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Frank discussion re our loss to Obama/Romney and the future direction of FR and tea party movement
Click here to pledge your support! ^ | May 4, 2012 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 05/04/2012 6:31:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

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To: Dudoight

You are ABSOLUTELY right!


301 posted on 05/04/2012 8:43:52 AM PDT by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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To: SAWTEX

I need the ability to donate with a visa debit as that is the only plastic I use.
___________________
That’s all we use and I am a monthly donor. You just fill out the form as if it were a credit card.


302 posted on 05/04/2012 8:46:09 AM PDT by leapfrog0202 ("the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery" Sarah Palin)
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To: cajunangel

All I can chime in and add is that this is the best true conservative site out there. It is the only site on the entire internet where I feel free to express my disdain for that sucker Romney and him “winning” the GOP nomination, so the emdia has crowned him, that is 100% conservative. The rest of the sites have become fearful of critics of the GOP plantation and are just aiming fire at Obama when they should be plotting what to do to stop Romney while there remains a slim chance. Fine, but it is not right to lie for and support Romney, in my opinion.

Not only that but this site supports or has supporters of the birther issue which I have come to agree with.

In my view, most of the so-called conservatives on certain sites are not really that conservative, but just republican. Otherwise, Romney would have been laughed off stage. Obama is bad, but Romney is as bad. So what am I to do if I dislike both with a passion. It is my right to vote third party, if I want, and I assure you that I’ll sleep better at night.

My beef with detractors of this site is how a portion of them just want a site to actively promote non-conservative candidates and issues that are not conservative and fail to understand that if they want that then they are not conservative and should go elsewhere because ther are bound to be sites open to debate and arguing or rino support and for moderates.

But this site, in my opinion, is just for conservatives. The ball game has changed and as it seems to me that a lot of people were divided on candidates this election cycle because it is so confusing. But, at the same time, we knew who was the moderate establishment candidate and that was Romney.

Conservative were betrayed by him and he is a man of no conviction. Therefore, we here have a right to go after him and have a right to not vote for him. None of us are re-electing Obama by voting third party or writing in a name instead we are standing on convictions. And those voting for Romney are selling their principals out, if they even were conservative at all. They help Obama win re-election by falling into Obama’s and the GOP establishment’s trap in the general.

So, in my opinion, there were a bunch of Obama people, as well as die hard Romney supporters, on this site at various times trying to demoralize the users and to promote Romney so Obama can win re-election. And looks like the 2012 election for president has become a night mare election.

I can do nothing about who gets banned, I’m just a user. But a lot of them were people who were actively breaking rules or who disagreed with this site, which happens, but they went a bit too far by promoting Rinos.

Look it has become a mess, but last thing this site would want and needs is Romneybots all over it who would be just as bad as any Obamabots. We don’t want long arguements on petty issues. At least I don’t. We are sick of the Romney Kool-aid and their promoters. Okay.

As I understand it Romney promoters are not wanted. Romney is not conservative. This is a conservative site.


303 posted on 05/04/2012 8:46:09 AM PDT by Mozilla (Constitution Party 2012)
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To: reaganaut
"It is not unquestionable, based on the number of I times we have been called ‘democrat plants’."

*sigh* Okay, I give you that one, both sides of the argument have said some stupid things, on that we agree.

304 posted on 05/04/2012 8:46:09 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: cajunangel

All I can chime in and add is that this is the best true conservative site out there. It is the only site on the entire internet where I feel free to express my disdain for that sucker Romney and him “winning” the GOP nomination, so the emdia has crowned him, that is 100% conservative. The rest of the sites have become fearful of critics of the GOP plantation and are just aiming fire at Obama when they should be plotting what to do to stop Romney while there remains a slim chance. Fine, but it is not right to lie for and support Romney, in my opinion.

Not only that but this site supports or has supporters of the birther issue which I have come to agree with.

In my view, most of the so-called conservatives on certain sites are not really that conservative, but just republican. Otherwise, Romney would have been laughed off stage. Obama is bad, but Romney is as bad. So what am I to do if I dislike both with a passion. It is my right to vote third party, if I want, and I assure you that I’ll sleep better at night.

My beef with detractors of this site is how a portion of them just want a site to actively promote non-conservative candidates and issues that are not conservative and fail to understand that if they want that then they are not conservative and should go elsewhere because ther are bound to be sites open to debate and arguing or rino support and for moderates.

But this site, in my opinion, is just for conservatives. The ball game has changed and as it seems to me that a lot of people were divided on candidates this election cycle because it is so confusing. But, at the same time, we knew who was the moderate establishment candidate and that was Romney.

