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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2879805/posts?q=1&;page=1#1 ^ | May 6, 2012 | Seizethecarp

Posted on 05/06/2012 8:09:35 AM PDT by Seizethecarp

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To: gusty

Under your analysis, I have no dog in the fight either way. I am looking for a candidate who would, if the opportunity came:

Get rid of most of the Federal Government’s useless departments and agencies, notably the DOE, HUD, BATFE, and some others;

Get rid of government handouts such as WIC, for example;

Remove Obamacare immediately;

Not spend more money than was brought in;

Propose a flat 8% income tax (God doesn’t ask for more than 10%; why should the government?)if there has to be such a thing- a protective tariff such as was in place prior to the Wilson administration would be even better still;

Reinstate the military’s ban on homosexuals even serving, as it was prior to Clinton.

Encourage and support the passage of a Federal marriage amendment because a society that wishes to survive cannot do so in a state of anarchy, either political or social.

Social conservatism and fiscal conservatism need not be incompatible.


151 posted on 05/06/2012 12:21:09 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: eastforker
15 years ago that was pretty common ~ not so much these days. Trust me.

I remember CLOWN POSSE or was it KLOWN POSSE. Then there was an organized gang of libertarian homosexuals ~ they were a riot. They're gone.

152 posted on 05/06/2012 12:21:55 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: GeronL

I saw that ... and thanks for the ping!


153 posted on 05/06/2012 12:24:28 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Obama vs. Romney: Zero x Zero = Zero.)
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To: CatherineofAragon

“A thing can’t be demonized that already demonizes itself.”

“You came onto this thread angry, shrill, and screeching-—clearly intending to start something. IMO, you’re a malcontent who simply cannot tolerate a POV which disagrees with your own.”

You are too funny.

Will Jews go to heaven?


154 posted on 05/06/2012 12:25:10 PM PDT by NoLibZone (I trust Sarah Palin, Dick Cheney, Cain, Perry, Bachman : I trust their judgment on 2012 pick.)
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To: Seizethecarp

If you go to the link at the top of the thread you will see that all conservative FReepers are now being permitted to express a full range of views on how their conscience requires them to vote in November and why.


We conservatives are now being “permitted” to express our views?

Isn’t that special!

I donated to FR yesterday and it might be my last donation.


155 posted on 05/06/2012 12:27:08 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: CatherineofAragon

LOL... and I was trying to think of a cool way to say that I hoped that there were more girls at home like you ;^)


156 posted on 05/06/2012 12:33:27 PM PDT by AnTiw1 (Men who stand firm against an army of thousands, run when a tiger appears among them. ~ShirKhan~)
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To: Jim Robinson
OK Jim, but how come you allow articles to be posted for no other reason than to just trash a belief that so many do believe in?? An attack on a religion, or a lack of religion, for no other reason except to trash it, IMHO, is very unamerican. Now, I understand, in the course of discussion, when religion comes up, it is acceptable, however, if someone started up a vile thread that was anti-christian, it wouldn't be tolerated by you or the moderators. There is a lot of religious hate being spewed here Jim , and I don't understand why you allow it.Land of the free, home of the brave, and the freedom to worship freely, or not. Please, many of us just want the vile anti-mormon threads to just disappear.
157 posted on 05/06/2012 12:33:54 PM PDT by eastforker (Don't be ornery for Romney, instead Root for Newt!)
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To: Semper911; Seizethecarp
You can't just bully people to the point of them being ostracized and then just "call a truce." Well you can, but it doesn't mean people will trust you again or feel welcome again.

"Bully" is precisely the right word, Semper.

There have been people triple teaming to try to get good freepers banned, tattling, ridiculous name-calling, and all with no response from the Mods.

If it just happened to me I'd say "oh, well" and stay away for a while, but it happened to some of the most thoughtful long-term, proven conservatives, and it frankly made me think that the forum itself was done for.

I'm sorry, Seize, but donation under such a fragile truce (I was accosted just yesterday, and called "evil") isn't going to happen.

Like I said, I'm not a big time donor, and don't want to lose my posting privileges, and am as good (or bad) as anyone in getting into spitting matches, but it's going to take some time to see if the truce is a reality.

