Skip to comments.Why Christians and Patriots CANNOT vote for Mitt Romney (Vanity)
Posted on 05/05/2012 9:22:38 AM PDT by Waywardson
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Long live the Republic!
Obama makes me look back fondly at the days of Clinton.
Sure. Go run a conservative for Mayor of DC and see what happens.
Oh, well, I’ll just vote for Ralph Nader then..if he’s running for the umpteen hundredth time... or maybe I’ll write in Ross Perot. /s
As far as Sarah Palin goes, you note that she is supporting Romney as an ABO. Haven't you sensed her total lack of enthusiasm for Romney since Day 1 of the campaign? I'm guessing that her schedule will suddenly be full on all the days which Romney would like her to appear with him.
Yes you are. Whichever one wins, you're riding it-- along with the rest of us. That's reality. Deal with it.
Well, I am encouraged by all those souls posting and emailing me with their firm commitment to principle. For those who missed the show or this thread or those who want to debate the actual substance of my argument, as opposed to say just spouting off about their feelings, here is the link to the pod cast.
America’s Wake Up Call. Why Christian’s and Patriot’s cannot vote for Mitt Romney. http://americaswakeupcall.net/shows/AWC006NoMittRomney.mp3
If the very concept that Romney is a lessor evil or that any traitor within a cause is a lessor evil is still something you cling to, or if you want to just hear a good case for why this myth, this lie is the greatest poison we have ever been given, listen to this case here: http://americaswakeupcall.net/shows/AWC001-PrimerFirstShow.mp3
If you really listen to both and THEN say I am wrong and can articulate the error in my case, I will listen and engage in a serious debate. If not, oh well, I tried.
PS: My book on this subject will be released in January, by then, events will have proven me right and I will make the case about how to CHANGE our tactics to not only survive Obama’s second term, but how to actually ADVANCE and WIN against the enemies within.
God Bless us all. We surely need it more than ever before.
Not true. We are NOT on either train. Both are going to crash. And then in 6 months you will come walking back into town sans all your luggage and we will say “I told you so” in the most firm but charitable way possible and then begin working together opposing ALL that Obama tries to do.
I like your screen name !!
“Nuts” is the reply to those asking me to drink Robamby Aide.
>>>Deal with it.
I am dealing with it. I will not submit. To Obama. To Willard. Or to Islam.
What part of 'free Elections' - in jeopardy - might escape you? You think by 'next four' they too; will not have been 'challenged'/undermined by Obama?
Better read the 'small print' of what this pathological, narcissist. . .mouthpiece; is doing; on behalf of powers; who are in NO WAY vested in America; nor have they our Country's best interest at hand.
Even at the top of this ugly pyramid power scam; there is bad; and there is disastrous and irrecoverable by non-redeemable damage; that stands as morbid threat to every American and future generations of Americans.
Can you NOT smell - see - the smoke of our Constitution burning; by the Obama hand
thanks ... consider forwarding the url to everyone you know !
We have a radical, racist Marxist in the WH who hates this country. He was mentored by Frank Marshall Davis, spent 20 years in the church of Rev. Wright who married him and baptized his children, used Bill Ayers and Bernadette Dorhn to launch his political career, employed as a Community Organizer collaborating with groups like ACORN, marched with Farrakhan, and embraced Critical Race Theory and professor Derrick Bell. We know very little about him. No school records. Questionable birth certificate.
And we have some people trying to hand out this happy horsesh*t that Romney is more dangerous to this Republic than Obama. Do they think we are stupid? They can vote for whomever they want, just don't tell us that Obama is the preferred choice over Romney or anyone else who will be on the ballot.
That is the bare truth of the thing.
No Republican has ever won without the Christian Right.
What bothers me about all these 'pragmatic' Republican wonks is that their appeasement is actually STOPPING the rise of a Conservative candidate. That Romney is going to lose is a foregone conclusion - All of this screaming and crying and throwing dust in the air is not gonna change that at all... And every_single_vote for Romney is a vote against Conservative principles and against the rise of a Conservative that everyone could vote *FOR*.
