Skip to comments.Frank discussion re our loss to Obama/Romney and the future direction of FR and tea party movement
Posted on 05/04/2012 6:31:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
My FRiends, we might as well face the reality that we the combined pro-life conservative movement and tea party coalition have lost this round (the presidential election) in the larger battle to reclaim our constitution and our inalienable rights. Rove, Romney and the GOP-e have successfully destroyed and driven off each and every pro-life conservative tea party candidate from the race and all have surrendered to the Romney camp. It is no secret that Romney is not one of us. There is absolutely no doubt that he has never accomplished a single conservative thing in his entire political career (one term as liberal governor of liberal Massachusetts and six years campaigning for president). In Massachusetts, he undeniably championed abortion, gay rights, global warming, gun control, big government statist mandated/socialized health care programs, liberal judges, TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending, debt limit increases, etc, and even though he's recently claimed a complete reversal in political beliefs and no longer despises pro-life conservatives or the time of Reagan-Bush, I still don't trust him. He still stubbornly holds on to some of his statist beliefs, like global warming, gays in the military, RomneyCare, stimulus spending, etc, so there is no way I can vote for him or join Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Newt or any others who are endorsing him. But I will not act on my prior promises that I would actively campaign against him if he wins the nomination. Our combined movement is already torn and splintered and is going to have to be mended if we're going to have any impact whatsoever against the liberal/progressives and statists after the election. To that end I propose a TRUCE among our conservative forces during the remainder of this election cycle.
We conservatives have already lost the presidency to either the Dems or the GOP-e, and if we tear the tea party apart, if we tear the pro-life movement apart, if we tear FR apart then we lose it all. It's far more important that we re-unite and live to fight another day. Even if we can't vote for a true conservative for the presidency, it's doubly important that we all turn out on election day or sooner and drag our friends, neighbors, relatives, co-workers, etc, to the polls to vote straight conservative for every slot on our ballots. The only way we can win our freedom back is to vote out the liberal progressives and vote in as many liberty loving conservatives as is humanly possible into every elected office at every level of government all across this great land. To prevent a total loss to the dems or GOP-e, we must continue the tea party rebellion into November and beyond. Whatever else you may do, you must turn out and vote straight tea party conservative down ticket!!
We must continue expanding our inroads into the state houses and into every elective office in the land. We must continue building on our majority in the house and we must retake the senate!! We must help the conservative governors and state legislatures to fully restore the ninth and tenth amendments and reclaim the real political power away from the federal usurpers and return it to the states and the people per the constitution!! This way, regardless of who wins the presidency, we can cut his unconstitutional expansionist movements off at the knees. And if any executive, civil officer or judge dares commit impeachable offenses, we must hold the majorities so we can impeach and remove them from office!!
And we must salvage and rebuild and continue strengthening our conservative pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-borders, pro-constitution, pro-small government, pro-defense, pro-liberty movements and our tea party coalition. And we must stop ripping each other apart!!
Therefore I hereby propose a general truce among our conservative forces!!
The Republic we save may be our own!!
As far as FR's finances go, we're in the same boat as the rest of the economy and will have to make do with what we can raise. Fortunately, the big debts we ran up a couple years ago have been paid off. We borrowed approx $20,000 a few years ago from two FReepers to fund our national convention, plus we ran up another $20,000 in legal fees during the last couple of years fighting off Righthaven. But those are now behind us and paid off. We also did quite a bit of traveling each year for the last three years on cross country tea party tours, but I think we can now cut that back and remove it from our budget requirements. If we're fortunate enough to not incur any additional legal costs or equipment costs (other than what we've already planned), and cut the travel and a few other areas, we should be able to tighten our belts enough to weather the storm even if we fail to reach our short term fundraising goals.
Whatever the outcome of the elections, we are prepared to roar into 2013 with the tea party chewing up liberal/progressives and RINOs and raising hell in our never ending fight for liberty!!
We are the resistance!!
Let's take the enemy head-on instead of fighting each other!!
Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!!
Well said Jim.
Not time to take the ball and go home. Time to get better and stronger until we’re the ones making the rules.
