Skip to comments.Frank discussion re our loss to Obama/Romney and the future direction of FR and tea party movement
Posted on 05/04/2012 6:31:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
My FRiends, we might as well face the reality that we the combined pro-life conservative movement and tea party coalition have lost this round (the presidential election) in the larger battle to reclaim our constitution and our inalienable rights. Rove, Romney and the GOP-e have successfully destroyed and driven off each and every pro-life conservative tea party candidate from the race and all have surrendered to the Romney camp. It is no secret that Romney is not one of us. There is absolutely no doubt that he has never accomplished a single conservative thing in his entire political career (one term as liberal governor of liberal Massachusetts and six years campaigning for president). In Massachusetts, he undeniably championed abortion, gay rights, global warming, gun control, big government statist mandated/socialized health care programs, liberal judges, TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending, debt limit increases, etc, and even though he's recently claimed a complete reversal in political beliefs and no longer despises pro-life conservatives or the time of Reagan-Bush, I still don't trust him. He still stubbornly holds on to some of his statist beliefs, like global warming, gays in the military, RomneyCare, stimulus spending, etc, so there is no way I can vote for him or join Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Newt or any others who are endorsing him. But I will not act on my prior promises that I would actively campaign against him if he wins the nomination. Our combined movement is already torn and splintered and is going to have to be mended if we're going to have any impact whatsoever against the liberal/progressives and statists after the election. To that end I propose a TRUCE among our conservative forces during the remainder of this election cycle.
We conservatives have already lost the presidency to either the Dems or the GOP-e, and if we tear the tea party apart, if we tear the pro-life movement apart, if we tear FR apart then we lose it all. It's far more important that we re-unite and live to fight another day. Even if we can't vote for a true conservative for the presidency, it's doubly important that we all turn out on election day or sooner and drag our friends, neighbors, relatives, co-workers, etc, to the polls to vote straight conservative for every slot on our ballots. The only way we can win our freedom back is to vote out the liberal progressives and vote in as many liberty loving conservatives as is humanly possible into every elected office at every level of government all across this great land. To prevent a total loss to the dems or GOP-e, we must continue the tea party rebellion into November and beyond. Whatever else you may do, you must turn out and vote straight tea party conservative down ticket!!
We must continue expanding our inroads into the state houses and into every elective office in the land. We must continue building on our majority in the house and we must retake the senate!! We must help the conservative governors and state legislatures to fully restore the ninth and tenth amendments and reclaim the real political power away from the federal usurpers and return it to the states and the people per the constitution!! This way, regardless of who wins the presidency, we can cut his unconstitutional expansionist movements off at the knees. And if any executive, civil officer or judge dares commit impeachable offenses, we must hold the majorities so we can impeach and remove them from office!!
And we must salvage and rebuild and continue strengthening our conservative pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-borders, pro-constitution, pro-small government, pro-defense, pro-liberty movements and our tea party coalition. And we must stop ripping each other apart!!
Therefore I hereby propose a general truce among our conservative forces!!
The Republic we save may be our own!!
As far as FR's finances go, we're in the same boat as the rest of the economy and will have to make do with what we can raise. Fortunately, the big debts we ran up a couple years ago have been paid off. We borrowed approx $20,000 a few years ago from two FReepers to fund our national convention, plus we ran up another $20,000 in legal fees during the last couple of years fighting off Righthaven. But those are now behind us and paid off. We also did quite a bit of traveling each year for the last three years on cross country tea party tours, but I think we can now cut that back and remove it from our budget requirements. If we're fortunate enough to not incur any additional legal costs or equipment costs (other than what we've already planned), and cut the travel and a few other areas, we should be able to tighten our belts enough to weather the storm even if we fail to reach our short term fundraising goals.
Whatever the outcome of the elections, we are prepared to roar into 2013 with the tea party chewing up liberal/progressives and RINOs and raising hell in our never ending fight for liberty!!
We are the resistance!!
Let's take the enemy head-on instead of fighting each other!!
Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!!
The Presidency @ the top of the ballot is NOT the election.
As has been demonstrated repeatedly, it’s the House and Senate and the State Legislatures that matter most in determining the course and future of the country. It matters NOT what the POTUS wants if Congress isn’t going to deliver it. Alternatively, it matters NOT what we think we want if we don’t take care to elect a Congress that WILL deliver.
I want ‘almost’ anybody ‘not Obama’ waving the baton and will figure out how to vote against him when the time comes.
JimR’s point seems to be ‘ ... Well, we can’t have the POTUS we want THIS time but we MUST get rid of the POTUS we have AND pick up every Congressional and State Legislative seat we can get’. Seems an adequate strategy for this and every future election cycle.
‘Eating our own’ because we don’t have the POTUS nominee we want is simply self-defeating.
One Man’s Opinion
"You know this is not a choice between Mitt Romney and Ronald Reagan. This is a choice between Mitt Romney and the most radical leftist president in American history."
(I will still be puking as I pull the lever)
Well said Jim. Finances have been tight for my family lately but I finally received back some of the money the IRS seized from me last year, so I am sending in my part today.
God Bless FreeRepublic!
What entities do you expect to exist or come into existence, over the next four years, that will have the power to defeat a sitting Republican president?
Which of these entities will be conservative?
Of course another massive Tea Party Rally in DC in the September/October time frame would help to get that point across.
Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that if the British Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, 'This was their finest hour.'
Winston Churchill - June 18, 1940
I find nothing with which to argue in your post. In fact I agree with it but never could see the need for “cutting off one’s nose to spite his face”.
Job one is getting rid of Obozo and his minions. At the same time we need to elect actual CONSERVATIVES whereever and whenever we can!