The enablers, the appeasers, the defenders of the indefensible are always the very CAUSE of the downfall of liberty. ...Loyalists
Oh dear ...
Thats one of the things that will cause me to respond...
You attacked my American Loyalist ancestors...
I’m proud of each one of them...and so far I have proven certificates for FIVE of them..
and I would not have ever equated them with “the enablers, the appeasers, the defenders of the indefensible”
and I would not ever accuse them of being “the very CAUSE of the downfall of liberty”
Maybe a history lesson about the first Civil War AKA the American Revolution just might be helpful to you...
Meanwhile until you can get to a library...
Just like the Civil War 1861-1865 during the RW 1/3 of the country were rebels, 1/3 Loyalists and 1/3 could care less because it wasnt effecting them or their backyard..
Heres the background on my Loyalists...
One family was quite happily busy at work on their farm in Mahoopany on the Susquahanna River in PA (Wyoming Co)
Too busy to be enablers, appeasers, or try to be the very CAUSE of the downfall of liberty...and their lives, religion and politics as FREE ENGLISHMEN enjoying liberty was defensible...
Happy as clams they worshiped God, cleared their 500 acres grew their crops fed and raised their children and helped their neighbors ...
Some of those same neighbors burnt down their homestead and confiscated their land and drove them off..leaving the little children homeless..
The wife joined 4 other Loyalist women who were fleeing for their lives and together unaided and penniless they somehow managed to walk up through PA and NY to Canada bringing their 31 younger children to safety..Some of the children were babes in arms..our youngest was 3..
Then there was the other family on the Mohawk River in NY (Herkimer Co)
The 65 yo widow of a Leatherstocking type hero who was a captain of the Provincial Army and was killed at the Battle of Lake George (September 8 1755) ran the family trading post, enjoyed her grandchildren, and helped her neighbors..both white and Indian..
In 1711 her father had fought in the French Indians Wars also but that made no different to the neighbors who arrested her, her children and grandchildren included my TEN YEAR OLD 4th great grandmother and put them in prison ...
They burnt down that same trading post that had helped supply them to fight the French and the Indians and trapped inside the old lady’s invalid son..
One of the teenage granddaughters of the old lady was raped by the guards and died in that prison...I believe the guards would be called the good guys, the “patriots”
The family managed to escape when the guards heard that General St Leger was coming...
Gollies kid just what did those Loyalists do that could be identified as being “the enablers, the appeasers, the defenders of the indefensible are always the very CAUSE of the downfall of liberty” ???
BTW that PA family man was the great grandson of a man who had helped found New Rochelle, NY and who had GIVEN the land for one of the first churches in that city...
The arrests of Loyalists were so numerous that the prisons were overcrowded...
The rebels started using prison ships and whole families INCLUDING CHILDREN were kept in holds resulting in quite a few deaths and bad health...
I guess my Loyalist family could be regarded as lucky they were arrested before the rebels ran out of jail cells in Albany...
You all keep saying “I don’t know how someone could think Romney is a greater evil than Obama”....
You “don’t know HOW”?
Here you go. Here IS how. Listen to it. THEN, instead of posting that you are IGNORANT you can either UNDERSTAND and disagree on key issues or come to them same conclusion as I.
But, you can’t post that you “don’t know how” any more... unless you CHOOSE to remain ignorant of “how”.
Further, how does it make sense to say it violates ones principles and/or beliefs to vote for Romney, and then declare they are going to write in a non-candidate who is actually going to support and campaign for Romney. I mean, where is the logic here?
Haven't you sensed her total lack of enthusiasm for Romney since Day 1 of the campaign?
Yes, I sense that from virtually every actual conservative I know including myself. None of us here wanted Romney. He has no record of being much of a conservative. We don't know what Mitt is exactly, aside from being a successful business person (which is a point in his favor since he at least understands the private sector) and an ambitious politician who is willing to flip flop to remain politically viable. Romney will, however, be beholden to the Republican party and conservatives will at least be able to influence him. Hussein is beholden to the Democratic party and liberals most influence him. Even if Romney is the squish we all worry he is, he is STILL an order of magnitude better than Obama.
