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United Methodist Church affirms homosexuality ‘incompatible with Christian teaching’
LifeSiteNews.com ^ | 05/05/12 | Ben Johnson

Posted on 05/05/2012 3:26:01 PM PDT by fwdude

AMPA, FLORIDA, May 7, 2012, (LifeSiteNews.com) – Members of the nation’s largest mainline Protestant church voted to maintain the doctrine that homosexual actions were “incompatible with Christian teaching” on Thursday.

The United Methodist Church voted down two proposals to water down its stance on homosexuality on Thursday. One proposal called homosexuals “people of sacred worth” and acknowledged differing viewpoints on the issue, while another said humans did not know enough about human sexuality to prefer one lifestyle over another.

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One has to wonder how long the sodomites have to keep grinding down this once-holy "movement" founded by the Spirit-filled Wesleys before it breaks. But today was a good day, except for the soapbox stolen by the sodomites at the convention.
1 posted on 05/05/2012 3:26:05 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: fwdude

Good to hear.


2 posted on 05/05/2012 3:28:29 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: fwdude

In other news, Methodists reaffirm that the ocean is wet.


3 posted on 05/05/2012 3:33:31 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
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To: fwdude

God’s way or man’s way.


4 posted on 05/05/2012 3:35:07 PM PDT by FES0844
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To: fwdude

Amazing - I thought the Methodists had been co-opted long ago.


5 posted on 05/05/2012 3:36:31 PM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: fwdude

I’m shocked. Pleased, but shocked.


6 posted on 05/05/2012 3:37:28 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (Fat, drunk and stupid = Dumb, dependent, and Democrat)
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To: fwdude
The church’s position, enshrined in its Book of Discipline, conflicts with the words of one of the United Methodist Church’s most prominent members, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

Wow, did not know that Hillary was one of the United Methodist Churches most prominent members.
7 posted on 05/05/2012 3:37:30 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Lord, save me from some conservatives, they don't understand history any better than liberals.)
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To: RightGeek

There is great variation of practice among Methodist congregations. They tend to be more fervent and more closely biblical in the bible belt.


8 posted on 05/05/2012 3:38:16 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Mitt! You're going to have to try harder than that to be "severely conservative" my friend.)
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To: fwdude

God Created Adam and Steve


9 posted on 05/05/2012 3:40:15 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (what?Who knew?)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
There is great variation of practice among Methodist congregations.

I saw enormous changes in my childhood church from one pastor to the next.
10 posted on 05/05/2012 3:40:21 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: fwdude

One proposal called homosexuals “people of sacred worth” and acknowledged differing viewpoints on the issue, while another said humans did not know enough about human sexuality to prefer one lifestyle over another.


Anyone buying into those ideas?


11 posted on 05/05/2012 3:40:35 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Lord, save me from some conservatives, they don't understand history any better than liberals.)
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To: fwdude

Rut Roh...the libs are gonna come down on them like a bag of hammers.


12 posted on 05/05/2012 3:45:03 PM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (Anyone But Obama in November !!!)
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To: RightGeek
Amazing - I thought the Methodists had been co-opted long ago.

Ditto.I thought that with the exception of the Catholic Church and the Southern Baptists,western Christianity had basically knuckled under to the pervert lobby.

13 posted on 05/05/2012 3:45:41 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Unlike Mrs Obama,I've Been Proud Of This Country My *Entire* Life!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
There is great variation of practice among Methodist congregations. They tend to be more fervent and more closely biblical in the bible belt.

There are also, I understand, several much more biblically conservative branches of Methodism other than the "United" branch, which seems to be the most liberal and largest. I can't see it standing for too many more years, seeing how much perversion is tolerated in its ranks.

14 posted on 05/05/2012 3:48:17 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks fwdude.
The United Methodist Church voted down two proposals to water down its stance on homosexuality on Thursday. One proposal called homosexuals "people of sacred worth" and acknowledged differing viewpoints on the issue, while another said humans did not know enough about human sexuality to prefer one lifestyle over another.