God bless you for everything you do. You are a true inspiration!
I don’t care what other members do for Romney, but please do not expect me or any other pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-small government person who declines to support him to join in on the Romney parade. I will not vote for him, will not endorse him, will not support him, will not campaign for him and will not run banners for him. And I will reserve the right to support another candidate if a miracle happens at the convention and a real conservative jumps in.
But I don’t want to see the tea party or the conservative movement or FR to be destroyed because of him and Rove.
Like the man said, we have bigger fish to fry.
I don't trust him, either. There is enough in his background to raise real concerns. However, Romney has at least been campaigning largely as a conservative. He has said repeatedly during this campaign that he opposes Obamacare, abortion, and same-sex marriage. And unless he changes his positions on these issues between now and election day, or puts an avowed pro-abort on ticket, I will most likely vote for him.
The alternative is Obama, and I know what to expect from Obama. With Romney, there is at least a chance--especially with a Congress much more conservative than the Massachusetts legislature--that he will govern in a significantly more conservative direction.
conservative pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-borders, pro-constitution, pro-small government, pro-defense, pro-liberty. . . .
That is my philosophy too, as it is for all the good conservatives who have been around here for a while. I think we all agree on philosophy; it is on strategy where we have some differences. And this has led to some good, longtime, conservative FReepers getting zotted or being reluctant to express themelves freely.
Therefore I hereby propose a general truce among our conservative forces!!
OK, but what does this "truce" mean? What will be different from the last few months? For example, will those longtime FReepers who were banned be able to come back? Will their posting privileges be restored? I'm not talking about obvious DU-type trolls, disruptors. I'm talking about people who got the zot but whose posting history and sign-up date makes it clear they were not trolls. Is there a way of un-zotting them or letting them know they can come back now? I think it would help the morale around here.
Thanks for allowing a frank discussion of these things.
I can see another scenario. A Romney win will entrench the GOP-E socialists in the party. A President Romney would form a coalition between Congressional RINOs and Dems and hang the Tea Party out to dry. And he will use the power of his office to get more GOP-E candidates in 2014 and fight the rise of the Tea Party tooth and nail - and will be hard to dislodge in 2016, leading to yet another electoral disaster in 2018 and 2020 like we saw in the end years of the Bush Admin, due largely to the inherent RINO problems infesting that administration.
Every conservative, IMO, needs to make a hard assessment of whether a Romney win in 2012 would be a Pyrrhic victory in the ongoing fight against entrenched socialism in Washington. I can see both arguments. What I can't stand is the simplistic calls of party unity by too many on this site that ignores the basic fact that the GOP-E has openly knifed good conservatives in the back for too long - examples being Palin in 2008 and many Tea Party candidates in 2010. This fight is much bigger than just this election, and IMO President Romney would be a long detour in that fight.
I won't yell at anyone who says they are voting for Romney because he's not as bad as Obama. But I will tell anyone demanding me to follow their lead to KMA. Conservatives are not GOP lemmings any more. The GOP-E has to make the case for Romney and so far they have done the opposite.
Under Romney Massachusetts was no paradise..far from it.I mean how can you have paradise in a state which has a legislature that's 90% Rat? How can you have a paradise in a state where Barney Frank is the "centrist".But I can assure you all that,while no paradise under Romney,Massachusetts was a far better place under him than it is under Coupe Deval.Far,far,far,FAR better.Better by a factor of 10.
Romney will very probably not be a *great* President.He probably won't even be a particularly *good* President.But as was the case in '92 only one of *two* people will be President next January.In 1993 those two individuals were Bush and Billy Bob.Next January it will either be Romney or the current Community Organizer-In-Chief.The last time a third party candidate got a *single* Electoral Vote was 1972.My guess is that more than a few here weren't even *alive* in 1972.
I'm voting for the lesser of the two evils that will be receiving Electoral Votes this December.Not with any joy in my heart,to be sure.The fight for the soul of the Republican Party can go on at any time *except* between the time that a Presidential nominee is determined (which appears to have occurred with *both* parties) and the moment that the last polls close on election day.Any other attitude today,given the breathtaking danger that an unrestrained Osama Obama represents to this nation in a second term,is literally national suicide.
Well Said Jim
Well, I confess there is that. My faith in them is pretty low too, but I think it’s all we got. It’s why lately I tell people to forget about the government. You’re on your own.
I won’t vote straight R but I will vote straight Conservative. Mittens isn’t getting my vote.
I don’t think he has a snowball’s chance in hell anyway. The fix is in. Way to go, pubs!
Let the head of the snake think it has a chance to live,while we go for the soft underbelly, stay in it for the long haul...wear them out locally with contested races and then go in for the finish! Go TEA party!
Principled stance perhaps, but a wise stance? What is wise about giving Barack Obama the Supreme Court for the next generation or two?
I don't claim any special privilege but I want you to know something about me so that you don't accuse me of being the casual Freeper. I have been with this site since 1998. I carried JimRob up the steps of the Architecture Museum (of course with the assistance of several other Freepers grabbing a part of the chair.) I have given over $4000 to the support of this site. And I fear for the future of my granddaughters who will have to live with the results of a second Obama term, a continuation of the tyranny, a continuation of using the Constitution as toilet paper. I would vote for Dennis Kucinich if I had to in order to stop this Kenyan Communist Bastard from continuing in office. Anybody who can't vote for Romney to save his and my grandchildren and the ones that follow them is too wrapped up in himself to give a damn about this country. If you can't vote for Romney at this point you are more like Bill Ayers who wanted to destroy the country and replace it with something in his own image.