158 posted on 05/06/2012 12:34:23 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: Jim Robinson
I don’t see myself as a bigot or trying to set myself up as being holier than thou. The Christian bible (the true Word of God in my belief) clearly teaches us to beware of false prophets and false prophesy and I’m sincerely doubtful of Joseph Smith and his book.

How about Henry VIII? Would you tell people to beware of George Washington because he belonged to the sect started by him?

159 posted on 05/06/2012 12:35:34 PM PDT by Tribune7 (Oh, the irony)
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To: EternalVigilance
The MA Supreme Court ordered the Department of Public Health to allow gay marriage, with a stay of 180 days for the Legislature to create legislation modifying it.

The MA legislature couldn't do it, so the ruling took effect. As Governor, Romney could not overrule the Supreme Ct.

In their complaint the plaintiffs request only a declaration that their exclusion and the exclusion of other qualified same-sex couples from access to civil marriage violates Massachusetts law. We declare that barring an individual from the protections, benefits, and obligations of civil marriage solely because that person would marry a person of the same sex violates the Massachusetts Constitution. We vacate the summary judgment for the department. We remand this case to the Superior Court for entry of judgment consistent with this opinion. Entry of judgment shall be stayed for 180 days to permit the Legislature to take such action as it may deem appropriate in light of this opinion. See, e.g., Michaud v. Sheriff of Essex County, 390 Mass. 523 , 535-536 (1983).

(From the original ruling, concurred by the Supreme Ct.)

The State was a party to the suit (State Department of Public Health), Romney as Governor was certainly bound by the decision.

The MA Supreme Court had the authority to rule on this, the USSC refused to hear it and let it stand. Unfortunately, God's law didn't count in this matter.

There was no specific order to anyone, but the ruling stated clearly that gay marriage could not remain illegal.

That entire post is simply obfuscation and "the definition of what is is".

Romney simply enforced the Supreme Court ruling, as he should have. He did, in fact, fight it as long as he could.

The blame for gay marriage rests solely with the court....

160 posted on 05/06/2012 12:36:11 PM PDT by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: Tribune7

Sorry, not interested. Bait someone else. My statement stands as is.


161 posted on 05/06/2012 12:39:45 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: eastforker
There you go, mis quoting again, I never said I thought that, I said others might think that.

Did it ever occurr to you that might be a problem. Maybe a little more speaking for yourself and less speaking for others would help. Save the speaking for trees and dogs to liberals.

162 posted on 05/06/2012 12:40:29 PM PDT by Kudsman (The troubles begin and end with the "Progressives" -1010RD)
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To: eastforker

You can worship just as freely as you wish. Not trying to stop you.


163 posted on 05/06/2012 12:41:57 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

But why do you allow threads to be posted for no other reason but to trash and demonize what others might hold sacred? And you very well know who the crowd is that I am refering to. They do it 24/7 and have been doing so for years, not just lately.


164 posted on 05/06/2012 12:47:02 PM PDT by eastforker (Don't be ornery for Romney, instead Root for Newt!)
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To: GeronL

I fully understand your position. When it became obvious that Romney was going to be the GOP candidate my opinion was I’d rather have my enemy in front of me, where I know what he is going to do so I can prepare for it - instead of having my enemy behind me, stabbing me in the back every other day. If we can not change the tide with someone as despicable as Obama in the White House then when will we? When we have a less reprehensible Democrat in office?

After much thought and reflection, I still feel this way but I also understand that not voting or voting 2nd party or worse, voting for Obama assures the destruction of this country.

I will not continue helping Obama and progressives destroy all that works, is good, patriotic and exceptional about the United States.

I will also not slam those who would rather spit nails than cast a vote for Romney - I understand this, fully.

In the end though, I know when I’m standing in the voting booth, I will end up voting for Romney; not because I support him, agree with him, or believe his record is that much better or different than the “wons”. I have to consider Supreme Court picks, I have to consider coat-tails, I have to consider Romney if nothing else, understands capitalism and why it is above and beyond the most successful economic policy that has every existed and ever will.