And yes, Palin is ABO and she will support and campaign for Romney. I'd agree she will mostly focus on attacking Obama, but she will speak positively about Mitt and strongly encourage conservatives to vote for him. She also specifically said conservative 3rd party voting will only help Obama. Palin wants to help defeat Obama. Period.
And we will do it again if need be.
My great great great great great great great great grandfather Financed the Revolutionary war and died penniless.
Many Loyalists escaped to French Canada. Which explains A LOT about the problems going on up north.
It seems you arent very old if it was your 8th ggf who was around during the RW
That grandmother was my 6th ggm and parents of the other family were my 5th
They all started from scatch again and managed to build up a new life in Canada
None of them ever got their lands in the US back
There was nothing to come back too..
Their patriot cousins from New Rochelle, NY joined them in Canada...
Too bad about yours but he had more of a chance to prosper again than mine did...
Why didnt he ???
Speak for yourself, nimrod.
It seems there is more going on with you than just not voting for Willard Mitt Romney...
I cannot vote FOR RINO Romney.
I said I may, but..... I know I cannot.
He is a cultist,and a supporter of all the things I cannot stand about “0”.
Does everyone have to make a decision on THIS day?
I can tell you that I WILL NOT support Romney financially.
I don’t matter to either POS so, WTH?
This is incredible in light of the 2010 elections.
Where did the Tea Party go? Apparently it was infiltrated and destroyed.
I should go and cut the lawn now.
Hey, I think I just tweeted on Freerepublic!
Better; if you believe you have the power to marshal against the 'worst' of Obama; then why not use same; to protect America against the 'Romney' MO? Far easier, I would imagine; after all; Obama is much more the practiced/rehearsed and experienced enemy. NO?
I will take Ann as 'wife of POTUS' rather than the committed Marxist/Alynskyite we know as 'Michelle'. And so should all you who would otherwise, allow Obama, four more years to deconstruct America to the 'unrecognizable'.
Again; like her husband; Michelle has a history and a mission; whereby she consistently demonstrates her hatred of America; certainly 'White America'; and thus their shared commitment to 'changing' the 'face' of America; to one that more resembles, their own. A 'face' they share with Rev. Wright; Louis Farrakhan; and that of Professor Bell.
Can add here as well; the same image projected by the host of miserable, hate-filled; loudly - proudly - identified, 'enemies of America' all of whom Obama and Michelle, call 'friends'.
No, we do NOT have that to deal with; i.e. 'traitors' by any other name; and communists/Marxists, by definition. NOT by way of Romney and family; nor friends.
No one hates this country - and so desires 'change' - more than the current occupants of our White House (and those they represent). NO one.
Far easier to keep Romney 'on track'; than Fellow Traveler, Obama, OFF. . .
Yes, a lot more. This is war for the last hope of the Republic. The enemy is at the gates and there are loyalists, enablers and traitors within. If the enemies within prevail, there will never again BE any gates over which to be concerned.
Would you mind very much if I suggested that you dont know what you are talking about ???
An excellent warning. The price ABOers are ready to pay to avoid a confrontation with Obama is way, way too steep. I'm voting third-party so that my vote counts in the total as AGAINST either one of them, so whichever socialist wins, gets the smallest plurality possible, entering office with I hope as much as 66% of registered votes being cast AGAINST him. The reality is that it will considerably weaken his political viability, yes, even Omnipotent Obama's -- when he goes into office with 66% of the popular vote against him, Obama will be a pariah in his own party and moderates will be pariahs in the GOP.
Obama's own narcissism has him convinced of his own invincibility; sadly, a lot of Republicans are buying it, too, and Romney knows that the sale represents his only chance.
Common sense tells most folks that Romney is bad news; they have to be terrorized and bullied into voting against their better judgement. That is one helluva big red flag.