15 posted on 05/05/2012 3:50:22 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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How close was the vote? Because I know for a fact the UMC has been trending extremist liberal for years...


16 posted on 05/05/2012 3:51:35 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: PeterPrinciple
Anyone buying into those ideas?

Only an idiot would. Not even the sodomites believe their fake "compromises." If passed, differing (the traditional) viewpoints would soon not be tolerated, and the homos think they know everything about sexuality already. Their guru Kinsey already told them all they need to know.

17 posted on 05/05/2012 3:51:39 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: fwdude
This Catholic says "Thank God for the Methodists."

Keeping it all in prayer and in truth.

18 posted on 05/05/2012 3:51:46 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: fwdude
duh.

There are MANY things in the bible that are debatable, homosexuality is NOT one of them. The bible if VERY clear on the subject.

And if the queers don't like it... well.. I guess they can become Muslims or Jews. oh wait... Every major religion condemns homosexuality!

19 posted on 05/05/2012 3:52:06 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009
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To: SunkenCiv

No problem. I hate to say it, but I heard of this news on a Moonbat blog that I monitor from time to time to keep an eye on the enemy. They are absolutely livid. But Lifesitenews was the source I chose.


20 posted on 05/05/2012 3:54:37 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: fwdude

Amazing


21 posted on 05/05/2012 4:00:31 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ("I'm comfortable with a Romney win." - Pres. Jimmy Carter)
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To: PeterPrinciple
“people of sacred worth” is a sufficiently ambiguous notion to fit literally anyone. SS Colonels, suicide bombers and members of Obama's cabinet could me thought of to fit that description, given sufficient abstraction.

However, the idea that "humans did not know enough about human sexuality to prefer one lifestyle over another" is shocking beyond all reason.

22 posted on 05/05/2012 4:04:35 PM PDT by stormhill
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To: fwdude

Does this mean the Methodist churches in my area are gonna hafta take down the rainbow flags on the side of their chapels?


23 posted on 05/05/2012 4:07:23 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: PeterPrinciple
I'd buy into both of these propositions in an “ordinary meaning” of the words. But, liberals use ordinary words in strange ways, to-wit: gay, “is”, Nobel “Peace” Prize, religion of peace, born in the USA . . ..

I don't doubt God intends for all of us to be people of sacred worth, and who can deny that there are differing viewpoints on the issue? But enshrining such terms into the Methodist Book of Discipline is the “nose of the camel under the tent.”

Oldplayer

24 posted on 05/05/2012 4:11:39 PM PDT by oldplayer
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To: SoFloFreeper
The vote for the first proposal to declare homosexuals "sacred" was voted down 54-46, and the second absolutely stupid proposal to express total confusion on sexuality was voted down by an even bigger margin, 61-39.

Though the margins were comfortable, the fact that so many are ready to let evil completely overcome a major denomination is horrific. And it's believed that much of the opposition vote was from overseas, mostly Africa, where true Christian understanding hasn't been sullied like it has here in North America.

25 posted on 05/05/2012 4:12:54 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: HiTech RedNeck

LoL indeed they seem to have an interest in voting on the most obvious of questions. Had they decided to go the other way, I’m not sure we could call them a “christian” faith anymore.

The bible says sodomy is wrong, end of story.


26 posted on 05/05/2012 4:17:45 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: skeeter
Does this mean the Methodist churches in my area are gonna hafta take down the rainbow flags on the side of their chapels?

Good question. I can't claim more than very cursory understanding of the UMC organizational structure and rules, but from what I do know individual denominations are given extremely wide latitude in autonomy, and any flagrant apostasy is either ignored, or the offending party is merely compartmentalized as a "faction."

Conversely, Southern Baptists, who also value autonomy among member congregations, have some very strict guidelines on adherence to orthodoxy. At least two affiliated churches within the denomination were "disfellowshiped" - basically kicked out - because they either affirmed homosexuality, or were ambivalent to expressions of it in their midst without appropriate censure. One was in my large Texas city.

