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France’s Turn for the Worse... Europe’s far right has already won
Slate ^ | 5/4/2012 | Yascha Mounk

Posted on 05/05/2012 8:51:03 AM PDT by darrellmaurina

On Sunday, by almost every indication, François Hollande, who has been leading in the polls for months, will defeat Nicolas Sarkozy and become France’s next president. Hollande’s Socialist Party, which hasn’t ousted an incumbent president in over three decades, has every reason to celebrate. But the true winner of this election isn’t France’s left; it’s Europe’s far right. The reason is simple. In this election, France’s establishment has embraced Islamophobic ideas to an unprecedented degree. Right-wing populism, once a fringe phenomenon, has been conquering the bastions of Europe’s political mainstream with frightening speed; even so, most observers failed to predict the extent to which anti-immigrant themes would shape this campaign. It’s difficult to know whether Europe’s populists are approaching the zenith of their power or will continue their steady rise. But one thing is certain: At no point in Europe’s postwar history has the far right’s influence been as pervasive as it is now. Two weeks ago, in the first round of the presidential elections, nearly one in five French voters opted for Marine Le Pen, the leader of the extremist Front National party. Marine, who replaced her father, Jean-Marie, as party leader a little over a year ago, has donned a cloak of respectability, severing the organization’s ties to the most flagrant neo-Nazi and anti-Semitic groups. But the core of her appeal remains unchanged: It consists of hatred of Muslim immigrants, along with everyone else she considers alien to the French nation. Her tactic of giving racism a pretty veneer has clearly worked well. In her first run for president, she already gained a greater share of the vote than her father ever managed to muster.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: eucrisis; france; franceelection; franoishollande; hollande; islamophobia; lepen; sarkozy
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To: darrellmaurina
On Sunday, by almost every indication, François Hollande, who has been leading in the polls for months, will defeat Nicolas Sarkozy and become France’s next president. Hollande’s Socialist Party, which hasn’t ousted an incumbent president in over three decades, has every reason to celebrate.

France is already a socialist state, so electing a socialist will not solve their socio-economic problems. They cannot continue to give everybody everything they want by borrowing money, increasing taxes, and blaming somebody else (Bush?).

Has Spain's economy fared well with a socialist in charge? Socialists are good at spending someone else's money, but eventually they run out, vis-à-vis the economic collapse of Russia under communism.

21 posted on 05/05/2012 10:08:35 AM PDT by olezip
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To: darrellmaurina

The result is that that even when they correctly identify the problem, they come up with wrong solutions because the right solutions aren’t even on their radar screens.

Very well said, and very true of the USA, as well.


22 posted on 05/05/2012 10:10:01 AM PDT by WestwardHo
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To: darrellmaurina
Right-wing populism, once a fringe phenomenon, has been conquering the bastions of Europe’s political mainstream

Since the Nazi's were socialist also, I am not sure I follow the thinking.

23 posted on 05/05/2012 10:29:50 AM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: WestwardHo

We agree, WestwardHo.

BTW, I noticed in a prior post you references Fort Sumner and other places in New Mexico. Are you from Fort Sumner? Many years ago I was the police, military and religion reporter for the Clovis News Journal.


24 posted on 05/05/2012 11:01:20 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: kabar
This is more than just about Muslims.

Only slightly more I would guess. Look at Gert Wilder's books and speeches. I suspect if he had his way the Muslims would be deported.

No one but an uniformed fool believes that Muslims can ever live peaceably within a religious culture that is not Islamic dominated.

What Islam Isn’t  

By Dr. Peter Hammond

FrontPageMagazine.com | Monday, April 21, 2008  

The following is adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond’s book:
Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat:
Islam is not a religion nor is it a cult. It is a complete system.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic and military components. The religious component is a beard for all the other components.

Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called ‘religious rights.’

When politically correct and culturally diverse societies agree to ‘the reasonable’ Muslim demands for their ‘religious rights,’ they also get the other components under the table. Here’s how it works (percentages source CIA: The World Fact Book (2007)).

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:

United States — Muslim 1.0%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1%-2%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:

Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.

They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. ( United States ).

France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — Muslim 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad &Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris –car-burnings). Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam - Mohammed cartoons).

Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 10-15%

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:

Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:

Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:

Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:

Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace — there’s supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:

Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 99.9%

Of course, that’s not the case. To satisfy their blood lust, Muslims then start killing each other for a variety of reasons. ‘Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world and all of us against the infidel. – Leon Uris, ‘The Haj’ It is good to remember that in many, many countries, such as France, the Muslim populations are centered around ghettos based on their ethnicity. Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. Therefore, they exercise more power than their national average would indicate.

25 posted on 05/05/2012 11:19:00 AM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period, and by election day you won't like him either.)
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To: itsahoot
Immigration period is the problem not only in Europe but the US. Yes, Muslims exacerbate things due to their religious and cultural differences, but assimilation has become a major problem in Europe and the US.

