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U.S. plans to kill barred owls to save spotted owl (Obama's policies at work)
The Associated Press and The San Francisco Chronicle ^ | February 29, 2012 | Associated Press

Posted on 05/05/2012 9:00:46 PM PDT by Prole

To save the imperiled spotted owl, the Obama administration is moving forward with a controversial plan to shoot barred owls, rival birds that have shoved their smaller cousins aside.

The plan is the latest federal attempt to protect the northern spotted owl, the passive, 1-pound bird that sparked an epic battle over logging in the Pacific Northwest two decades ago. The government set aside millions of acres of forest to protect the owl, but the bird's population continues to decline - a 40 percent slide in 25 years.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: murderer; obama; owls
An Obama policy that came out earlier this year gives government agents clearance to find, shoot and destroy Barred Owls in habitats considered Spotted Owl "territory" in Washington, Oregon and Northern California. The democrat party is truly the psychopath's party.

Barred Owl; Image courtesy of www.owl-pictures.com

1 posted on 05/05/2012 9:00:50 PM PDT by Prole
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To: Prole
I sure hope the Obama administration doesn't use the same strategy to create jobs for obama voters.
2 posted on 05/05/2012 9:08:08 PM PDT by Daaave (Was blind but now I see)
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To: Prole
I'll bet this is why the Department of Homeland Security ordered 400 million rounds of .40 caliber hollow point ammunition!
3 posted on 05/05/2012 9:10:00 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Prole

“Some animals are more equal than others.”


4 posted on 05/05/2012 9:10:27 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Prole

I had a barred owl as a pet when I was a kid. He had a cute trick. Just before sundown he would start patrolling the neighborhood. When he passed over our yard he would dip down and graze the top of my head with his talons, kind of like running a very sharp comb through my hair.

By now, I’m sure, having an owl for a pet is illegal.


5 posted on 05/05/2012 9:12:40 PM PDT by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: Prole

Libs embrace Darwinism.

Until they see it in action.

Then they labor to counter it.


6 posted on 05/05/2012 9:17:04 PM PDT by lurk
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To: AZLiberty
By now, I’m sure, having an owl for a pet is illegal.

Yes, it is. In today's world, the federal Fish & Game people would come to your door, confiscate your owl...and destroy it.

However, that is a truly amazing trick your owl performed. It clearly represents a show of affection. And it exhibits a remarkable skill. Not to mention considerable restraint of natural instinct.

An owl's talons are incredibly sharp.

7 posted on 05/05/2012 9:23:53 PM PDT by okie01
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To: Prole

Egad - survival of the fittest in action - stop it, stop it now!


8 posted on 05/05/2012 9:25:34 PM PDT by eclecticEel (Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness: 7/4/1776 - 3/21/2010)
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To: Prole

So, how much does it cost for the government to kill a barred owl? Seriously. How in the heck does one hunt barred owls, and what is the success rate? It’s not like you can decoy in flocks of them to shoot.....

So we will have hunting teams of feds, roaming the woods at night, getting overtime and per-diem pay.....


9 posted on 05/05/2012 9:26:51 PM PDT by Trteamer ( (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Drill the Gulf, Vote)
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To: Prole

First the FEDS KILLED LOGGING (they thought the logging was the problem)....because of the “spotted owl” ....NOW they are going to kill the barred owl...feds can go screw themselves....seems Oregon will never recover.


10 posted on 05/05/2012 9:42:46 PM PDT by goodnesswins (2012..."We mutually pledge our Lives, our Fortunes, and our Sacred Honor")
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To: Prole
We could have some of this.
11 posted on 05/05/2012 9:58:25 PM PDT by united1000
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To: Prole

Looks like sometime in the future we will be able to resurrect that old joke. Here’s the punch line:

“The good news is that the Spotted Owl is no longer on the Endangered Species List. The bad news is that there aren’t any more Spotted Owls.”


12 posted on 05/05/2012 9:59:25 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (TIN)
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To: Prole

Another Obama stimulus and jobs program. More busy work for useless dead weight Federales. More jobs for the owl “hit men” this is contracted out to.


13 posted on 05/05/2012 10:08:33 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: Prole

YOU BROUGHT ME BACK FROM THE EDGE OF EXISTENCE ONLY TO TO KILL THE FREEDOM I REPRESENT.

