a consistent voting record supporting less spending and fewer taxes.
The primary season is NOT over. If Ron Paul could take Texas and California, would he have a chance to block Romney? If so, why not take that route? Let's not give up before I get up to sing! (Yes, I am the fat lady, and yes, I do sing!)
Know that I am a Palin supporter. But my dad, the last year of his life, had me put a Ron Paul for President sign on our lawn. Dad set up the first aid station on Iwo Jima. He was a patriot, a physician and the smartest man I've ever known.
So, would you all settle down, and answer my original question: if Freepers can consider voting for Romney, how can they not consider voting for Ron Paul?
>>Ive avoided making such predictions in future elections, but I say it with strong conviction this time: There will be no 2016 election. And it matters not who wins in 2012.
Note: Conviction still equals IMO.<<
Every state will still have their own state constitutions and I don’t recall any of them saying they would allow the people to live under a dictatorship.
Perhaps you have an idea why armed people would submit to such a thing but I certainly don’t. Check my tagline.
The way I see it, the only solutions to our problems are conservative ones.
We can adopt them sooner, with some pain, or we can adopt them later - after the terrible cost of ignoring them is plain for all to see.
Zero, of course, would rather wreck the country. I hold out a hope, a small hope, that a Mittens administration might possibly see the light, so to speak, as the reality and the pressures of our situation becomes more compelling, and the only possible solutions - the conservative solutions - become ever more obvious to the American people.
Of course, Mittens might just drive us over a cliff as surely as a second Zero administration will. And the American people show themselves to be selfish and stupid and deserving of their fate. But I know there is a divine providence that watches over this country, and that there are many many good, patriotic citizens who hate what is happening and know that something will be asked of them, and will be willing to give it.
A agree. NOT voting FOR Romney will cause Obama to get back in office. That is totally UNacceptable for this country and I will not have it.
Romney will get my vote only to vote AGAINST Obama.
We are in the fight of our lives here in Wisconsin with the vicious and nasty Recall of our terrific Gov. Scott Walker. THIS is ground zero, have said it 100 times here on FR. Please folks - we ARE winning, inch by inch - in our fight. The battle of Romney was lost but NOT the war.
For anyone willing, please at least offer your prayers and any monetary support you can muster for Gov. Scott Walker. Recall Primary - May 8, Recall Election is June 5.
Please donate monthly to FR - it’s easy.
Please donate if you can to www.scottwalker.org
THANKS - THIS is where we start - state and local. Let’s DO IT.
Its about the same as during the gray davis recall.
The Ahnold idiots won that war and we were expected to just go along and support the bastard... everyone sees how that turned out...
Never gonna happen again...
Even when Romney only means we will spend more time in the wilderness with little or no voice.