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California Assembly OKs measure to ban carrying unloaded rifles in public
sacbee.com ^ | 4 May, 2012 | Jim Sanders

Posted on 05/06/2012 7:28:08 AM PDT by marktwain

Carrying unloaded rifles in public would be prohibited under hotly contested legislation that passed the Assembly on Thursday.

Assembly Bill 1527 cleared the lower house, 44-28, with no Republican support.

Proposed by Assemblyman Anthony Portantino, D-La Cañada Flintridge, the bill stems from the "open carry" movement in which gun-brandishing people protest against gun-control laws.

The movement sparked headlines in 2009 for a rally outside an Arizona convention center where President Barack Obama was speaking.

California cracked down on carrying unloaded handguns with a new law that took effect Jan. 1. Portantino's bill would expand that prohibition by targeting rifles.

"Sooner or later, somebody's going to get hurt," Portantino said of open carry. "If you see somebody walking around a mall or main street with a shotgun, it's pretty intimidating. It's unnecessary, and it is just going to lead to trouble."

Opponents counter that AB 1527 would create a new obstacle to the constitutional right to bear arms and would do nothing to reduce violence because criminals do not honor such laws.

Members of the open carry movement are "law-abiding citizens who have no evil, nefarious purpose," said Republican Assemblyman Jim Nielsen of Gerber.

Assemblywoman Norma Torres, D-Pomona, asked colleagues to imagine themselves inside a restaurant when a gun-wielding person walked in. "How would you feel, not knowing the mental state of that person?" she asked. "I would be afraid."

Assemblyman Ben Hueso, D-San Diego, said he considers AB 1527 a pro-business bill because communities must be "free from intimidation" if the state hopes to boost tourism.

The bill allows dozens of exceptions, including carrying a rifle on private property with permission of the owner, carrying it in a gun show, or carrying it for use at a target-shooting range, a parade or while hunting.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: banglist; ca; california; opencarry; rifle
Notice that this has nothing to do with crime or harming people, and everything to delegitimize the carrying of weapons by citizens. It creates the tyrannical state of "everything that is not allowed is prohibited".

It is utterly, completely, unconstitutional. Those who voted for it should be impeached.

It is hard to believe that even the California legislature would sink this low.

1 posted on 05/06/2012 7:28:09 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

California will be experiencing the “Curley Effect” on a state-wide basis. Like Massachusetts has.

It will become a gulag.


2 posted on 05/06/2012 7:32:34 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: marktwain

These people are afraid of their own shadow. How about gun racks in pick-ups? Are they afraid of them also?


3 posted on 05/06/2012 7:32:58 AM PDT by RC2 (Buy American and support the Wounded Warrior Project whenever possible.)
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To: marktwain

Does it ban the carrying of loaded guns?


4 posted on 05/06/2012 7:33:51 AM PDT by DMG2FUN
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To: marktwain
Those who voted for it should be impeached.

By whom? Themselves?

It is hard to believe that even the California legislature would sink this low.

No it's not hard to believe, it's California. Good grief, the state is a leftist cesspool. CA is a basket case and things are only going to get far worse. Any conservative with the means to leave should have already done so or be planning to. Besides, we could really use conservative refugees from California in some of the purple states that are sliding toward the dark side. VA, NC, CO, etc, need more conservatives to bolster the ranks of the productive, thinking people.

5 posted on 05/06/2012 7:38:13 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: marktwain
It is hard to believe that even the California legislature would sink this low.

Easy enough for me to believe it. I wonder if carrying said unloaded rifle in a gun case is allowed...I also have issue with most of the CCW laws that insist that your concealed weapon never be able to be seen by another citizen. More open carry folks would go a long way in reminding the bad guys that there are weapons available to put a crimp in their "style".

6 posted on 05/06/2012 7:40:40 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: marktwain

What is sad is that the average Californian you would meet on the street has no idea that this law just passed, nor would they care if you informed them. In fact they would think anyone who worried about such things to be a little off balance themselves


7 posted on 05/06/2012 7:52:49 AM PDT by Reddon
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To: marktwain

“Assemblywoman Norma Torres, D-Pomona, asked colleagues to imagine themselves inside a restaurant when a gun-wielding person walked in. “How would you feel, not knowing the mental state of that person?” she asked. “I would be afraid.””

Doing some biased profiling there Norma Torres? But, realizing the percentage of whacko human debris in California relative to normal mainstream America, maybe she would worry about “mental state” of people there.


8 posted on 05/06/2012 7:56:37 AM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: marktwain

Another day, another reason I am glad I moved out of the Socialist Republic of California.

California is a good place to be FROM!


9 posted on 05/06/2012 7:56:43 AM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama. Constitution party, here I come!)
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To: marktwain

Next I suppose they’ll ban the carrying of empty rifle cases because people wouldn’t know if there was or was not a rifle in it. Or, any bag or case that had a gun logo on it. Might cause panic with the sheep that live there.