Yes, I’ll hold my nose, choke down the vomit and circle the bubble in for Romney. I can only pray he brings in other Republicans into the Senate allowing us to take it. I pray his coat-tails will be big enough so we keep the House. I pray his supreme court picks will not include such vulgar, disgusting, anti-American jurists as Kagen and Sotomayor (who, admittingly has surprised me).

If nothing else, I will know I have not help put Obama into office for four more years - and in the end, that would be worse for this nation than anything a huge RINO like Romney could or would do to this nation.

That a truce has been called on FR, finally, is good. Face facts people Romney, whether we like it or not, is the candidate. We either have four more years of Obama or him. Those are our choice.

Nobody says we have to get on the Romney bandwagon and shouts his praises from the rooftops. Nobody is saying we have to even like the guy (I don’t), nobody says we can’t debate where his weaknesses are. Simply put, we either come together, not in support of Romney, but as Conservatives and make sure we do all we can to remove Obama and his fellow progressives out of office AT ALL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT.

FR is one way of doing this - it also allows us to pass along other ways of helping accomplish this goal.

This is it people, we have four years to turn our country back into the United States or get ready to surrender or go to war (figuratively not literally). I refuse to surrender.


165 posted on 05/06/2012 12:49:22 PM PDT by Brytani (Liberals - destroying America since 1776)
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To: AnTiw1
"...We have discussed a number of important issues such as the Federal Employee Nondiscrimination Act (ENDA), which I have agreed to co-sponsor, and if possible broaden to include housing and credit, and the bill to create a federal panel to find ways to reduce gay and lesbian youth suicide, which I also support. One issue I want to clarify concerns President Clinton’s “don’t ask, don’t tell, don’t pursue” military policy. I believe that the Clinton compromise was a step in the right direction. I am also convinced that it is the first of a number of steps that will ultimately lead to gays and lesbians being able to serve openly and honestly in our nation’s military. That goal will only be reached when preventing discrimination against gays and lesbians is a mainstream concern, which is a goal we share...

What on EARTH does homosexuality have to do with housing and credit??????? Show me ONE person who has been discriminated against with respect to a loan or a house because they were homosexual?

And support for homosexuals serving openly in the military...No. Can't do it. I was trying to find a vice powerful enough to hold my nose, but that makes the point moot to me. I am going to have to find some other way to exercise my rights as a citizen than voting for Mitt Romney.

I won't demonize anyone who does. I think it is a personal choice. But presented as it was in this passage above, I can't do it. I cannot pull the lever for him.

166 posted on 05/06/2012 12:51:22 PM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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To: eastforker

Astonishing ... you were one of the last freepers I would have thought would whine political correctness to try and squelch others.


167 posted on 05/06/2012 12:52:50 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Osage Orange

"Why don't you just go ahead and list these religious bigots that you say live here. While you're at it...give us some examples of this bigotry.

So I guess...from your point of view, all religions are equal in your eyes. Muslims, Christians, Hindu's, Satanists, J.W.'s, Buddists, Mormons, etc...etc........all the same!!"

You are posting in a public forum, and I provided you with exactly what you where asking for, so why don't you LEARN TO DEAL WITH REALITY, and LEARN TO SEND PRIVATE MAIL, k thx.

168 posted on 05/06/2012 12:55:01 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: A.Hun

Your unwillingness to tell the truth about something so important will definitely earn you your Romney Republican merit badge.

Shoot, it might even earn you a paying gig.


169 posted on 05/06/2012 12:56:01 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Act in faith, not out of fear.)
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To: NoLibZone

Why do you ask?


170 posted on 05/06/2012 12:56:14 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Time for a write-in campaign...Darryl Dixon for President)
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To: AnTiw1

LOL thank you, AnTiw1.


171 posted on 05/06/2012 12:57:12 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon (Time for a write-in campaign...Darryl Dixon for President)
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To: chris37

ROFLOL!! Nice play, chump.