Romney disgusts me - not as much as Obama does but enough that I would not celebrate a Romney win. I have it easy in my state because Obama is certain to carry my state, so my vote doesn't matter. Still, I find the title a little too strong. We all have to decide for ourselves how to vote at the top of the ticket, after voting for the most conservative House and Senate4 possible. I will not vote for Romney, but I have it easy because my vote cannot affect the electoral college results. I believe the GOP "leadership" will learn enough from losing my vote and many others that it's worth "throwing my vote away" on a write in for Newt/Palin/Cain/Bachmann/Perry/Whomever. For those in swing states, more thought is required, and I don't know the right answer from this point. The best answer would have been to field a better conservative candidate and avoid this dilemma. I hope the GOP-e are willing to tolerate that option, and that the Tea Party is organized enough to make it happen in four years.
You didn't ask me, but I have an answer: Apparently yes, when it's needed to avoid a confrontation with Obama, who frightens everyone.
If it's R vs O, I'll be voting third party in the General and OF COURSE researched conservatives all down ballot.
I'm guessing for the same reason that I won't vote for Obama or Romney: my conscience. I won't be party to either man being elected. Whether Gargantua leaves the Presidential line blank, votes for Goode (my likely action) or some other third-party candidate, or leaves the line blank, what difference does it make to you? Conservatives, of all people, shouldn't have a problem with someone voting their conscience. You vote your conscience, we'll vote ours.
As far as Sarah Palin's support, I can make up my own mind. She might be my favorite politician but I don't have to agree with her on every issue. If you lived in Arizona, would you have followed her advice in the 2010 Republican Senate primary and voted for John McCain? I wouldn't have.
He has no record of being
much of a conservative at all.
Fixed it for you.
We don't know what Mitt is exactly, aside from being a successful business person (which is a point in his favor since he at least understands the private sector)
Remember the pejorative term from the 1980s: corporate raider. It will reappear this fall, I'm certain. Bain Capital was more a corporate raider than anything else. Romney's skills as an attorney were far more in display than his business acumen. Separating corporate assets from the liabilities so that you can keep the former while sticking someone else the latter with is more in the legal domain than the business domain.
Even if Romney is the squish we all worry he is, he is STILL an order of magnitude better than Obama.
This is not as clear a call as the fear-mongers among us want to admit. Neither will do anything good for the country but Mitt Romney will most likely try to destroy the conservative movement from within the Republican Party and effectively freeze out conservatives until 2020 if elected. At least with Obama, the battle-lines with the conservatives are clearly drawn.
Nice Tagline. The list of those who need to be taken to task this winter will be a long one.
I agree..it is beyond some more than others... But I'd agree perhaps beyond you as you have stated.
Both are socialists. You sign on at your own risk...I won't give my consent to either.
So you don't know if he will or won't be worse than Obama.....because "we don't know what Mitt is exactly"... but he's just got to better than Obama somehow.
Vote anyway you want, but don't give me that happy horsesh*t about how Romney is more dangerous than Obama being in the WH over the next four years. Once Obamacare is fully implemented, the debt increased $5 trillion more, DOD eviscerated, two new SCOTUS judges, the EPA and other Obama czars strangle the US thru regulations and executive orders, and an amnesty enacted what kind of country is going to be left to salvage?
Do you have any understanding of how dire the state of the nation is? Get real.
Since 1970, the U.S. population has increased from 203 million to 310 million, i.e., over 100 million. In the next 40 years, the population will increase by an additional 130 million to 440 million. Three-quarters of the increase in our population since 1970 and the projected increase will be the result of immigration. The U.S., the worlds third most populous nation, has the highest annual rate of population growth of any developed country in the world, i.e., 0.963% (2011 estimate,) principally due to immigration.