27 posted on 05/05/2012 4:20:58 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: fwdude

Hopefully this is the beginning of a reversal of a 30-40 year creep of homosexuality into mainline Christian denominations.


28 posted on 05/05/2012 4:26:23 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: fwdude

Correction to previous comment: “individual congregations”


29 posted on 05/05/2012 4:29:08 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: elpadre

I’m with you. I can’t see how the Episcopal Church can be saved, but the Parent Anglicans in Great Britain are fighting like never before against overwhelming odds to make them either homo-affirming or illegal. It is a very dire situation over there. Pastors face prison.


30 posted on 05/05/2012 4:32:38 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: fwdude

Oh, no! Another church reaffirms hate! /s


31 posted on 05/05/2012 4:40:22 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: SoFloFreeper; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...
A more thorough report is provided by Religious New Service

Including photos and reactions of the angry sodomite losers.

32 posted on 05/05/2012 4:46:11 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: Right Wing Assault
Oh, no! Another church reaffirms hate! /s

Not reaffirm, but it will incur a huge amount of hellish hate now. Expect sodomites in Methodist churches to really get "in your face" now in the most uncivilized displays imaginable.

If the UMC doesn't deal with this hellish backlash firmly, they are lost.

33 posted on 05/05/2012 4:48:59 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: RightGeek
I gave up on the church I was confirmed in as a youth when they sponsored the ad ridiculing preparedness against anthrax after 9/11, while people were dying of anthrax poisoning. Yeah, the visqueen and duct tape ideas were pretty lame, but the UMC attacks were more political and less religious.

I've also witnessed an ever more intense trend toward socialism aimed at my nieces and nephews. My father and grandparents, who all helped build the local church, would be ashamed.

34 posted on 05/05/2012 4:53:13 PM PDT by hotshu (Redistribution of wealth by the government is nothing but theft under the color of law.)
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To: hotshu

The vote comes up every four years, and the margin remains about the same. I always point the ultra libs in the church, who get all sweaty over this... well the UCC church up the road maybe a better fit for them...


35 posted on 05/05/2012 5:01:21 PM PDT by pithyinme (Obama stimulus is 5 times the cost & half the satisfaction...)
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To: fwdude

I normally don’t attend any denomination.....I attend the “Where two or three are gathered together” church of the body of Christ.

But, this is good news in a time of doctrinal erosion.


36 posted on 05/05/2012 5:12:06 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: PeterPrinciple

I thought she was Jewish. ;P


37 posted on 05/05/2012 5:15:35 PM PDT by Arm_Bears (Journalists first; then lawyers.)
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To: fwdude
"One proposal called homosexuals “people of sacred worth” and acknowledged differing viewpoints on the issue, while another said humans did not know enough about human sexuality to prefer one lifestyle over another."

Interesting that the Bible uses the term homosexual offenders, where apostles of tolerance use homosexual strictly in the modern sense of just-another-group-of-folks who are "people of sacred worth".

It is true that all sinners are people of sacred worth, but that worth is defined by GOD and not open to reinterpretation. There MUST be agreement with GOD concerning our sin, its penalty, and its cure (Jesus).

38 posted on 05/05/2012 5:26:14 PM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: fwdude

Good approach, that. At the beginning of the Odyssey, Odysseus is portrayed as a Greek who’d lived in many places among other men, and learnt their mind. Or, the old Chinese saying (citing from the X-Files, but anyway), keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.


39 posted on 05/05/2012 5:34:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: xzins

Ping for your comment.


40 posted on 05/05/2012 5:45:19 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Virgil Goode! Because everyone else is Bad!)
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To: fwdude

The national leadership, and many of the Bishops, in the United Methodis Chruch are more liberal than the majority of the laity. I’m Methodist, a member of a traditional conservative congregation, and there is still a majority of us traditional Christians in the UMC. So, changing the position on homosexuality was always an uphill battle for the liberals.

