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Are you an ABO like me PO'd at JR for getting called a RINO? Truce declared! Please DONATE!;page=1#1 ^ | May 6, 2012 | Seizethecarp

Posted on 05/06/2012 8:09:35 AM PDT by Seizethecarp

Attention "Anyone But Obama" (ABO) FReepers! If you go to the thread at the link you will will see that JimRob has "declared a truce" and hundreds of ABO FReepers are now vigorously defending their belief, which I share, that the ineligible Marxist Manchurian MUST BE DEFEATED to preserve the Republic...without fear of "the ZOT"! Please consider a DONATION not just to fund renewal of expression and amplification of your ABO views, but let's over-achieve this FReepathon to get JR his new equipment!

IMO, Free Republic and FReepers could be vital in swing states in rallying just enough conservatives to tip the election and prevent our troops from having to salute for even one day longer than necessary an ineligible Marxist committed to destroying the USA !

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To: darrellmaurina; All

” - - - I believe the underlying issue for many of us is, as Graewoulf has said, that there’s more than one type of “conservative.” Social issues conservatives are not always trying to “conserve” the same things as economic conservatives.”

Thanks for clearly summarizing that point in my post.

Think about it: which would the Body Politic, (i.e., the interlocked Liberal Agenda Media, Democrats and RINOs), find easier to attack, marginalize and ignore?

1.) A single topic attack on them?


2.) A multi-topic attack on them?

Now that their 80 + year Keynesian Rule of us has finally run out of money, we Financial Conservatives know that we have circled the prey and stand ready to attack.

AAHHHHRRWWWWWWWwwwwwwwwwwwwwwooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Necessary to our attack is the attack from as many other types of Conservatives as possible. The more “hot-button” attacks, the better. Multi-pronged beats single-pronged attacks every time!

Presently the arrogant Democrats either ignore all Conservatives, try to marginalize us as “A vast, Right-Wing Conspiracy,” or accuse us of being villains, mainly through the Court of Public Opinion which is owned by the Liberal Agenda Media, (LAM).

My overarching point is that politicians come and go, political parties come and go, but the thinking that supports the idea that it is SANE to spend more money this year than was taken in as income last year remains entrenched in the policies of the Body Politic, which is the inter-dependant linkage of the LAM, Dems, RINOs, and most importantly you and I as voters.

Support and vote for who you want to, but before you do look into the eyes of your children and grandchildren and tell them that because of you voting or not voting, THEY will have to work a large part of each of their work days for the rest of their lives to pay back principle AND interest to the owners of US Federal Government Bonds that WE sold to give us OUR “Entitlements” of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Obama”care,” Unemployment payments to workers out of work, Food Stamps, Housing assistance to Illegal Aliens, Free Hospital “Emergency” Medical and Dental care to Illegal Aliens AND their extended families who continue to live permanently in Mexico, Aid to Dependent Children, No child Left Behind, Federal Aid to Education of Young Socialists, “Free” Student loans to future Federal politicians and bureaucrats, etc., etc., etc.

BTW, to put all of this into perspective, if you are now paying the very low rate of only 10 % Personal Federal Income Tax, then you are currently working every one of your workdays at 10 % X 8 hours = 0.8 hours X 60 minutes = 48 minutes of EVERY work day for The Federal Plantation located at 1600 Plantation Avenue, in the District of Corruption, USSA.

Those 48 minutes per work day feed the Federal Beast for only 60 % of each year, forcing the current Sheriff of Nottingham Timmy Gee to sell more Federal Bonds that HE says that YOUR grandchildren’s descendants will be more than happy to pay off.

Did I just describe a “Bond Bubble?” Obviously not as I am just a marginalized, and ignored member of “The Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy.”

Yep, Hilly said it before she became Obama’s Secretary of Statements. She knew that eventually we would conspire to replace The Body Politic with a system that works.

You know, the one our Founding Fathers came up with,
and clearly specified in THE US CONSTITUTION.

May God Bless America, again. (This time let us not be allowed to take His blessings for granted).