Conservative were betrayed by him and he is a man of no conviction. Therefore, we here have a right to go after him and have a right to not vote for him. None of us are re-electing Obama by voting third party or writing in a name instead we are standing on convictions. And those voting for Romney are selling their principals out, if they even were conservative at all. They help Obama win re-election by falling into Obama’s and the GOP establishment’s trap in the general.

So, in my opinion, there were a bunch of Obama people, as well as die hard Romney supporters, on this site at various times trying to demoralize the users and to promote Romney so Obama can win re-election. And looks like the 2012 election for president has become a night mare election.

I can do nothing about who gets banned, I’m just a user. But a lot of them were people who were actively breaking rules or who disagreed with this site, which happens, but they went a bit too far by promoting Rinos.

Look it has become a mess, but last thing this site would want and needs is Romneybots all over it who would be just as bad as any Obamabots. We don’t want long arguements on petty issues. At least I don’t. We are sick of the Romney Kool-aid and their promoters. Okay.

As I understand it Romney promoters are not wanted. Romney is not conservative. This is a conservative site.


305 posted on 05/04/2012 8:46:17 AM PDT by Mozilla (Constitution Party 2012)
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To: EternalHope

Nothing, and I mean nothing could be more painful then voting for John McCain, which I did. I cannot stand the man. I only sidlike Obama more. McCain handed the election to Obama on a silver platter, when he knew exactly who and what Obama was, an enemy of this state of America. Even though Romney is not my choice for POTUS, he is ten times better then “traitor” John McCain.


306 posted on 05/04/2012 8:46:58 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX (My only objective is defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, politically!!!)
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To: Shery

I would have loved Palin but the reality is the press would have torn her apart again. At least this go around. Everyone here would have been happy voting for her but she would have lost the general. I have no doubt she would be the nominee but the press would have been merciless. Hopefully she can build up her bona fides over the next 3 years


307 posted on 05/04/2012 8:47:01 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Jim Robinson
I really admire your post. You have said what needed to be said. Our first goal is get rid of Bambi at any cost.
I have said this on other posts but more FReeper’s need to emulate what we are doing in the Deep South. The tea party in our county is very strong.

We just took over the local Repub. Central Committee and have OUR DELEGATES going to the National Convention.
We are working our way up. WE GOT RID OF A RINO STATE SENATOR AND PUT IN A TEA PARTY SENATOR. WE GOT RID OF THE BLUE DOG DEM. WHO SUCKED ON THE GOV'T TEAT FOR 20 YEARS. WE ARE PUSHING TO GET RID OF THE TRAITOR REPUB. WHO WE REPLACED THE BLUE DOG WITH.
We are winning slowly but surely.
Ladies and Gentleman we have 100 years of crap to remove.
School Boards, Boards of Aldermen, Sheriff, Make sure they all tow the line. We are force down here and the pols. know it.
I ask Mr.Robinson if you will perhaps urge other FReepers across this great land to perhaps follow or at least give thought to what I have posted.

I am a monthly but if you can hang on for about two weeks I will be sending more for the cause.
Keep up the great work. Our country needs men like you and all FReepers.

308 posted on 05/04/2012 8:47:30 AM PDT by prof.h.mandingo (Buck v. Bell (1927) An idea whose time has come (for extreme liberalism))
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To: struggle

“I’ll vote Romney no matter what. Obama MUST lose.

I also will vote for the most conservative rep. in my district and continue the pressure on Romney in 2014 by getting rid of more GOP-e candidates”

This. I don’t like Romney but I have no doubt he is a FAR better choice than Obama. Get Obama out and then work on saddling Romney with a conservative Congress.

The truce is a good policy but it doesn’t go far enough.


309 posted on 05/04/2012 8:47:35 AM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: central_va

Hey there. You know that your Governor was born in Philadelphia, PA? It took a Northerner to save your state from yourselves.


310 posted on 05/04/2012 8:48:21 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Beagle8U

The blame (100% of it) goes to those that voted for the stupid bastard in the primaries.

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Exactly!


311 posted on 05/04/2012 8:49:07 AM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama. Constitution party, here I come!)
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To: Gennie; MSSC6644
It's not a good question.
 
There have been thousands of threads and replies on the illegitimacy of the socially liberal Ron Paul. Jim Rob himself has made it clear many times that FURP is no option for true conservatives here at FRee Republic.
 
One of the many reasons I reject the GOP is the very idea that they would allow Mitt Romney as a serious candidate. And even worse - they allowed that POS Paul in the mix as spoiler for true conservatives like Perry, Bachmann, Newt, Cain and others.
 
I have greater respect for true Mitt-bot supporters than I will ever have for a Paultard. 


312 posted on 05/04/2012 8:49:34 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Jim Robinson; All

“But I will not act on my prior promises that I would actively campaign against him if he wins the nomination. Our combined movement is already torn and splintered and is going to have to be mended if we’re going to have any impact whatsoever against the liberal/progressives and statists after the election. To that end I propose a TRUCE among our conservative forces during the remainder of this election cycle.”