172 posted on 05/06/2012 1:01:15 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: MHGinTN

Political correctness has nothing to do with it. It is what YOU and YOUR crew of evengelical covenant try to force down everyones throat completely unchecked 24/7. You want to talk about how you believe? Fine! Start a thread on that without having to trash what someone else might find to be sacred to them. You happen to be one of those holierthanthough I was speaking of earlier.


173 posted on 05/06/2012 1:01:55 PM PDT by eastforker (Don't be ornery for Romney, instead Root for Newt!)
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To: ohioWfan
I don't think you are evil O. Quite the opposite in fact. I have read your posts for many years and value your opinion and the thought process that leads you to those opinions. I know you realize how important convictions are to so many of our brethren here at FR. I will promise you this. I will not agitate against Mr. Romney unprovoked. A blatant falsehood by him or his camp will be rebutted though. My attention will remain focused on Zero and the progs so long as Mr. Romney's organization does the same. If his supporters quit trying to convince me with words how conservative he is I would respect them more for their honesty. He should stick with how he differs from Obama rather than wasting his energy trying to convince me how similar he is to me.

I really don't want to see any Freepers removed other than the obvious trolls. Heck people with differing opinions make me constantly re-examine mine and learning something is half the fun of Him giving me another day on this side of the grass. Stay well, and stay around please.

174 posted on 05/06/2012 1:07:08 PM PDT by Kudsman (The troubles begin and end with the "Progressives" -1010RD)
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To: Seizethecarp

That would be CINO.

Voting for Romney would be CINO.


175 posted on 05/06/2012 1:09:14 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: muawiyah
Some of it is pretty subtle so you'd have to know more about their own religious beliefs to figure it out.

You're right.

When it comes to the anti-Mormon, anti-Catholic and anti-atheist threads here, one thing you never have to worry about is missing the message due to excessive subtlety.........

176 posted on 05/06/2012 1:09:35 PM PDT by Notary Sojac (Ut veniant omnes)
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To: Seizethecarp
If jackasses like you keep up your one letter abbreviations I'm going to cancel my $35/month donation!
177 posted on 05/06/2012 1:12:16 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: A.Hun
As Governor, Romney could not overrule the Supreme Ct.

I'm guessing they didn't teach about co-equal branches, or separation of powers, or enumerated powers, or checks and balances, in Romney Republican training classes, eh?

Perhaps the professors were the same Republican lawyers who were advising Romney when he was governor?

But, in any case, Romney did not have to "overrule the Supreme Ct."

All he had to do to check this lawless liberal court was to DO NOTHING, just like the legislature had already done.

And there isn't a thing in the world the court could have done about it.

Checkmate.

But no. Romney abused his power, violated his state's constitution, and made up a lawless "law" of his own. One that is in gross violation of the natural law. And one that has helped push the homosexual agenda forward across the land.

And now he, and his henchmen, lie, and lie, and lie, about it.

178 posted on 05/06/2012 1:13:00 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Act in faith, not out of fear.)
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To: Jim Robinson

What it is is the reality of the situation.

Why don’t you call me some more names while you’re at it, Mr. Robinson?


179 posted on 05/06/2012 1:13:38 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Seizethecarp
Persons who believe that their religious beliefs are superior and who denounce others for their ABO view appear to be a tiny minority.

Well that hardly at all is a truce making statement... and you then wonder why people defend their stance against such nonsense as you've just so rudely made.

Therefore I will continue to make statements as I see fit to expose your hypocrisy's....this statement being one of them.

180 posted on 05/06/2012 1:13:45 PM PDT by caww
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To: Seizethecarp

I was forced to be an ABO because the candidate I supported didn’t make it to the finish line. I will be visiting the link because the truce is the right thing to do and maybe in the meantime we can drag Romney to our side.


181 posted on 05/06/2012 1:14:27 PM PDT by tobyhill (Conservatives are proud of themselves, Liberals lie about themselves)
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To: ohioWfan; All

I proposed a truce among the conservative posters on FR. There is nothing to be gained by our grassroots coalition ripping itself apart. We’re going to need each other more than ever after the election regardless of which liberal progressive is elected. I made no instructions to the moderators. We are all pro-Life, pro-Liberty pro-small government, self-governing, responsible adult conservatives here. We shouldn’t need nannies to force us to behave ourselves.