1,201 posted on 05/08/2012 8:26:20 AM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Seizethecarp; Jim Robinson; All
Attention "Anyone But Obama" (ABO) FReepers!

Ya know "ABO" = just a euphemism for Romney voters & Romney supporters & Rombots.

How do we know that?

Because many of the "ABO" voters/FREEPERS get upset with you when you tell them you're voting for Virgil Goode or Tom H. or are considering writing in somebody else.

All of a sudden, it's not "ABO" but somebody quite specific (Romney). IOW, there has been no acceptance by them of third-party voters.

Besides, if "ABO" was anything but a euphemism for Romney, then even "Hitler" "the Anti-Christ" or anybody as a free-lance "write-in" candidate would be acceptable to them. They certainly qualify to be that "anybody" but Obama!

(And that's not a good way to train up our next become so fixated upon either the (r) candidate or the anti-(d) candidate that one day your children & grandchildren will be strongly supporting somebody to the left of Obama...just because that candidate happens to be to the "right" of (d)...In this way, (r) and "conservative" then become completely unrecognizable terms)

1,202 posted on 05/08/2012 8:27:39 AM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: Mountain Mary
Help keep Congress and work to take the Senate back. Support true conservative candidates. Work to elect local conservatives to school boards, county boards and other elective offices in your area.

Wise words.

1,203 posted on 05/08/2012 8:28:00 AM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Colofornian

Great post. You aptly illustrate that on its face the “ABO” title is grossly dishonest.

1,204 posted on 05/08/2012 8:32:02 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Romney Republicanism: The blind leading the blind, over a cliff, into the political abyss.)
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To: wagglebee
No candidate in American history has ever won without the enthusiastic support of his own party. Look at the primaries, the only states Romney won by large margins are liberal states that the GOP won't win anyway.

No doubt.

It is notable that in every conversation Romney Republicans must, in order to pass the initial laugh test, first admit that they can't stand the guy, that he has no morals, no principles, that he is a liar and a fake.

Right before they try to bludgeon you into supporting what they know you too detest.

1,205 posted on 05/08/2012 8:37:21 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Romney Republicanism: The blind leading the blind, over a cliff, into the political abyss.)
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To: darrellmaurina
2 posted on Sun May 06 2012 10:15:17 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by eastforker: “How about a truce involving the religious bigots that inhabit this site. I am really tired of hearing the hatred spewed concerning other beliefs if different than some of these bigots.”

This post was a thread hijack. This person wouldn't let his atheistic stance allow him to denounce the religious side of FR. To him any religious discussion is "hate" and "bigotry".

1,206 posted on 05/08/2012 8:43:58 AM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: darrellmaurina; Elsie; eastforker; Jim Robinson
“How did we go from
1) debating whether to tolerate those who want to vote for Mitt Romney as the lesser of two evils to
2) debating getting rid of alleged religious bigots?”

You are wrong in both of your characterizations as both of the above digressions on my thread are hijackings!

Due to my personal medical issues for most of Sunday I was not able to refocus the thread back onto the topic of helping JR raise money until after it ballooned over 1000 posts.

If you re-read my opening post, this thread was started as an invitation to ABO FReepers, in view of JR’s announced TRUCE, to return to FR, for ABO FReepers to feel “safe” (at least from being invited to leave or denounced as RINO’s) in expressing ABO views, and for them to consider resuming donations to the current flagging FReepathon and the need to keep FR up and solid in 2012.

One of the big reasons that ABO FReepers have shut their wallets is attacks on their character, religion and patriotism simply for holding a belief that the ineligible Marxist Manchurian is a far greater danger to our Republic and religions than Romney could ever be despite his Mormonism.

JimRob’s TRUCE would seem to call for a halt to these personal attacks on ABO FReepers. Attack away on the substantive reasons why you are FUMR or ABO, but refrain from personal attacks under FR posting rules, and refrain from abuse and attempted shunning of FReepers holding these opposing views.