You greatly disappoint me. I WILL NOT SUPPORT ROMNEY EVER. IF you are going to back track on your promise to fight against Romney (hench the GOPe), then you are no better than Romney yourself. FR was the ONE place where PRINCIPLE was placed, by you, before pragmatism. Now you are abandoning this. I’m outta here. It isn’t worth staying around anymore. I won’t have a “truce” with persons that take the OBA attitude. A Romney administration will be no better than an Obama one. And, in fact, may be more dangerous in that GOP members will be obliged to back his play...no matter how stupid it may be.

Yes, we should elect conservative House and Senate members, but voting for Romney is a major mistake. I cannot back such nonsense.

You just drank cyanide in koolaid.


313 posted on 05/04/2012 8:49:46 AM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Jim Robinson

Im not sure who this truce is supposed to encompass? or why...

Respectfully... If this truce is meant to “save conservatism” then I think its a bit misguided. If we dont eliminate the “progressives” from within our camp, we will NEVER be able to effectively fight the “progressives” in the other camp and win the war.

If we cant fight the progressives in our party because we risk becoming ineffective... and... If we don’t fight we WILL be ineffective... I just gotta ask... WTF?

Lets just layout some primary objectives...

1. Purge GOP of “progressives” making it the safe haven for limited government type conservatives. This is the very first objective because there is no F’ing way that any other objective can be achieved until we do this.

2. Damage the socialists infrastructure by electing “Scott Walker” type folks to state governments. The states will be the point of the sword in killing socialism.

3. Elect folks to the FedGov that will keep the FedGov on a leash while the states assert the sovereignty they were always meant to have.

In essence, the states are going to be running the ball and the people we put in the fed gov are gonna be their offensive line. For this to work, you need everyone on the same F’ing playbook. Right now we have people from the other team in our huddles and sabotaging our strategy.

Offering a truce with the progressives in the democrat party or the republican party is suicide.


314 posted on 05/04/2012 8:51:42 AM PDT by myself6
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To: dirtboy

Wow, not only do we agree on something, we agree 100%. You said it better than I could have.


315 posted on 05/04/2012 8:51:55 AM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama. Constitution party, here I come!)
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To: rogue yam

I stand (sit actually) corrected.

lolol.

I of course have never been to San Fran Freak Show. Or Berzerkeley either. But I know you’re right. I offer a retraction. And sympathies for you and your girlfirend on having to live where you do.


316 posted on 05/04/2012 8:52:54 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Jeff Head; Jim Robinson
It's about time for this discussion. Thanks for opening it up.

My thoughts about Romney are a bit different. I don't like him, trust him, or hope for a revolution from his administration, but it's important to suck it up and vote for him anyway because:

1. The alternative is simply horrible. Four more years of Bambi is unthinkable. They will destroy everything good we all care about and live for.
2. The down ticket races have to win, we have to get more conservatives in so that Romney can be pressured, and unfortunately if we work against Romney we hurt the chances of conservatives winning down ticket and ever being effective.
3. Romney is still an unknown in the following areas: Will he stick with his stated pro-life positions? Will he be a good steward of the free market because of his business experience? Will he restore sanity to our armed forces? Will he try to "reach across the aisle" with these traitors or will he try to unite a somewhat conservative coalition to govern? Lots of questions that we can only guess. We know what Bambi brings, total destruction of all that we love.

I had the pleasure of meeting and listening to Breitbart a few short weeks before he died. His statement to all of us (conservatives of all stripes: pro-Newt, pro-Santorum, pro-crazy uncle, etc) conservatives was to work like Hell for your candidate, but in the end, if you didn't unite around who won, you were simply caving to and allowing the most destructive and evil administration ever to win. I agreed then, and still do.

317 posted on 05/04/2012 8:53:04 AM PDT by Lakeshark (NbIttoalbl,cRwIdtaa)
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To: backwoods-engineer
So, I will vote my conscience--probably Virgil Goode of the Constitution party--and let the rest of the deluded sheeple decide which statist gets into the White House.

Same here. Just because Jim's declared a truce doesn't translate into FreeRepublic becoming a pro-Romney site.

318 posted on 05/04/2012 8:53:16 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (FUMR)
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To: delapaz
"I will call it by it’s true name: Surrender. Surrender to the RINO establishment. Surrender to Rockefeller Republicans. Surrender to GOP Liberals."

I don't call it that..I call it walking away with my choice and leaving them with theirs....


319 posted on 05/04/2012 8:53:16 AM PDT by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: greyfoxx39

I had not considered that aspect of this. Thanks, Grey.


320 posted on 05/04/2012 8:53:29 AM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama. Constitution party, here I come!)
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