Now if someone could post a “How to vote for Romney without throwing up on your ballot” it would be appreciated.
Forgive me for being dense, but what specifically does this truce entail?
I’ve avoided making such predictions in future elections, but I say it with strong conviction this time: There will be no 2016 election. And it matters not who wins in 2012.
Note: Conviction still equals IMO.
Glad to see this Jim, so will a lot of anti-Obama voters here who have been dealt a crap sandwich this election with our nominees but still see another term of Obama as far worse then any other outcome.
Thank you good sir. For calling the truce, and for so much more.
May God guide our course.
Next time the Primaries come around, can we have an FR page that compares and recommends candidates in the local races?
A painful, but necessary question.
Haven’t seen your moniker here for a while. Hope all’s well with you and yours.
Stay well and stay safe. A great evil is upon us.
I’ll vote Romney no matter what. Obama MUST lose.
I also will vote for the most conservative rep. in my district and continue the pressure on Romney in 2014 by getting rid of more GOP-e candidates.
Romney will bend to pressure. Then, in 2016, we will crush him.
It wolud be nice to have four more years to stock up on ammo then...guns are on the to do list for Barry if he wins.
“Now if someone could post a How to vote for Romney without throwing up on your ballot it would be appreciated.”
LOL. It’s going to be tough But even if Romney loses chances are that 4 years from now the conservative vote will again be split and we will be left with a mooshy rino candidate.
Fractured conservative voteing is what gave us McCain, it gave us Romney. I don’t see any way to a different outcome 4 years from now.
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Great post Jim!
Only good will come of this!
Sound reasoning there my FRiend... We have no other choice IMHO.
We had no shining candidate. Every one of them carried baggage than made them questionable in the public’s eye,ran abysmal campaigns, or both. The one potential star decided early to sit this one out. All this combined made it easy for the Roves to control the situation.
Unless something occurs at the convention (I’m not holding my breath), we’ll have Romney for our candidate. I will vote for him. No, I take that back. I’ll not vote for Obama so I have no choice in the matter. 2012 looks to be a 2008 redux as far as my nose is concerned when I enter the polls. So be it.
Jim, right now I’m not in a position to help with the finances beyond my monthly, but I’ll see what I can do come June. I think I may be able do do something. Take care.
I urge all Freepers and their families to vote a straight Republican ticket. In the last election in Harris County, Texas (Houston) record numbers of Repbulicans did so and the result?
We took all 70 county positions for the Republicans. It was a wholesale massacre. That is how it is done.
To knock off the infighting on FR and concentrate on electing conservatives instead. I don’t know about others, but I personally cannot vote for Romney, but I will turn out and vote for every conservative on my ballot. Regardless of the outcome of the presidential race, we must build on our majorities at the local state and federal levels and we must retake the senate.
We must have conservative majorities so we can control the agenda and or impeach the usurpers no matter who wins!!
Thank you for being gracious as well as intelligent.
We need to all do what we can to ( ultimately) save
But there's more than one way to skin a RINO. Focus on The House and more unlikely the Senate. The House Republicans can hold the line and deserve our support.
Even if you don't vote for Romney support your local Republican candidates!
I’m with you on Palin. Too bad that she’s not the nominee this year. We really need a strong person to clean house and get things in order again.
I agree with Jim that we need to do what we have to this time, try to help every tea party candidate we know get elected, and then we need to continue to let the elites know their days are numbered.
Question: Is there a way that we, the people, can get a referendum on the ballots to have term limits? It is obvious that the Congress will not vote that in themselves. What recourse do we have? We are NOT being served by these ruling class politicians. They believe that they have a right to stay as long as they please. We have to have a voice in this.
We need to pool all our resources toward defeating Obama and then, after the election, we need to put all our effort into changing the RNC and getting conservatives ahead of the RINOS around the country.
I also eagerly await the response to your question.
Well said, Big Guy. Even if we can’t vote for Romney—and I honestly don’t know if I will vote for him until I step in the booth on Election Day—we MUST get out the vote and support conservatives at all levels in all offices. Federal, state, local, from Senator down to dogcatcher. City and county councils, school boards, judges, boards of supervisors, statewide Constitutional offices, everything. If we can’t put a conservative at the top, let’s start at the bottom and work from there.