1,207 posted on 05/08/2012 8:44:38 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: darrellmaurina; Colofornian; Godzilla

I can work with Mormons who, when all is said and done, belong to a religion whose founders had good things to say about the United States Constitution,

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The only real issue I have with your post is this...rather the LDS founders and early leaders had BAD things to say about the US and Constitution and attempted to set up a LDS theocracy, which many LDS still believe and hope for. That is the exact reason that Joseph Smith, Jr. (founder of the LDS church) ran for POTUS in 1844.

“... you do solemnly swear in the presence of Almighty God... that you will avenge the blood of Joseph Smith upon this nation, and so teach your children; that you will, from this day henceforth and forever, begin and carry out hostilities against this nation, and keep the same a profound secret now and forever. So help you God.”

- Apostle William Smith, Arguments Before the Committee On Privileges and Elections of the United States Senate In the Matter of the Protests Against the Right of Hon. Reed Smoot, A Senator from the State of Utah, to Hold His Seat, 1905, p. 231

“We will go to a land where there are at last no old settlers to quarrel with us…. We will leave this wicked nation, to themselves, for they have rejected the gospel, and I hope and pray that the wicked will kill one another & save us the trouble of doing it.”

- Prophet Brigham Young, quoted in “Journal of Heber C. Kimball,” under January 2, 1846; see Abanes, One Nation Under Gods, p. 216

“Who goes to the White House these days?... A gambler and a drunkard. And the Vice-President is the same. And no man can get either office unless he is a gambler and a drunkard, or a thief. And who goes to Congress? You may hunt clear through the Senate and House, and if you can find any men that are not liars, thieves, whoremongers, gamblers, and drunkards, I tell you they are mighty few, for no other kind of men can get in there.”

- Prophet Brigham Young, quoted in Hirshon, The Lion of the Lord: A Biography of the Mormon Leader, Brigham Young, 1969, pp. 278-279

“[U.S. President] Zachary Taylor is dead, and in hell. And I am glad of it.”

- Prophet Brigham Young, quoted in Perry Brocchus, “Utah Officials’ Report to President Fillmore,” Congressional Globe, new series, v. 25, p. 87; cited in B.H. Roberts, Comprehensive History of the Church, 1930, v. 3, p. 520, footnote #3

“Joseph Smith escaped many conspiracies against his life…. But the Lord said – ‘Now let my servant seal up his testimony with his blood;’ and that sealed up the damnation of the United States, not of individuals, but of the nation…. I am prophet enough to prophesy the downfall of the government that has driven us out…. Wo to the United States! I see them going to death and destruction.”

- Prophet Brigham Young, in William S. Harwell, ed., Manuscript History of Brigham Young, 1847-1850, 1997, pp. 221, 238

“The people of the rest of the country are our enemies…. When the government conflicts with heaven, we will be ranged under the banner of heaven and against the Government…. I defy the United States. I will obey God.”

- Prophet John Taylor, Salt Lake Tribune, January 6, 1880, quoted in Samuel W. Taylor, Rocky Mountain Empire, 1978, p. 29

“The American Nation will be broken in pieces.... you live in the day and hour of the judgments of God Almighty.... the hour of God’s judgment is at the door.... I wish to warn all nations.... Thrones will be cast down, nations will be overturned, anarchy will reign, all legal barriers will be broken down, and the laws will be trampled in the dust. You are about to be visited with war, sword, famine, pestilence, plague, earthquakes, whirlwinds, tempests, and with the flame of devouring fire.... the slain of the Lord will be many.”

- Prophet Wilford Woodruff, April 21, 1879, in Millennial Star, v. 41, p. 241

“Brigham raised his hand and said, ‘I swear by the eternal Heavens that I have unsheathed my sword, and I will never return it until the blood of the Prophet Joseph and Hyrum, and those who were slain in Missouri, is avenged. This whole nation is guilty of shedding their blood, by assenting to the deed, and holding its peace.’ ... Furthermore, every one who had passed through their endowments, in the Temple, were placed under the most sacred obligations to avenge the blood of the Prophet, whenever an opportunity offered, and to teach their children to do the same, thus making the entire Mormon people sworn and avowed enemies of the American nation.”