The nations immigrant population (legal and illegal) reached 40 million in 2010, the highest number in our history. The U.S. immigrant population has doubled since 1990, nearly tripled since 1980, and quadrupled since 1970, when it stood at 9.7 million. Of the 40 million immigrants in the country in 2010, 13.9 million arrived in 2000 or later making it the highest decade of immigration in American history, even though there was a net loss of jobs during the decade. Growth in the immigrant population has primarily been driven by high levels of legal immigration. Roughly three-fourths of immigrants in the country are here legally. With nearly 12 million immigrants, Mexico was by far the top immigrant-sending country, accounting for 29 percent of all immigrants and 29 percent of growth in the immigrant population from 2000 to 2010. The median age of immigrants in 2010 was 41.4 compared to 35.9 for natives.
87 percent of the 1.2 million legal immigrants entering annually are minorities as defined by the U.S. Government and almost all of the illegal aliens are minorities. By 2019 half of the children 18 and under in the U.S. will be classified as minorities and by 2039, half of the residents of this country will be minorities. Generally, immigrants and minorities vote predominantly for the Democrat Party. Hence, Democrats view immigration as a never-ending source of voters that will make them the permanent majority party.
Since the 1965 Immigration Act, our pro-population growth immigration policies have fueled major demographic changes in a very short period of time. In 1970, non-Hispanic whites comprised 89 percent of the population; today they are 66 percent; and by 2039, they will be 50 percent. The Democrats, under the banner of multiculturalism and diversity, have forged a political coalition that depends on individuals coalescing around racial and ethnic identities rather than the issues. The continuing and increasing flow of minority immigrants, mostly poor and uneducated, provides a natural constituency for the Democrats, which see them as their principal source of political power.
Fine vote your conscience. What I have a problem with is the proposition that Romney is more dangerous to the fate of this Republic than Obama, i.e., it is preferable to have four more years of Obama. That is insane. There is no comparison between the two. An Obama win will essentially destroy this country. There will be no coming back. Time is against us along with demography.
>>And then in 6 months you will come walking back into town sans all your luggage and we will say I told you so in the most firm but charitable way possible and then begin working together opposing ALL that Obama tries to do.<<
What makes you think that we will survive six months into BOs second term? The only “town” to walk back to will be Communist with a sprinkling of Jihad.
Where exactly do you suggest we walk to?
I would like to give you examples. And I am not pimping my site. There are NO clicks or Ad words on my site and I am sending you the direct download links. You do not even need to visit the site.
But the case I am making is in a book I am writing and it is a very tough to expose all the facts in a few lines of text. Which is why I suggested listening to it, as if we were sitting down to chat. That is the tool of talk radio or podcasts. I can make a case in 30 minutes without being boring in just text.
But, as a show of sincere faith, I will put just the barest outline here before I run out to a GOP fundraiser tonight with Ken Cucinneli of VA.
The theory ranks the 5 enemies of God and Liberty 1 through 5. With 5 being the most obvious enemy requiring the least effort time and resources to defeat and #1 being the most insidious evil cancer of which all our time and efforts need be focused.
The general principle is that we have been losing for 100 years. Since Wilson we have seen only a skirmish or two won and not a single reversal of a single gain of socialism. Name One? There is none. We are the Chicago Cubs of Politics.
Therefore, we must understand WHY. Are our ideas better than theirs? Is God real and working for us? If YES, then we are we in such shape?
Betrayal from within. 100 years of compromising.
The Democrats are ranked #5,and we have spent all our time, treasure and focus on them while dying of cancer from within.
Obama IS the LEAST of our problems, and if we do not fully understand this and are not fully prepared to clean our own house first, to remove the plank from our own eye so that we can see clearly how to deal with the left, we will NEVER restore America. And we will see the 110th year of the income tax, the 5oth year of abortion and the 10th of sodomy.
And at some point, and I suggest it is THIS Point. The Romney types won’t even need to give us lip service and lie to us for our votes. We must change tactics totally and NOW before the WAR is lost.
I don’t suggest you walk anywhere. Or ride anywhere. I suggest you do as Patrick Henry and stand firm. Liberty or DEATH. Not Socialism or Compromise and try again later. As he asked then and as Reagan asked: If not now when? When we will BE stronger? When in the last 100 years has the movement been any weaker? When has the GOP been so bold as to nominate a candidate who’s own words place him to the LEFT of George McGovern? We are drawing our last breath. But those of you who see this as Obama’s doing are gravely and I do me taking us to the grave forever, gravely mistaken. Like all empires and republics, it was the very people we trusted who betray. The English were the enemy but William Wallace was betrayed by the Scottish Nobles he wanted to lead him.
