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Al Qaeda threatens wildfires in US, fire officials ready (are fire officials kidding?)
abclocal.go ^ | 5-2012 | Montanez

Posted on 05/04/2012 12:18:17 PM PDT by doug from upland

FRESNO, Calif. (KFSN) -- An al Qaeda website is now calling for recruits to set wildfires in the United States. The targets of the fires are areas prone to dry conditions, like California.

Both Cal Fire and the U.S. Forest Service said they are taking the threats seriously -- but they're not worried, they said.

The agencies tell Action News they're ready for wildfires, no matter what or who causes them.

"Ever since 9/11 we've had a heightened sense of awareness for terrorism and we do talk about that," said Cal Fire Battalion Chief Julie Hutchinson. "In the last three to four years we have had an inkling that it's something that's out there."

al Qaeda's online magazine, 'Inspire,' provides instructions on how to set off the terror events. The magazine describes, in detail, how to follow weather maps to target the driest areas. It also calls for fires in remote, wooded communities.

"Fire season is coming up on us and this is just one more indicator that we need to be ready," said Sierra National Forest Fire Chief Joseph Reyes.

Reyes said his fire fighters prepare for just about everything, including arsonists.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; fires; forests; forestservice; publicland; terrorism; threats
Our own Greenie terrorists have effectively blocked forest management and getting rid of dead wood. That is why we have had huge conflagrations. I have been worried about this for years. It is the easiest terrorist action possible and they wouldn't have to commit suicide. We are not prepared for the possibility of perhaps scores or hundreds of fires. How many potential terrorists live among us who are ready to go?
1 posted on 05/04/2012 12:18:41 PM PDT by doug from upland
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To: doug from upland
An al Qaeda website is now calling for recruits to set wildfires in the United States.

This is nothing more than anti0bama rhetoric before the election.

We all know that the WOT is over!

2 posted on 05/04/2012 12:21:39 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: doug from upland
Both Cal Fire and the U.S. Forest Service said they are taking the threats seriously -- but they're not worried, they said.

Oh? Why is it then that they going flying off across the country to help fight a wildfire out of state, if there are enough firefighters to handle a crisis. What if there are multiple fires in several states at once?

3 posted on 05/04/2012 12:25:27 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: doug from upland

If you shoot an islamist terrorist trying to start a fire in the woods and nobody is around to hear, does the falling body make a sound?


4 posted on 05/04/2012 12:26:01 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: doug from upland

Texas had a bad drought last year and many fires.
Most of them were determined to be arson.
Then there’s the ‘occupy’ domestic terrorists.
Oh, and the fire departments budgets are depleted.
On the bright side... it is Friday! Have a safe weekend.


5 posted on 05/04/2012 12:27:52 PM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: doug from upland

I’ve always thought that might be used as a terror tactic someday.


6 posted on 05/04/2012 12:28:41 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... so should voting!)
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To: doug from upland

The islamo-nazis better worry that some Americans might get fed up with them and start setting fire to mosques and CAIR offices.


7 posted on 05/04/2012 12:28:49 PM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: doug from upland

The islamo-nazis better worry that some Americans might get fed up with them and start setting fire to mosques and CAIR offices.


8 posted on 05/04/2012 12:28:58 PM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: FatherofFive
The three s's in full effect for those who dare to start forestfires. Smokey approved.
9 posted on 05/04/2012 12:30:29 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: FatherofFive

Shoot, shovel & shut-up.


10 posted on 05/04/2012 12:32:22 PM PDT by carriage_hill (((.)))
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To: carriage_hill

a few dedicated terrorists could cause awful destruction when the hot dry winds blow this summer. One nut caused a great deal of problems a few years back—what if there were teams of them? Still, it depends on the terrorists knowing a few things about wild fires—and that might be too much for them. They do not need huge bombs or toxic agents to cause havoc.


11 posted on 05/04/2012 12:39:58 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: doug from upland
Smokey said it best ... Only you can prevent forest fires. Smokey was ahead of his time.
12 posted on 05/04/2012 12:40:17 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: no-to-illegals
Smokey said it best ... Only you can prevent forest fires. Smokey was ahead of his time.

Wish he never left the Miracles.

13 posted on 05/04/2012 12:41:32 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: doug from upland

Entire square miles of forest in Colorado are denuded because of the lodge pole pine beetle infestation. It is a conflagration waiting to happen.


14 posted on 05/04/2012 12:44:49 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: dfwgator

Miracles do and did happen. ... I Second That Emotion. Smokey and the Miracles.