- Elder John D. Lee, Mormonism Unveiled, 1877, p. 160, online at

“These people [the Mormons] repudiate the authority of the United States in this country, and are in open rebellion against the general government…. So strong have been my apprehensions of danger to the surveyors that I scarcely deemed it prudent to send any out…. We are by no means sure that we will be permitted to leave, for it is boldly asserted we would not get away alive.”

- David H. Burr, Surveyor-General for Utah, August 30, 1856, letter to Thomas A. Hendricks, General Land Office, March 28, 1857; see Abanes, One Nation Under Gods, p. 229

“Mormon leaders consistently expressed their feelings that the war had been brought on by the wickedness of the United States, which had rejected Mormonism and permitted the death of the prophet of God and his servants…. Although the waste of lives was lamentable, a war between states would avenge the death of Joseph Smith. The Saints seemed especially gratified that Jackson County was a war zone and that Missouri would suffer the penalty of its cruelties to the Mormons. Besides avenging the blood of the innocent, the Lord would also prepare the way before his coming, which Mormons believed would occur in Jackson County, Missouri…. William Clayton wrote that such a spirit seemed to operate on Brigham Young’s mind: ‘All Latter-day Saints will not stay here [in Utah] forever. He [Young] talks much and frequently about Jackson County, Missouri.”

- Eugene E. Campbell, Establishing Zion: The Mormon Church in the American West, 1847-1869, 1988, p. 235

“So as to make you realize the enormity of Mormonism suffice it that I found them a community of traitors, murderers, fanatics, and whores. The people publicly rejoice at the reverse to our arms and thank God that the American government is gone as they term it, while their prophet and bishops preach treason from the pulpit. Federal officers are entirely powerless and talk in whispers for fear of being overheard by Brigham’s spies. Brigham Young rules with despotic sway and death by assassination is the penalty of disobedience to his command.”

- Colonel Patrick E. Conner, Union Army officer, letter dated September 14, 1862; see Abanes, One Nation Under Gods, p. 274

1,208 posted on 05/08/2012 8:54:07 AM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama. Constitution party, here I come!)
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To: EternalVigilance
It is notable that in every conversation Romney Republicans must, in order to pass the initial laugh test, first admit that they can't stand the guy, that he has no morals, no principles, that he is a liar and a fake.

Exactly. "He's the best we could come up with," is not a campaign slogan.

1,209 posted on 05/08/2012 8:55:31 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Seizethecarp; NoLibZone; Jim Robinson; All
Obama loathes and wants to effectively replace the influence of all forms of religion with the power of the global socialist state...while the shameless chameleon Romney, whatever his shortcomings, does NOT!

The Master puppeteer is Satan. His primary political power will be THE Anti-Christ.

By way of parallel example, Romney is to the Mormon prophet what the Anti-Christ is to Satan. Puppet vs. Puppeteer.

This is where ignorance of Mormonism takes over in these religio-political threads. Because it makes absolutely ZERO difference here whatever Romney's personal machinations are! (Only the "prophet's" directives count!)

My Mormon ancestors go back a ways. I have more primary Lds documents than many perhaps even most Lds. I've read what they've spoken from the tabernacle pulpit; I've studied their leaders' writings.

If you have a certain control-freak @ the head of the Mormon church -- as their "prophet" -- then all bets are off are your forecasts.

We know...
...Joseph Smith was running for POTUS the year he died.
...That his ensuer, Brigham Young, was not only prophet but territorial governor who interfered in bringing Mormons to justice (i.e. Mountain Meadows Massacre).
...that 3rd "prophet" John Taylor eventually hated "the United Order" -- socialist/communist communities that his previous "prophets" put into place in communities like Orderville, Kanab, Brigham City, St. George, Bunkerville, Nevada, etc...they had 200 such communities planned...but became extinct by 1900.
...Lorenzo Snow, the 5th Mormon "prophet" 1898-1901, had even run one of these communist cities.