But the real reason these liberal proposals were rejected is because of changing demographics. The United Methodist Church is a global church, not merely an American church. The chuech is growing rapidly in Africa and Asia, where the congregations are very traditional, very conservative. The church is more liberal in America, where the membership is declining.

About 40% of the voting representatives at our General Conference - the only organization with authority to speak on theological issues for the church - is from the conservative African churches. This percentage will grow in the coming years. In about 20 years, the average Methodist will look a lot less like a middle-aged white man in Indiana, and a lot more like a black woman in Nigeria.

This General Conference - held every four years - was the last best chance for the liberals. They failed, and will not have another chance. Demographics will make them irrelevant.


41 posted on 05/05/2012 5:49:53 PM PDT by mcswan
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Well I guess that they get to keep me for another 4 years.

I do agree that the African and Asian conferences are saving us for now. But the story is similar over in the Anglican Communion--where the Africans are much more biblical.

I resemble that remark about middle-aged Indiana white man--except that I am now a transplant here in goofy Northern Virginia.

Back in 1999, my senior pastor in Fort Wayne predicted that the church would split at the 2000 General Conference. Obviously he was wrong.

42 posted on 05/05/2012 5:56:31 PM PDT by Lysandru
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To: fwdude; wagglebee; aberaussie; Aeronaut; aliquando; AlternateViewpoint; AnalogReigns; ...
The vote for the first proposal to declare homosexuals "sacred" was voted down 54-46, and the second absolutely stupid proposal to express total confusion on sexuality was voted down by an even bigger margin, 61-39.

Though the margins were comfortable, the fact that so many are ready to let evil completely overcome a major denomination is horrific. And it's believed that much of the opposition vote was from overseas, mostly Africa, where true Christian understanding hasn't been sullied like it has here in North America.

The good news is that the African churches wield considerable influence in the General Conference, and their influence will only continue to grow over the next four years as they expand and flourish.

And, of course, the UMC gets four years of peace until the next showdown.

The other good news is that just that--the UMC has the well organized and well financed Good News movement to fight the gaysbian agenda, as well as the backing of the Institute of Religion and Democracy (IRD).

For reasons that I have never been able to uncover, the IRD paid little attention to the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA), which unfortunately operates VERY independently of its African Counterparts.

So, for at least another four years, you have escaped our fate




Lutheran (EL C S*A) Ping!

* as of August 19, AD 2009, a liberal protestant SECT, not part of the holy, catholic and apostolic CHURCH.

Alleluia! Christ is Risen!

43 posted on 05/05/2012 5:59:41 PM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini--nevertheless, Vote Santorum!)
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The last UMC “Book of Resolutions” read like a DNC authored anti-GWB political screed. They proposed boycotting The Mt Olive Pickle Company and Taco Bell as well as espousing a very, very strong open border stance.
I’m not satisfied with their more recent discussions about “social justice” either...


44 posted on 05/05/2012 6:12:44 PM PDT by newnhdad (Where will you be during the Election Riots of 2012/2013?)
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To: lightman

Yes, there will now be 4 years of relative peace, until the next General Conference...but not entirely peaceful. Individual clergy and Bishops and Annual Conferences will continue ro push against our traditional Christian positions, and we’ll have to depend on the Judicial Council to play whack-a-mole with these liberals. The good news is that the Judicial Council HAS been standing guard for us, and the even better news is that African representation has been added to the Judicial Council.

The liberals really are fighting a rear guard action, and losing ground. This may yet end in a split in the church, but I don’t think so.


45 posted on 05/05/2012 6:24:13 PM PDT by mcswan
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To: newnhdad

Are you Methodist?


46 posted on 05/05/2012 6:25:35 PM PDT by mcswan
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To: fwdude

Color me shocked as well; I thought the UMC was one of the more liberal denominations.

Fortunately the LCMS seems to be holding very firm on this issue.


47 posted on 05/05/2012 6:26:01 PM PDT by RebelBanker (May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.)
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To: fwdude

It is most interesting where this corruption comes from. namely the north(IE: Baltimore/Washington Conference). The vipers nest of corruption. Sick too that they called the proposal to effectively abolish church’s biblical position on sexuality “the compromise”.