15 posted on 05/04/2012 12:48:08 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: doug from upland

Califonia does not need al Queda start forest fires. The illegals from Mexico are already doing that.


16 posted on 05/04/2012 12:50:01 PM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: no-to-illegals

The miracle is that the Miracles actually did have a hit without Smokey, “I’m Just a Love Machine”.


17 posted on 05/04/2012 12:51:23 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: All

NOTE: Dr. Bill Wattenburg has been all over this issue for a couple decades. He is a great talk show host on KGO in San Francisco

The “Let Our Forests Burn Policy” is Criminal and Stupid—It Must be Re-examined by the Scientists of This Nation

by Dr. Bill Wattenburg

August 18, 1998

A major focus of the environmental movement and ecology studies is supposed to be the preservation of our natural resources. But many self-proclaimed ecologists in high academic and government positions actively promote a policy of “let forest fires burn” which they know can result in the total incineration of many of our forests and all living things therein. Many other good scientists and experienced foresters who have seen the consequences consider this blanket policy to be grossly irresponsible, if not often outright insane, considering the explosive condition of our forests today. Forest fires do promote forest renewal, but only when the fires do not destroy far more than can be renewed. There was a time when most of our forests were fire tolerant. That is not the case today, as described below. The “let forest fires burn” dogma can at best be called a religion because there is no science that says that a forest totally destroyed is better for the ecology long-term than a forest that continues to live.

The 1988 fire that destroyed almost 40 percent of the Yellowstone forest and its once rich ecology is a ghastly example of horrible judgment that the “let forest fires burn” promoters are still trying to rationalize (with tens of millions of dollars of scarce government research funds). The recent monstrous fires in Florida are another good example of what will eventually happen in all of our forested areas unless we mount a national campaign to clean up our forests and return them to fire safe conditions. The U.S. Interior Department has spent more money in the last ten years to rationalize what its National Park Service dogma of “let fires burn” did to Yellowstone in 1988 than would have been required to construct protective fire breaks and conduct controlled burns that could have saved both the Yellowstone and Florida forests.

I am a scientist who grew up in our national forests. I have fought forest fires at dangerous times and help managed controlled burns at proper times for the last forty years. I was one of ten thousand called upon, too late, to try to stop the burning of the Yellowstone forests in 1988. Defiant National Park Service bureaucrats, humming their religious “let it burn” mantra, ordered that hundreds of lightening fires be allowed to rage unchecked during the most dangerous fire season in decades. Experienced government firefighters and knowledgeable scientists alike pleaded with the park officials to stop these fires before they joined up and became an unstoppable fire storm. The park service officials wouldn’t listen. They insisted that there was some divine difference between a fire started by a man-made match and a fire ignited by a lightening strike.

Any thinking person can easily understand and respect the vast difference between the “natural fires” of a hundred years ago and the all-consuming forest fires of today. When our forests were in fire equilibrium, frequent forest–cleansing ground fires (usually caused by lightening) reduced the combustible fuel load on the forest floor. Native Americans often torched brushy areas that Nature did not clean up in time. These natural fires periodically burned the brush, debris, and excessive numbers of small trees. This was mother nature’s way of cleaning house – without burning down the house. Anyone who walks through an old-growth forest can see the burn marks on the lower trunks of many big trees as evidence that the natural fires of long ago seldom reached the lower limbs of big trees which would cause them to ignite and in turn create a fire storm that incinerates everything else in the forest. Unfortunately, a fire storm is what usually happens in forest fires during peak fire season today.

Very few natural fires can occur today because most of our forests are not in equilibrium. Man stopped most natural forest fires a hundred years ago. Incendiary conditions now prevail because of decades of accumulated brush, debris, and thickets of small trees on the forest floors. This unnatural fuel load creates intensely hot forest fires that ignite the big trees and destroy every living thing in the forest. Massive amounts of precious top soil is then washed away from hillsides before new root structure can save it. Failure to recognize this difference between the consequences of natural fires of a century ago and unchecked forest fires of today can be disastrous for our forests, as the 1988 Yellowstone fire demonstrated.

Nevertheless, officials in charge of our national parks and forests actually espouse the theory that there is something divine about lightening-caused fires as compared to man-caused fires. They approve stopping a runaway campfire, but won’t allow firefighters to extinguish lightening fires. This is what happened in Yellowstone in the summer of 1988. Can anyone even suggest with a straight face that the progress of a raging forest fire is dictated by whether man or nature provided the first spark? There is not a shred of evidence that mother nature preferentially directs its lightening bolts at forested areas that deserve to be burned—as the “let fires burn” religion seems to believe.