14 posted on 05/05/2012 10:29:47 PM PDT by GailA (Any congress critter or president who FAILS to keep faith with the Military, WON'T keep faith with U)
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To: Prole; LucyT

There is no hunting season on ANY bird of prey in the USA and territories.

The Barred Owl is also an endangered species.

The problem is that the food source for the Barred Owl has been reduced, so they prey on whatever they can catch, kill, and eat.

The questions for the feds then are as follows: 1.) If the increased attacks on the much smaller Spotted Owl are due to a reduction in food for the Barred Owl, then what can be done to increase the food for the Barred Owl?

2.) Does the decline in the population of the native Band-Tailed Pigeon correspond to a decrease in the Barred Owl population?

3.) Does the decrease in numbers of mature Cascara trees correspond to the
decrease in the numbers of Band-Tailed Pigeons? (Cascara berries are an essential food for the Band-Tailed Pigeons).

My point is that the Feds are going to kill off the top predator that is dependent on a foodchain far more complex than their shoot-now-and we’ll-find-out-the-truth-later policy.

BTW, since the main market for Cascara bark is with companies who refine Cascara bark into diarrhea medicine for humans, the end result may be that the food chain collapses, and we humans were the base cause, in the end.


15 posted on 05/05/2012 10:45:58 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Prole .
The government set aside millions of acres of forest to protect the owl, but the bird's population continues to decline - a 40 percent slide in 25 years.

16 posted on 05/05/2012 10:56:46 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Prole; forester; marsh2
Of course, liberals believe that evolution improves every species, but when natural selection gets in the way of the bureaucrat gravy train they want to stop it in its tracks.

Without endangered spotted owls, there is no budget for protecting them. However, given that barred owls do interbreed successfully with spotted owls, the two are NOT separate species but are in fact different races of the same species.

That makes this policy racial genocide.

17 posted on 05/05/2012 11:14:48 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The RNC would prefer Obama to a conservative nominee.)
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To: Graewoulf; Prole; tomdavidd; Freeper; Gvl_M3; Flotsam_Jetsome; Berlin_Freeper; Hotlanta Mike; ...
Prole wrote:

"An 0bama policy that came out earlier this year gives government agents clearance to find, shoot and destroy Barred Owls in habitats considered Spotted Owl "territory" in Washington, Oregon and Northern California. The democrat party is truly the psychopath's party."

Check out Article, then # 15.

Thanks, Graewoulf.

18 posted on 05/05/2012 11:54:29 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: AZLiberty
You'll need a falconer's license. My wife is a master falconer. She's taking time off because it is a full time job to have a bird. Just like having a child. Daily weigh-in, adjustment of food, training, flying in the field. Her full time job is a police/EMS/911/fire dispatcher. That comes with a very unpredictable schedule. Incompatible with having a bird.

Check with your state fish/wildlife office. They will have names of local falconers who take you on as an apprentice. You'll need to take a written exam, construct a proper "muse" and acquire a hood/jesses as part of the inspection. The written exams are at the federal and state level.

19 posted on 05/06/2012 12:06:30 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Prole

We have seen barred owls on our farm. We currently have a pair of great grey owls that will probably have little ones about 100 yards from our house. Those things are huge!

We see bald eagles daily and golden eagles every other day this time of year. Majestic birds! I have considered putting in a telephone pole nest in the pasture below our back deck. The cows won’t mind and it’s neat to watch them catch mice in the pasture.


20 posted on 05/06/2012 12:07:29 AM PDT by volunbeer (Don't worry America, our kids can pay for it!)
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From Wikipedia:

The Barred Owl’s nest is often in a tree cavity, often ones created by pileated woodpeckers; it may also take over an old nesting site made previously by a red-shouldered hawk, cooper’s hawk, crow, or squirrel.

The Barred Owl is a very opportunistic predator. The principal prey of this owl are meadow voles, followed by mice and shrews of various species. Other mammals preyed upon include rats, squirrels, rabbits, bats, moles, opossums, mink, and weasels.

Birds are taken occasionally and commonly include woodpeckers, grouse, quails, jays, icterids, doves and pigeons, and even domestic ducks. Less commonly, other raptors are predated, including smaller owls. Avian prey are typically taken as they settle into nocturnal roosts, because these owls are not generally nimble enough to catch birds on the wing. It occasionally wades into water to capture fish, turtles, frogs and crayfish. Additional prey include snakes, lizards, salamanders, slugs, scorpions, beetles, crickets, and grasshoppers.