Europe is now having second thoughts about the Schengen Agreement and the free movement of labor within the EU. Borders do matter--even if the immigrants are from other EU countries. I have lived 13 years in five Euopean countries. Europe does not do a good job of assimilation.

The US is being colonized by the Third World. We are developing our own ghettos, e.g., LA, Miami, Detroit, etc.

The nation’s immigrant population (legal and illegal) reached 40 million in 2010, the highest number in our history. The U.S. immigrant population has doubled since 1990, nearly tripled since 1980, and quadrupled since 1970, when it stood at 9.7 million. Of the 40 million immigrants in the country in 2010, 13.9 million arrived in 2000 or later making it the highest decade of immigration in American history, even though there was a net loss of jobs during the decade. Growth in the immigrant population has primarily been driven by high levels of legal immigration. Roughly three-fourths of immigrants in the country are here legally. With nearly 12 million immigrants, Mexico was by far the top immigrant-sending country, accounting for 29 percent of all immigrants and 29 percent of growth in the immigrant population from 2000 to 2010. The median age of immigrants in 2010 was 41.4 compared to 35.9 for natives.

26 posted on 05/05/2012 12:32:29 PM PDT by kabar
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Yes, Muslims exacerbate things due to their religious and cultural differences, but assimilation has become a major problem in Europe and the US.

Could you point t one place in the world where Islam has assimilated?

27 posted on 05/05/2012 4:58:39 PM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period, and by election day you won't like him either.)
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26 posted on Sat May 05 2012 14:32:29 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by kabar: “The US is being colonized by the Third World. We are developing our own ghettos, e.g., LA, Miami, Detroit, etc. The nation’s immigrant population (legal and illegal) reached 40 million in 2010, the highest number in our history. The U.S. immigrant population has doubled since 1990, nearly tripled since 1980, and quadrupled since 1970, when it stood at 9.7 million. Of the 40 million immigrants in the country in 2010, 13.9 million arrived in 2000 or later making it the highest decade of immigration in American history...”

I understand your point, but I believe three qualifications need to be made.

First, Muslim immigration is in an entirely different category from immigration in the 1800s and early 1900s from Northern Europe and from Southern or Eastern Europe, and immigration since the 1960s from Hispanic countries and from Asia. Muslim immigration carries problems unique to itself. In the past, most immigrants came to America because of its economic, political or religious freedoms (or all three together) and wanted to preserve those freedoms. We have never before had a significant group that didn't want those freedoms but instead viewed them as a threat, and intend to reject key Western values on which America was founded.

Second, while it's obvious we're having massive immigration in terms of raw numbers, I'd be interested in seeing numbers based on population percentages rather than raw numbers. Yes, we have more immigrants today, but there was a day when the United States had a far smaller population than it does today — the whole country had fewer people at the end of the Revolutionary War (3.9 million) than the combined population today of the New York City boroughs of Manhattan and Brooklyn — and I think the massive immigration of the 1800s may have been a significantly higher percentage of the population than what we're seeing today.

Third, there was a day when large parts of the rural Midwest spoke German, Dutch, or various other northern European languages of farmer immigrants, and large parts of our cities were filled not only with northern European immigrants but also impoverished ethnic ghettos where Italian, Yiddish, or various Eastern European languages were spoken and where much of the population was illiterate even in its native language and members of those immigrant groups went to work in horrible factory conditions. Our Hispanic immigration is following long-established patterns of immigration from Southern and Eastern Europe, filling bottom-of-the-barrel unskilled labor jobs that many Americans simply refuse to do, but in the process getting a bad reputation for a variety of social ills.

I don't see immigration as being a key problem in the United States. It **IS** a key problem in Europe, but the problem is that the immigrants are bringing fundamentally anti-Western values and European nations no longer have a shared Judeo-Christian ethic which teaches the value of work and personal discipline.

I'm not unaware of the problems of Hispanic immigration. I do believe in a Protestant work ethic, and that needs to be taught today to Hispanic immigrants for many of the same reasons it needed to be taught to Eastern and Southern Europeans in the 1800s. My ancestors were Italian, by the way, and phrases like “dirty Dago” and “wop” were once used the same way Americans today use “wetback” and “dirty Mexican.”

The bottom line, however, is that Europe's problems are multiple orders of magnitude worse because its immigration is coming from nations which are fundamentally hostile to Western culture in ways that Latin America is not.

28 posted on 05/05/2012 6:52:52 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: darrellmaurina

well at least it can be said that things are Ducky in Denmark

http://www.sullivan-county.com/id3/denmark.htm


29 posted on 05/05/2012 7:17:22 PM PDT by jimsin
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To: darrellmaurina
My ancestors were Italian

Your ancestors entered the U.S. legally, which demonstrated respect for their new country's laws.

30 posted on 05/05/2012 7:56:31 PM PDT by Praxeologue
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