The cruel irony is that any camper who lets an uncontrolled campfire burn even a few square meters of national forest will be charged with a criminal act, while a government agency that deliberately incinerated 320,000 hectares of our most beautiful national park is then allowed to spend tens of millions of dollars of scarce research funds to cover up its acts of horrendous negligence based on unforgivable ignorance of the consequences of inappropriately applying their “let forest fires burn” dogma. Anyone who doubts this should take a look at the forest of blackened carcasses and scorched landscape that still typifies most of the burned areas in Yellowstone today and assess for themselves whether what was done in 1988 by park officials was an act of divine wisdom—or an act of such incredibly low-grade stupidity that it must be covered up at all cost by National Park Service officials.

Many experienced foresters and scientists believe that a long-term program of constructing fire breaks and conducting controlled burns during off-peak fire season is the only way we can clean up and protect our national forests and avoid their eventual destruction by “unnaturally” intense forest fires during peak fire season.

Ironically, many national groups that call themselves environmentalists opposed a bill in congress that would build fire breaks in three large national forests in northern California as the primary objective of sustained-yield timber harvesting operations on these forests. This plan is called the Quincy Library Group plan. It was formulated by local environmentalists, the U.S. Forest Service, and timber industry representatives meeting in Quincy, California, over several years. A bill to implement this plan was approved overwhelmingly in the House of Representatives by both parties. In press reports, the President praised the plan as an example of what he wanted when he asked for compromise, not confrontation over the issue of managing our national forests. Nevertheless, national environmental groups such as the Sierra Club have lobbied selected U.S. Senators such as Barbara Boxer from California to stop the bill in the Senate because these groups claim that approval of any activity by man in our national forests will lead automatically to expanded exploitation of the forests. But they, the self-styled environmentalists, are quite willing to watch these same forests go up in smoke! They know that all our forests, even the few remaining old growth forests that they claim they are protecting, eventually will be burned to blackened stumps if there is no way to stop unnatural forest fires or at least limit their extent during peak fire season.

To protect our national forests and parks until they can be returned to fire equilibrium, firefighters must have defensive fire breaks. Adequate fire breaks require only thinning excessive numbers of small trees and reducing the fuel and debris on the forest floor, not removing the big trees, just as nature once did with natural forest fires. Then controlled burns can be safely attempted in isolated sections and lightening fires can be allowed to burn in off-peak times because they will be limited in area by surrounding fire breaks. Eventually, the entire forest becomes a fire break because it has returned to fire equilibrium. This is the only sensible and sane “let forest fires burn” policy that congress should allow. This is the Quincy Library Group plan.

Fortunately, the Quincy Library Group plan was finally approved by in the Senate in the fall of 1998. However, there are already indications that the Clinton White House will buckle under to the power-hungry so-called environmental organizations, such as the Sierra Club, and resist implementation of the law.

All scientists who care about our national parks and forests must demand a national debate and assessment of the “let forest fires burn” policy. Otherwise, more of our most precious natural resources such as the Yellowstone forest will be senselessly sacrificed as guinea pigs for poorly supported ecological theories that are not consistent with the conditions of today. I think any scientist should take great offense to the implication that only those who anoint themselves as modern “fire ecologists” are fit to judge what is sensible policy for the management of our forests. Any thinking person, scientist for sure, can easily understand the basics of this subject and the consequences of fire in any given forest today. Letting forest fires burn during high fire season with the present incendiary conditions of our forests is as stupid and irresponsible as telling people to build campfires next to the gas pumps at service stations.

Dr. Bill Wattenburg is a Research Scientist with The University Foundation, California State University Chico (Chico, CA 95929).


18 posted on 05/04/2012 12:56:39 PM PDT by doug from upland (Just in case, it has been reserved: www.TheBitchIsBack2012.com)
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To: doug from upland

Yep. We have our own homegrown lefties that like doing the same thing.


19 posted on 05/04/2012 12:58:11 PM PDT by b4its2late (Patience is not a virtue, it is a waste of time.)
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To: GSWarrior

Not being allowed to thin forests and clean up all the dead fuel is why we have enormous fires.