Fair enough, but I still won’t vote for Romney come November.
I need the ability to donate with a visa debit as that is the only plastic I use.
I’m just sick to death of having to hold my nose when I vote though.
You are on the right track.
Mitt Romney needs to face the Mother of All Primary Battles in 2016, regardless of how things stand in the country.
Yes, But Which Ticket?
Willard will bring the GOP into a Left of Center Party, now Sarah and other true Blue Conservatives may be able to pull it back, but the question remains, is the GOP worth the effort?
My Answer is increasingly "No" like the Whigs before them, they are completely willing to sit back and ignore the issues that face us, in order not to make waves. I therefore suggest Secession from the GOP from our continued union.
With Ubama's tyranny growing more and more bold everyday, we live in a very dangerous time, how long until the Dems don't need the Red States to win elections? Then we have NO voice.
—It wolud be nice to have four more years to stock up on ammo then...guns are on the to do list for Barry if he wins.—
If we take the full congress he’ll have a hard time doing anything. The only reason he gets away with what he does is that the congress does not use their constitutional authority to slap him back into reality. With the R’s controlling it, they would, assuming the R’s have grown a pair since the Trent Lott days.
the tea party ain’t goin anywhere....
this tea party festival in September is expectin 50 to 80 k people and the very best of our conservative base will be speakin
as well busses from select regions will provide transportation to and from
The only way to affect a process is to engage in the process.
I still believe a brokered convention is still possible for Palin to enter if Romney faulters between now and then.
We have lost one battle, the fight for the Republican nomination.
Three fights remain, and we can win them.
First, we can be instrumental in electing Conservative members of the Senate and House. The Senate is in play, the House, very questionable if Obama wins, coattails, et al.
Secondly, we need to be seen as visible supporters of the most Conservative candidate WHO CAN WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION in every race possible. That support must go beyond FR and into our local voting communities. We already know how FReepers think. We need to reach the MORs and The Great Unwashed. This gives us IOUs post-November.
Third, We need to support Jim and FR with our $. With your newly reinvigorated leadership, Jim, I'm back to donating.
Remember, Romney is FAR from the perfect candidate, but perfect can be the enemy of very good. American can survive 4 years of Romney, especially with FR there as a nudge.
She cannot survive 4 more years of an unfettered Obama.
A very wise stance, IMO.
I have only been posting for a few months, but I lurked for three years, and I love this site very much. It’s so great to have a place to come to where you can read an article, scroll down to the comments, and find at least one person who has already said exactly what I’m thinking.
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If I were you, I would seriously start working on porting FR to run on one of the cloud services. This would resolve any issues with unexpected costs due to failing hardware, as well as (assuming your application is written correctly) provide you with extra capacity when it is needed during peak times.
“To knock off the infighting on FR and concentrate on electing conservatives instead. I dont know about others, but I personally cannot vote for Romney, but I will turn out and vote for every conservative on my ballot.”
Okay. I understand your view. That's where I was when it looked, early in ‘08, like Giuliani might take the nomination. This time, the line in the sand that I draw is just a micron beyond where Romney is, so I can (barely) vote for him. And in that I can, I must, as the alternative is the Kenyan anti-Christ.
But, again, forgive me for the need for a little more specificity. Does this mean that folks may generally say pro-Romney things? Argue for Romney (civilly, of course)? Engage in the sort of behavior in favor of Romney that posters could in favor of other candidates, like Santorum (for whom I actually voted in my own Maryland primary, to absolutely no avail), Gingrich or Perry?
Where are the boundaries?
I ask so that folks can know, and maybe fewer bannings might result.
Sarah Palin is my choice and one has to admire how she's positioned herself for Tampa Bay days.
See for youtself at http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/stateroundup/sarah-palin-setting-up-shop-at-channelside-for-gop-convention/1224557
Thanks. All is well.
Considering the free hand Barry and his czars have worked with without much of a peep from the House I’m sure as hell not putting my faith in them suddenly saying enough is enough.
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