The 4th "prophet" before him, Wilford Woodruff, had the audacity along with Taylor in the 1880s to repeatedly rebuff the feds re: bigamy/polygamy. They thought their power trumped the govt.

There wasn't a Mormon "prophet" who was polygamy-free until of those was 6th "prophet" Joseph F. Smith, who lied under oath about polygamous arrangements during the Senate Smoot hearings in the early 1900s.

This is the "Mormon cloth" of leadership from which also -- generations later -- 80-something yr old Lds "prophets" are emerging...

Do we want the free world in the hands of some potential 90-95 yo "prophet" who directs Romney to do whatever he wants?


I wrote this in April 2009:

If Romney were to be elected, just how much advice would be coming from SLC? That in itself is a scary thought considering their desire for a return to LDS theocracy. But what have LDS leaders & authors themselves said? Here's just a small sample:

Here's what a journalist/spokesperson for the University of Utah said back in 1981:

“Mormons believe they have a divine commission to prepare the world for Christ's millennial reign in which they will serve as officers and administrators. The faithful Saint believes he is building the kingdom of God. This is what motivates the 30,000 full-time missionaries [note, this has almost doubled since 1981] to preach the gospel, and this is what keeps men in their eighties working at a pace that would pitch younger, less motivated men into their graves.” --University of Utah spokesperson Fred Esplin, “The Saints Go Marching On,” Utah Holiday, June 1981, p. 34.

LDS prophet Ezra Taft Benson himself also said in 1988: “Joseph Smith predicted that the time would come when the Constitution would hang, as it were, by a thread, and at that time 'this people will step forth and save it from the threatened destruction' [The White Horse Prophesy] Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, 1988, p. 619

LDS author Duane S. Crowther: “[T]here will be a complete change of government Washington, D.C. will cease to be the capital. The present national bureaucracy will have its end. The internal conflict will sweep away the current system of governments and will pave the way for the political kingdom of God and the millennial kingdom through which Jesus Christ will rule and reign...A new government will be established among the saints and that political kingdom of God will espouse and uphold the principles of constitutional government." Duane S. Crowther, Prophetic Warnings to Modern America, 1979, pp. 315-316

1,210 posted on 05/08/2012 8:56:08 AM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: ohioWfan; Elsie
I would suggest, rather, that you ask the Holy Spirit to examine your heart to see what if there is any truth in the reaction a number of us had to your posts, as we all should do when we are criticized.

(You mean like where you called Elz a rapist & pillager on this thread???...Does the Holy Spirit instruct you to call people that???)

1,211 posted on 05/08/2012 8:58:53 AM PDT by Colofornian (Mom when I grow up, I want 2B like Ike. Mom when I grow up, I want 2B a god from Kolob like Mitt.)
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To: fml
share the horrid facts about the abused they suffered? Pfffft

That pretty says everything I need to know about you.

The truth is I know everything I need to know, and they are not threatening anyone's way of life

So in essence, you want to remain ignorant about Mormonism and refuse to acknowledge what others have said about the cult. You live for only you.

The bible thumping creeps here feel threatened by something they claim cannot touch them. It's ugly and casts all conservatives in a bad light.

What does, "bible thumping creeps" have to do with exposing a cult? Cults are dangerous to society whether they are a christian based one or some other.

If you don't like Mormonism being exposed for what it is, how then can you stand up for anything in life?

Conservatives don't bury their heads when it comes to the truth, that's a liberal reaction. You worry about conservatives being cast in a bad light? What about your blatant ignorance and apathy for the truth? That is liberal trait, not a conservative one.

1,212 posted on 05/08/2012 9:02:11 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Colofornian; Elsie
It was a hyperbolic metaphor, and clarified as such.

But yes, I was only suggesting that he do what ALL Christians are called to do, and that includes myself, and examine himself.

I have admitted to saying things that I shouldn't have said in the heat of the moment, and having to ask for forgiveness.