20 posted on 05/04/2012 12:58:44 PM PDT by doug from upland (Just in case, it has been reserved: www.TheBitchIsBack2012.com)
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To: dfwgator
Those certainly were the days. America is not a former shell of itself. Believe in Miracles (here) as did President Reagan, and have always thought, our best days are in front of us. Just some minor cleanup to do with those who desire Americans harm is all which needs doing. Americans have seen many Miracles (in our history). God always has a few more (Miracles) up in Heaven waiting to shower down (imho), when God decides to make it so.
21 posted on 05/04/2012 12:59:02 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: doug from upland

That could work out. Apparently Al Qaeda is declaring war on Bambi and not just on our women and children. The far left doesn't mind when terrorists kill ordinary, decent people, but they could turn on the terrorists if wild animals are harmed. What would Ayman al-Zawahiri do without Code Pink, the mainstream media, and the Democrat Party supporting him?

Don't the terrorists realize that forest fires release massive amounts of CO2, potentially melting the ice caps and exterminating billions of endangered species?

22 posted on 05/04/2012 1:02:51 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Can we afford as much government as welfare-addicted voters demand?)
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To: doug from upland
We've already been through one Fiery H*** here in AZ started by Illegals/Cartel in the Coronado National Forest .

So we're mad as h***, al-Qaeda tries it here they won't like the welcome they get.

23 posted on 05/04/2012 1:04:16 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: FatherofFive
If you shoot an islamist terrorist trying to start a fire in the woods and nobody is around to hear, does the falling body make a sound?

Yes.They sound exactly like a turd falling into the toilet bowl.
24 posted on 05/04/2012 1:06:30 PM PDT by rickomatic
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To: doug from upland

I was talking to a friend of mine last year and I brought up the possibility the fires (in AZ) might have been started by the cartels in order to divert attention from “precious” shipments (weapons, AQ terrorists etc).


25 posted on 05/04/2012 1:10:43 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: doug from upland

The Japs tried this


26 posted on 05/04/2012 1:12:45 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (We are the 53%. 47% of Americans pay no taxes; end the free ride...)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
yep,

A fire balloon (風船爆弾 fūsen bakudan?, lit. "balloon bomb"), or Fu-Go, was a weapon launched by Japan during World War II.

27 posted on 05/04/2012 1:18:52 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: FatherofFive

No but the waste of a bullet and the laughing of the shooter will.


28 posted on 05/04/2012 1:44:34 PM PDT by Jack Burton007 (This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.)
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To: ScottinVA

I think they have been doing this for awhile.

I have never heard of fires in the numbers that I have these past few years. You heard about the odd one, but I have no doubt the terrorists have already been lighting fires.


29 posted on 05/04/2012 1:51:41 PM PDT by JudyinCanada
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To: GSWarrior

The deforestration has been caused by the Forest Service and their dangerous policies - besides the FS has directly caused two of Colorado’s largest fires. They should all be fired!


30 posted on 05/04/2012 2:08:27 PM PDT by Rockiette (Democrats are not intelligent)
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To: doug from upland

Blaming some of the fires on illegals may be true but the FACT is, here in Colorado, we’ve had the last two major fires started by The Forest Service!!!! They are the idiots along with the Secretary Salazar and his America-hating agenda.


31 posted on 05/04/2012 2:13:32 PM PDT by Rockiette (Democrats are not intelligent)
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To: Rockiette

Are you saying the beetle infestation was caused by or has been exacerbated by USFS policy? Or are you saying the beetle infestation itself is a myth?


32 posted on 05/04/2012 2:20:03 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: doug from upland

Burning witches at the stake was barbaric, but it might be the appropriate punishment for arsonists.


33 posted on 05/04/2012 3:03:27 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: doug from upland

Doug, you really don’t expect bureaucrats to tell the truth, do you?

The last house standing in CA could be burning, yet the “officials” would still claim the situation “under control”.


34 posted on 05/04/2012 3:09:58 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: evets

We are still a tender box here in the heart of Tx. Bastrop is about 30 miles from where I live. We have had exactly 2 1/2 inches of rain since those fires, and of course all of the rivers and lakes are either dry or extremely low.

Very worrisome, indeed!


35 posted on 05/04/2012 5:37:36 PM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: doug from upland

The illegal alien drug cartels have been burning up thousands of acres every year and that doesn’t seem to bother anyone, why should another group of foreign terrorists upset us?

One fire alone, the LaBrea Fire, proven set by Mexican cartels, burned up in 88,000 acres in Calif a couple years ago.


36 posted on 05/04/2012 5:52:30 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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