21 posted on 05/06/2012 12:10:12 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: Graewoulf; Prole

“My point is that the Feds are going to kill off the top predator that is dependent on a foodchain far more complex than their shoot-now-and we’ll-find-out-the-truth-later policy.”

You do know we are on top of the food chain....


22 posted on 05/06/2012 3:28:20 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (searching for something meaningfull to say)
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To: Graewoulf

The Barred Owl has expanded its territory into spotted owl territory. The Barred owl used to be in the east but has now migrated to the west. They never used to compete now the strongest will survive.


23 posted on 05/06/2012 4:18:24 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (The democratic party is the greatest cargo cult in history.)
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To: united1000
Using this popular Pacific NW product is the best way to help the paid protesters out of your woods:

Now we need some Barred Owl Helper or like products!

I would also recommend using fresh Marbled Murrelet eggs in ommlets instead of those from commercial chicken farms.

Contrary to popular Federal misconceptions, do not look for Marbled Murrelets in old grown stands - the bird is a burrowing animal as the latin name suggests (Brachyramphus marmoratus).

Do not look for Spotted Owls in the woods, instead check out barns and billboards.

24 posted on 05/06/2012 4:40:24 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Graewoulf; LucyT

Perhaps one of the most intriguing calls of any bird. “Who, cooks, for-you? Who, cooks, for-you, all?”

http://www.owlpages.com/owls.php?genus=Strix&species=varia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzhSxhhAYbE&feature=related


25 posted on 05/06/2012 4:47:19 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: Prole

No surprise there - the Dims are also willing to destroy the middle class to expand the bottom feeders.


26 posted on 05/06/2012 6:35:56 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: Prole

Obama/Holder application of preferred species. This is getting pervasive in their entire administration.


27 posted on 05/06/2012 6:38:14 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: Prole
Can rural Oregon have its 40,000 logging and timber jobs back now.

I didn't think so.

28 posted on 05/06/2012 6:43:30 AM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: Prole

Next he’ll be passing an EO to kill all the humans with X colored eyes to save the Y colored eyed ones. Heil, Hussien!


29 posted on 05/06/2012 7:10:08 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Graewoulf; LucyT; SunkenCiv; abb
There is no hunting season on ANY bird of prey in the USA and territories.

And that should be changed. The US government has no such legitimate Constitutional power. It is a usurpation of power pursuant to treaty.

The Barred Owl is also an endangered species.

Legally, yes. Actually, maybe not.

The problem is that the food source for the Barred Owl has been reduced, so they prey on whatever they can catch, kill, and eat.

IOW, the same problem as for the Spotted Owl. We'll get to the primary cause of that in a minute.

1.) If the increased attacks on the much smaller Spotted Owl are due to a reduction in food for the Barred Owl, then what can be done to increase the food for the Barred Owl?

The Feds have NO interest in healthy Barred Owl populations, indeed, quite the contrary. The agency budget for the people assigned to "manage" this bird, is dependent upon them staying endangered.

2.) Does the decline in the population of the native Band-Tailed Pigeon correspond to a decrease in the Barred Owl population?

I doubt it, but it may be a related factor. I'd say that once one has addressed mice, voles, and other smaller critters that overlap food sources with band tails, one might turn one's attention there. However, the fix I have in mind would address both.

(Cascara berries are an essential food for the Band-Tailed Pigeons).

Lol, that one too.

My point is that the Feds are going to kill off the top predator that is dependent on a foodchain far more complex than their shoot-now-and we’ll-find-out-the-truth-later policy.

The Feds have REMOVED the apex predator that has been in that region for 10,000 years. Sadly, that omission shows what is remiss in your thinking.

BTW, since the main market for Cascara bark is with companies who refine Cascara bark into diarrhea medicine for humans, the end result may be that the food chain collapses, and we humans were the base cause, in the end.

Here is where you really betray your bias, and it is the usual. It is wrong too. Band tails eat MANY sources of food.

I have some 100 band tails on my property. They hung out here all fall, winter, and early spring. There are STILL some around. My guess is that they are nesting here. At peak, we get some 200 of them to eat Madrone berries, so you see, your thinking pursuant to an Audubon whisper campaign rather than observation.

I have only 14 acres. Why do I have so many birds?

Several reasons. First, there is LOTS of food, because I manage for native plants at all levels of succession. We have the purest native grasslands found on all of the Central Coast of California. They produce massive amounts of seed. Our forests are almost all thinned sufficiently for both flyways (owls need clear flyways) and ground-cover seed production, all of which is native. I have developing chaparral patches producing fruits, all native.