At no point did I put myself above others here in calling for restraint. I am not without sin, nor are you or "Elz."

btw, I'm glad you have his back, but Elsie is pretty good at taking care of himself. :)

Now, since I have already apologized for participating in this off-topic hijack of a thread, I will cease and desist. Any further criticism may be sent to me privately.


1,213 posted on 05/08/2012 9:11:46 AM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: Seizethecarp
One of the big reasons that ABO FReepers have shut their wallets is attacks on their character, religion and patriotism simply for holding a belief that the ineligible Marxist Manchurian is a far greater danger to our Republic and religions than Romney could ever be despite his Mormonism.

The fact that we are at this place doesn't hold well for the country.

A year ago, when people were saying, "I'd vote for a turd over Obama", I never thought that would actually be our choice.

1,214 posted on 05/08/2012 9:13:58 AM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Colofornian; EternalVigilance; Jim Robinson
“Ya know “ABO” = just a euphemism for Romney voters & Romney supporters & Rombots.”

Your ad hominem attack on my choice of words and your insinuation that I am a Romney “supporter” or “Rombot” is exactly the kind of divisive behavior (frankly bullying) that JimRob has requested that FReepers avoid in his TRUCE posting, IMO.

In my observation on FR most ABO FReepers regard Romney, at best, as a man with no core principles and with clear previous liberal stances, thanks to JimRob providing a platform for Romney's outrageous flip-flops to be exposed to conservatives who might otherwise have been taken in by his current marketing as a “conservative.”

Language is imprecise and sometimes words and terms that are not “perfect,” such as ABO and RINO don't mean the same thing to everybody but are useful shorthand.

This thread is intended to boost flagging donations by making ABO FReepers aware that JimRob posted a TRUCE message, which I invite you to re-read.

Feel free to attack the act of voting for Romney on other threads on the merits in accord with FR policy against personal attacks, but this thread intended to invite sincere conservative ABO FReepers to take notice of JR's TRUCE and DONATE, even if some FReepers appear to want to ignore the TRUCE.

1,215 posted on 05/08/2012 9:20:02 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: metmom

Tell me about it.

Seriously, this guy went to the toilet, ate (sushi, by the looks of it) and listened to music while talking to me on skype. And yeah - video chat mostly, though he had the courtesy to turn off video while on the loo!

Don’t know who invented the phrase Hollywierd, but it ain’t strong enough.

1,216 posted on 05/08/2012 9:23:23 AM PDT by EnglishCon (When life gets too much to stand - kneel.)
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To: metmom
I’ve been in public restrooms where people are on the phone while doing their business.

If I hear somebody on a cellphone in the bathroom, I make a point to rip one as loud as I can.

1,217 posted on 05/08/2012 9:24:40 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Colofornian

Who the hell are Virgil Goode and Tom H.? Who are people writing in? What are their chances of winning? We pushed for better candidates; we didn’t get it. If people with actual name recognition didn’t make it against Romney, what chance do those folks you mentioned have? Zero.

Is it really a revelation to you that, as of now, “ABO = Romney”?

That’s pretty sad.

1,218 posted on 05/08/2012 9:27:10 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (
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To: Future Snake Eater

Virgil Goode is the Constitutional Party candidate. From things I have heard, he is pretty solid, but is going to suffer from third party syndrome regardless.

Tom H - no clue. First I have heard of him too.

1,219 posted on 05/08/2012 9:31:23 AM PDT by EnglishCon (When life gets too much to stand - kneel.)
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To: EternalVigilance

“Obviously. Of course, most refuse to look at most of those tools, and folks like yourself try to make us believe we’re limited only to the tools you say we can safely use”

You won’t even face the obvious political reality that the race is between Obama and Romney. Then you switch the argument to personal principle from the political principle argument I’m making - and you insert the predictable self congratulatory rhetoric that breaks out here quite often because you “stick to your (personal) principles”, like you’re the only one who’s ever thought about that.

This is politics.

You’ve got Obama, and you’ve got Romney. That’s it.

It’s not that hard to understand.

1,220 posted on 05/08/2012 9:33:48 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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