That is basically the whole nut shell and yet these worms managed to get it defined as “the compromise”. Sounds like the left has got their hands of corruption in at the top levels of the United Methodist Church.


48 posted on 05/05/2012 6:32:36 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: P-Marlowe; SoFloFreeper; Cronos; cripplecreek
SoFloFreeper asked: How close was the vote? Because I know for a fact the UMC has been trending extremist liberal for years...

Unfortunately, many Americans believe the above about the United Methodist Church. I speak as one of its fully ordained elders (ministers) with seminary degree, ordination, career as a military chaplain, and years in the local parish.

Now for the truth.

1. Conservatives in the UMC won a HUGE victory a few years back when they hoodwinked a then-trending-liberal denomination into changing the way delegates were sent to this every-4-year church business meeting. They pushed through a requirement that delegates be chosen proportionate to the number of members in a geographic region rather than trying to balance representation by different geographic regions. This resulted in GROWING regions sending more delegates. Christian churches that GROW are very disproportionately evangelical and not liberal. The result was that votes were taken away from the northeast, the west coast, and the great lakes. More votes were awarded to the south, the southwest, and to the overseas membership in Africa, Asia, and S America. ALL of those had a much, much higher proportion of evangelicals. (Interestingly, the liberals tried to undo this 4 years ago by changing the denomination from a world body into a group of national bodies each responsible for their own rules. That failed miserably, but it was a "stealth" move they thought, and they tried to sell it as allowing overseas churches NOT to be "colonized" by "imperial American churches." After gagging a bit on the rhetoric, it was overwhelmingly voted down.

2. The UMC has NEVER supported homosexuality, homosexual pastors, and homosexual marriage. Our book of rules has been quite clear on that. Where does the impression arise that they do support it? Because Northeast, Pacific, and Great Lakes regions are full of gay sympathizers, and they are very vocal and DO still have some important positions in the church media, the church agencies, and in church colleges and seminaries. With a meeting only once every 4 years for only 2 weeks, things move slowly in the UMC, so changing structures to allow changes in those positions has NOT been the priority. The priority has been on preserving our rules and gain proportional voting.

For those interested, and many aren't because they simply prefer to bash Methodism, our position is that "homosexuality is INCOMPATIBLE with Christian teaching", that "self-avowed homosexuals" will not be ordained, that homosexual marriages will NOT take place in our churches.

3. Trials in our church: FWIW, think of the US system of rights given to defendants in our courts, and you have the Methodist judicial system almost to a T. Now try to convict someone under that system when rules of evidence are virtually the same. A part of me appreciates that protection, because it's the way I would be treated if someone charged me with something, but it also means that those who are vociferous on the streets clam up in the courts. Just a thought: how do you PROVE someone is a homosexual? Unless they're willing to stand proudly and affirm it, then you're looking for videotape that doesn't exist.

This response is already too long, but consider it a primer on the state of the war that's been waged for decades now in the UMC. Evangelicals are slowly, slowly winning one, but that generally isn't recognized.

49 posted on 05/05/2012 6:34:56 PM PDT by xzins (Vote Goode not Evil (the lesser of 2 evils is still evil))
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To: xzins
With a meeting only once every 4 years for only 2 weeks, things move slowly in the UMC, so changing structures to allow changes in those positions has NOT been the priority. The priority has been on preserving our rules and gain proportional voting.

As a former ELCA (now LCMC) Lutheran one of my lesser criticisms of my former judicatory was that national assemblies were held every two years...might have served a purpose in the the ELCA's infant years, but no longer.

The short cycle fueled a perception (which became reality) that "change is inevitable" because you can revote in just two years.

Fortunately after 2013 the national assemblies will be at three year intervals; unfortunately, change done only as a cost-cutting measure, not for ecclesiological reasons.

50 posted on 05/05/2012 6:51:19 PM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini--nevertheless, Vote Santorum!)
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