Ever is it so. It is so now. Romney IS the greater EVIL. And unless we understand this NOW, once he is in, we won’t even have a real choice again. It will be left vs far left until the money runs out and we are in bondage for generations.
Maybe you just don't really know how politics and political parties work? When a conservative like Bachmann, Coburn, DeMint, etc, and soon Santorum, Newt, Palin, etc, endorse guys like Romney, many people here act all shocked and surprised. The reason is becausese many people don't understand how political party's function. To get anywhere or get anything done, politicians RELY on the party and those in it for support and backing for the things they want to do. They are all in the same boat, they depend on one another. That is the point of a party. If Palin runs again, for example, she will need Republican support in a general election - therefore she will give it to other Republicans when they need it.
Romney is coming up through the Republican party, therefore he is MORE beholden to Republicans than Obama or any Democrat. That means he has to at least consider what Republicans and conservatives want. Which means if he pisses the party base off on something, he has to throw them an extra bone somewhere else (which very often comes in the form of court nominees). Obama does not have to do ANY of that. Republican and conservative opposition to Hussein is something he takes pride in and uses on the campaign trail. Obama simply doesn't have to care what Republicans/conservatives want at all.
The choice is really not difficult here. Any nominee coming out of the Republican party at this point in time is going to be better than any nominee coming out of the Democrat party - simply based on what party the nominees are beholden to. Your vote is not an affirmative endorsement of a candidate, it is simply a choice between the only 2 candidates that have any chance to win.
Hey, people's conscience tells them to do all sorts of things. Sometimes those things sounds pretty bizarre. Nothing wrong with asking why someone would write-in a non-candidate who will be supporting the very nominee they claim their principles won't allow them to vote for.
Conservatives, of all people, shouldn't have a problem with someone voting their conscience. You vote your conscience, we'll vote ours.
It's a public forum. The person is announcing his intentions to do something that makes little sense. If someone states they plan to set themselves on fire in front of an abortion clinic because their conscience tells them to, I am going to at least ask why they think this is a wise course of action.
Bain Capital was more a corporate raider than anything else.
There is nothing wrong with Bain Capital. I only wish Newt had never run his mouth about that. I think it turned Rush and other prominent conservatives against him and seriously damaged his campaign. Will the Democrats use your argument? Sure. Then again, the Democrats make all kinds of leftist arguments.
At least with Obama, the battle-lines with the conservatives are clearly drawn.
I can at least understand this argument. RINO's can do enormous damage to the conservative cause because they give the Democrats and media cover to call things bi-partisan. Still, Hussein is a far, far bigger threat right now. If Romney muddles along as President and accomplishes next to nothing, at least we live to fight another day. The Supreme Court alone is reason enough to do everything possible to get a Republican in the White House and Obama out of it.
Thanks for the response. I’m with you.
I don’t see a lot of minds being changed in this thread. Some are going to vote for Mittens, no matter what. So won’t ever vote for Mittens, no matter what. Both sides seem to understand and be fine with the consequences of their decision.
Either way - the GOP have failed us. No one here claims to be willing to pull the lever for Romney because he’s the best choice. Pretty sad.
I am a Christian and a patriot, and—if he continues to campaign against abortion, same-sex marriage, and Obamacare—I will vote for Mitt Romney.
Maybe because Romney has won in Mass. already. He was governor. With Squaw Granny’s campaign self destructing, Romney and Scott Brown could pick this state off. If this happens it will be a coast to coast landslide.
Does it occur to you that these guys have:
3. and may be somewhat suicidal....?
just as when it comes to Islam, I will not submit.
You also refuse to choose to use the standard rules governing infinitives and capitalization.
>>Both are socialists. <<
No, BO is a Marxist.