10 posted on 05/06/2012 8:05:02 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: marktwain

California, the land of the communists empire.


11 posted on 05/06/2012 8:16:55 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: SkyDancer

Citizens with no criminal record should be able, at will, to carry, concealed or open, any firearm they please, hand gun or long gun, anywhere they please without let or hindrance by government authorities.


12 posted on 05/06/2012 8:19:05 AM PDT by W. W. SMITH (Maybe the horse will learn to sing)
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To: W. W. SMITH

Of course they should but with those Lib politicians good luck with that. Remember, it’s all for the public good and safety.


13 posted on 05/06/2012 8:22:52 AM PDT by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: marktwain

she asked. “I would be afraid.”

But wouldn’t you feel better if you or your companion had a loaded 45 ready for trouble?

I think they miss the point about open carry. They could have their own gun for self defense.

They don’t think it is there responsibility to protect themselves, that’s somebody else’s job.


14 posted on 05/06/2012 8:40:14 AM PDT by calljack (Sometimes your worst nightmare is just a start.)
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To: Proud2BeRight

“How would you feel, not knowing the mental state of that person?”

It is the fear I have of the entire CA state legislature.


15 posted on 05/06/2012 8:44:22 AM PDT by G Larry (Criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding)
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To: Proud2BeRight

“Doing some biased profiling there Norma Torres? But, realizing the percentage of whacko human debris in California relative to normal mainstream America, maybe she would worry about “mental state” of people there.”

What a stupid statement. So you know, for a fact, that there are more “wackos” here in California than in “mainstream America.” We have ten percent of the population of the country, so just on that basis alone we are quite likely to have more “wackos” than where ever it is that you live. Most Hispanics are not wackos, but the illegal ones are a problem. But then, you are happy to eat the stuff that they pick. And we still, despite the best efforts of our Legislature, have the largest economy in the country by far; bigger than some well known European countries. Finally, I don’t have to live in a double wide to be able to live with less “wackos,” so at the end of the day my life is still far better than yours.
While you are deprecating this beautiful state, you had also be thinking about whether or not we will be successful in reining in our $hithole government, because you are next, and you are well on your way to being us as this is written.


16 posted on 05/06/2012 10:37:06 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: marktwain
Definition of INFRINGEMENT 1 : the act of infringing : violation 2 : an encroachment or trespass on a right or privilege Examples of INFRINGEMENT
17 posted on 05/06/2012 11:21:39 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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To: Reddon
David victor Hanson wrote a piece about two Californias. The liberals in this state write laws to affect the law abiding taxpaying citizen. The other half of the state broke the laws to get here and really don't care about any laws. The jails in the state are full and they turn out hardened criminal out on the street to commit more crime. There is some much property crime and copper theft that it plagues the farmer in the San Joaquin valley. The police have been instructed not to impound the cars of illegal that have no license or insurance. California is now a third world country and getting worse everyday.
18 posted on 05/06/2012 11:22:57 AM PDT by pterional
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To: vette6387

It’s not called the land of fruit and nuts for nothing.

And next time READ what I wrote and quote me correctly. I said: “realizing the PERCENTAGE of whacko human debris in California relative to normal mainstream America” while you conveniently misquoted me with “that there are more “wackos” here in California than in “mainstream America.”

I have been there many times and viewed the whacko human debris on the streets, watched California’s loony government that gets thanked at every election, I have seen a lifetime of that state’s wacko entertainers in action, I see the California enviro-wackos that outshine every other state in lunacy, watched that state’s love of dope, see the news from that place, and more.

And your statement: “Finally, I don’t have to live in a double wide to be able to live with less “wackos,” so at the end of the day my life is still far better than yours.” is about as, as you say “a stupid statement” as could be made.


19 posted on 05/06/2012 11:30:14 AM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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To: Proud2BeRight

I understood what you said completely. I just wonder at the stupidity of folks like you who bash California. On it’s worst day, it’s light years better than any place on earth. Everybody is “in love with Texas.” I’ve worked in Texas and would not live there on a bet. I’ve worked in Memphis, beautiful place, nice people, but they have terrible weather for my taste and a far worse government that the place where I live in California. You “state class warfare Idiots,” who come to FR to give us your “assessment” of California had better take a look around at where you live. All the same crapola is there too. So instead of belittling our current situation, you might try something positive.
Proud 2 Be Right, nah, Proud 2 be Stupid!

PS We got our “whacko human debris” from the East Coast, along with a large percentage of our legislators (other than the ones’ from Mexico). The queen of evil, Nancy Pelosi is from Baltimore, MD where her father was mayor before he went to jail!


20 posted on 05/06/2012 11:42:01 AM PDT by vette6387
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“PS We got our “whacko human debris” from the East Coast, along with a large percentage of our legislators (other than the ones’ from Mexico).”

Birds of a feather. That place does attract them. They like to get to a place they are better loved and appreciated.