You should see the quail here. We have maybe fifty. Why? I got a house cat and he's a real killer. If you can figure out why deliberately introducing a house cat brought back our quail population, you get twenty points.

Our restoration project has taken me over twenty years to achieve. What is my greatest challenge? Government at all levels wants to introduce MORE predators here, including wolves. That directly threatens the source of the restoration.

You mentioned NONE of that. That tells me your sources of information are birder group-think. Your problem with owls is because of a lack of managed disturbance. You aren't going to get Rhamnus species in that forest without thinning them. You aren't going to get them after thinning them without intensive weed management. That is reality.

So, the solution is to blow off the government, cut some trees and manage the hell out of it, including with fire. Grow native grasses and forbs and you'll have bird food aplenty, enough to supply all the anti-diarrheal products necessary to help fund the project. It is that change in thinking that we need the most.

30 posted on 05/06/2012 7:41:14 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The RNC would prefer Obama to a conservative nominee.)
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To: Carry_Okie

” - - - I have some 100 band tails on my property. They hung out here all fall, winter, and early spring. There are STILL some around. My guess is that they are nesting here.”

In the spirit of Jim’s truce, I suggest that you take the time to re-read your above quote.

BTW, just when IS Band-Tailed Pigeon nesting season?


31 posted on 05/06/2012 7:35:01 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Graewoulf
BTW, just when IS Band-Tailed Pigeon nesting season?

In the spirit of Jim’s truce, I suggest that you take the time to re-read your above quote.

I suggest you take your own advice. The post says it is a guess. I have no idea when they nest, but they are certainly not scarce here. I restore the plants and let the birds take advantage of the habitat. They quite clearly like it, which is why an Audubon guy has agreed to organize a group to come here and learn how it was done. So far, it's worked better than "protecting" them; i.e., your way of doing things, particularly as regards relying upon predator mediated competition. It doesn't work.

In the mean time, I suggest commenting on the whole post, and not just the part that lets you walk away feeling better.

32 posted on 05/06/2012 8:27:04 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The RNC would prefer Obama to a conservative nominee.)
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To: okie01

“Do chickens have sharp talons?”.....Napoleon


33 posted on 05/06/2012 8:35:43 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter (Ia)
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To: Carry_Okie

Your cat kills mice and/or rats which feed on quail eggs.


34 posted on 05/06/2012 8:38:32 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter (Ia)
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To: Prole

Remember whe the leftists attacked Sarah over her wolf policies?


35 posted on 05/06/2012 8:42:36 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Texas Songwriter
Your cat kills mice and/or rats which feed on quail eggs.

Good guess, but it was ground squirrels.

36 posted on 05/06/2012 9:27:08 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The RNC would prefer Obama to a conservative nominee.)
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To: Graewoulf
BTW, just when IS Band-Tailed Pigeon nesting season?

Looks like I could be right.

Nesting: In California, nesting of Pacific band-tailed pigeons occurs from February until October [53,61], peaking from May to July [26,53,61]. Interior band-tailed pigeons nest from May to September [14].

Source

In this location, berries are most available from July to January, although they've been ground feeding here since last fall. This was January 23 of this year.

From what I can tell, they're after bugs.

37 posted on 05/07/2012 3:39:22 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (There is no such thing as "renewable" energy, the Second Law of Thermodynamics remains in force.)
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To: Graewoulf
BTW, just when IS Band-Tailed Pigeon nesting season?

I read this today and I thought of you...

Band-tailed Pigeons have a long nesting season, sometimes completing three nests in a single year, though each nest is likely to have only a single egg. And what do you know but the map on this page shows that they remain in this region, year-round.

Now, what was that you were asking me Mr. Ick-spurt? I suggest you dispense with disparaging people who make first person observations until you know for certain that what they are saying is impossible. From what I can tell about band-tails and their behavior in this area, they follow food availability without regard to weather.

38 posted on 11/11/2013 1:23:23 AM PST by Carry_Okie ("Single payer" is Medicaid for all; they'll pull the sheet over your head when you're done.)
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To: Prole

39 posted on 11/11/2013 1:37:59 AM PST by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: lurk

I was going to post something similar.

I wonder. In 30 years when the spotted AND barred owls are gone, can we get back to logging?


40 posted on 11/11/2013 1:50:19 AM PST by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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