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To: Jim Robinson; donmeaker
Please don't hammer me for this:
But it is entirely possible to be pro-life and conservative without also being hard shell evangelical and refusing to recognize confluence of interests in favor of the "my way or the highway" attitude that permeates much of FR's debate.
1,517 posted on 05/12/2012 5:17:35 PM PDT by norton
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To: norton

I am glad that what you say is true. I am familiar with the ‘hard shell’ types, having attended Evangel College in 1975 and 1976, but am not one.

There used to be such a thing as Christian Liberalism, in contrast to the monarchists and socialists who ever sought to increase state power. Christian Liberals pointed out the inefficiency and corruption of government programs, and as a counter, developed and provided private charity.

Christian liberals began the abolition movement, and saw it to fruition. Beecher was a famous abolitionist preacher, and his daughter, Harriet Ward Beecher Stowe wrote “Uncle Tom’s Cabin” which laid out the essential honesty of “Uncle Tom” and personified the evil of the slave power in Simon Legree.

The modern conservative movement is based on what is sometimes called classical liberalism, a counter to the progressive movement. As the Progressives once again pushed greater government power, and the paternal care of the ignorant slaves (this time not just blacks) the classical liberals continued to provide private hospitals, private dormitories for the indigent, and offered paths to prosperity through private colleges. State colleges and teacher training schools (normal schools) were developed, funded by federal land grants. Homestead acts provided opportunity for millions.

As reward for these many successful programs to help the helpless, the progressives called them ‘Social Darwinists’ to provide a strawman contrast to the Progressive Eugenics movement. The progressive Margaret Sanger sought to put her Eugenic Principle into practice by aborting as many children children of ‘inferior types’ as possible.

We still see the progressive movement today, as they sell poison and call it food, sell murder and call it health care, sell taxes, and call it a pension, sell government power and call it a benefit to the people, sell slavery and call it freedom.

Lies are what they do, until they can steal. They steal until they can enslave. Then they enslave and bring along its necessary servants, torture and kidnapping. If one resists their torture and kidnapping, they they are pleased to resort to murder.

You don’t have to be a Christian to be opposed to lies, theft, slavery, torture, kidnapping and murder. Many Jews are also, and take seriously the Talmudic direction to look at slavery as if bound with the slave. Many atheists see that theft and slavery lead to a society worse in all respects than a society of free people, and thus need no religious sanction to oppose the progressives. Pagans, a smaller minority even than atheists, thrive on freedom, and would lose religious liberty under the mandatory atheism of the progressive movement.


1,518 posted on 05/13/2012 10:51:07 AM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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