21 posted on 05/06/2012 11:55:52 AM PDT by Proud2BeRight
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“Birds of a feather. That place does attract them. They like to get to a place they are better loved and appreciated.”

That’s pure crap! I grew up here in the 50’s and I can tell you that none of what’s happened with the “migration” of the socialists from the East Coast had happened and it was an unbelievably vibrant place! Unfortunately, in a free society, people can and do move about the country. There were no gays in SF, the city of my birth, until much later. They came, liked the weather, and settled in like the social termites that they are. Now, I don’t often even go to SF because I am offended by the people that now call it home. The problem with people like you is that you see everything without any gradation. Today, there is far more of California that is conservative than liberal, but like most places (even where you live I will venture), the big cities are full of what you call wackos all of whom are in search of the free lunch. Another thing that sunk California was the SCOTUS deciding that modeling your bicameral legislature after the FED was unconstitutional. Until that happened, our Senate helped to corral the nutballs. You do this country and FR a great disservice by your prattle about this state. If we fail, you are next! The people who go on and on on FR about “how lucky” they are to have left California, remind me of the Italian Army. “ You guys can fight the good fight, but I ‘m leaving because I don’t have the stomach for it.” There wouldn’t be an America today if we had had many of you guys on our side!


22 posted on 05/06/2012 2:25:21 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: vette6387

Right on Vette man! Everything you say is 100% true!


23 posted on 05/06/2012 2:29:05 PM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: vette6387
Today, there is far more of California that is conservative than liberal

Well then, if that is truly the case, how do these insane laws come to pass? And overwhelmigly?

Sorry, but thou doth protest too much about the saneness of California.
24 posted on 05/06/2012 4:28:23 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: vette6387
I appreciate your love for your state. I believe that it was the influx of east coast leftists that ruined California. It was a far better place in the 1950’s, and even much better when I lived there for three years in the 1970’s than it is today.

Do you think that the MSM in California is much stronger than in the rest of the nation? I have spent some time in California in the last few years, and even in the central valley, the attitude seemed to be that the government could always do more for people, and that if the State government resources were not quite unlimited, then the federal government resources certainly were!

25 posted on 05/06/2012 5:35:34 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Red in Blue PA

“Well then, if that is truly the case, how do these insane laws come to pass? And overwhelmigly? “

Because of “one man, one vote!” Los Angeles and San Francisco have enough population that they elect the majority nutballs. I mean the Pelosis, Finesteins, Boxers, and all manner of Marxists from the “minority communities.” Truly stupid, people who sell the “free lunch” to their “underprivileged” constituents. If you are from Pennsylvania, I don’t know how you could not understand this conundrum. PA is just like CA. If you prevented Philadelphia from voting, PA would probably be a Red state. Actually, in a perverse way, PA transplants (along with the rest of the Northeastern Seaboard) sent us the trash that is now causing our problems. That and WW II when the Fed Gov’t. opened up war materiel factories here. Richmond became a Black ghetto thanks to Kaiser Shipbuilding, and “Easterners” flocked to LA for the jobs in the aircraft manufacturing there. The came and brought with them their “ways,” and they liked it here so much that they stayed. They are like self-serving little termites. But the sad truth is that it’s more like California and PA everywhere than conservatives from those areas want to believe. We, COLLECTIVELY have a major problem and the gasbags here that revel in the idea of having California drop off into the Pacific Ocean are going to have the same problem in the not too distant future. So laying “blame” on California for a national problem is just ignorant and counterproductive. I can tell you that where I live, we are very sane! Finally, for what it’s worth, I am banking on California going broke. It’s the only way to start the process of rebuilding. Maybe that’s going to happen to Washington too, but since they can print money ( for a little while longer) we are probably going to be first.


26 posted on 05/06/2012 7:34:26 PM PDT by vette6387
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“Do you think that the MSM in California is much stronger than in the rest of the nation?”

I must admit I almost never watch the local TV news. The only thing I see when, on occasion, I do is that the smarmy minority news anchors are the same people who were there fifteen or twenty years ago, only now they are old and ugly. Same socialist bias tho. Actually, Dan Walters, the sycophant political editor at the Sacramento Bee, seems to be seeing the light about the coming collapse. I think deep down inside he knows Jerry the Fairy is a worthless turd who couldn’t take a bent dime out of a Coke machine. Now he’s beginning to talk about the crisis and how Brown is failing.
Some Freepers post stuff from the Bee, but what really yanks your crank is the moron state workers who respond to the Bee’s commentary on the sad state of affairs with public employees. But to your question, I don’t think the MSM is any worse here, and surely not any better. Like almost everywhere else, the government exists to meddle in your freedom and spend your hard earned money and the MSM is their shill. There is a move afoot to put a referendum on the ballot to return the legislature to part time. If things are worse down the road ( and you know they will be) something like that might just pass. I think it’s deplorable that our legislators are paid almost as much as those in the Congress, highest in the nation by about $50,000 per person per year!


27 posted on 05/06/2012 9:39:50 PM PDT by vette6387
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