182 posted on 05/06/2012 1:15:02 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Notary Sojac
Bet you don't know all the Catholics on these threads ~ if you did you wouldn't be saying that ~ they simply do not get attacked.

Now, the Mormons, they are paying a price for everything (pro and con) going on the net. But I'm not part of that debate at all ~ some of my ancestors were actually kicked out of what became the LDS ~ for all the generations.

183 posted on 05/06/2012 1:15:23 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Lazamataz

In the old world you would be Laz of the Mataz.


184 posted on 05/06/2012 1:15:59 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: chris37

If you continue posting like a chump, I most definitely will. Push too hard, you’ll see the door.


185 posted on 05/06/2012 1:16:53 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: tobyhill

Ditto.

Romney was at the very bottom.

Like RUSH said : anyone on that stage could do a better job of running the country.

“And my answer is simple: compared to Barack Obama?

You know this is not a choice between Mitt Romney and Ronald Reagan.

This is a choice between Mitt Romney and the most radical, leftist president in American history.”.  Newt Gingrich


186 posted on 05/06/2012 1:17:43 PM PDT by NoLibZone (I trust Sarah Palin, Dick Cheney, Cain, Perry, Bachman : I trust their judgment on 2012 pick.)
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To: caww
Regarding 'hypocrisy' it's all in the mind of the supposed observer.

The problem with dwelling on the hypocrisy of others is you might arrive at Mohammad's conclusion of 'Kill the Hypocrites'.

I say leave the concern over hypocrisy to the Leftwingtards. They dwell on it incessantly and imagine that we should be making public policy lest we seen, by someone, to be a hypocrite.

Frankly, I don't care if you or someone thinks someone is hypocritical ~ that's just an hallucination.

187 posted on 05/06/2012 1:19:39 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: chris37

And I’m guessing that’s what you’re really after. Self-immolation, martyrdom, etc. You’ll be a great hero to your chums when you post your grand opus.


188 posted on 05/06/2012 1:19:59 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: eastforker
Not saying you have to compliment what others might believe, but to spend hours on end copying and pasting articles demonizing another religion or belief is getting quite tiresome.

At the side of the page is a scroll bar which comes in very handy when you are not interested in getting your feathers ruffled....I would suggest you make it your friend, then you will have regained your strength instead of "getting tired". It really doesn't take anything more than the use of your mouse....and won't exert you in the slightest.

189 posted on 05/06/2012 1:20:05 PM PDT by caww
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To: running_dog_lackey
people who think that Joesph Smith was a con-man, feel free to name me.

Mine too.... that's a list I'd be proud to afix my name to.

190 posted on 05/06/2012 1:22:32 PM PDT by caww
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To: NoLibZone

Well, Mitt Romney would without a doubt be the most radical leftist president in Republican history (or at least in our lifetimes) so I guess there’s a high point there for someone.


191 posted on 05/06/2012 1:23:30 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: GeronL

Can you believe it!...the poster announces Jim’s truce then in the same breath spews their insults. Sounds like they are still thinking this is all about them.


192 posted on 05/06/2012 1:25:48 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Well noob, I have been here for some time now, so I like to see whats going on here.Anti-mormon threads are not always posted as a religion thread and as far as I am concerned it’s everybodys business what goes on here.And yup, you are another one of those holierthanthough posters.


193 posted on 05/06/2012 1:26:15 PM PDT by eastforker (Don't be ornery for Romney, instead Root for Newt!)
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To: eastforker

My statement stands as is. Don’t read the threads you don’t like.


194 posted on 05/06/2012 1:26:25 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: caww

I noticed that. In the same thread and sometimes in the same post.


195 posted on 05/06/2012 1:27:56 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Jim Robinson

Fair eanough Jim, now you know why everything is down, I just thought I would enlighten ya about it. Continue on,but, there is more to conservatism than bashing other religions that may not be up to par in your views.


196 posted on 05/06/2012 1:30:19 PM PDT by eastforker (Don't be ornery for Romney, instead Root for Newt!)
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To: eastforker

We are SO screwed this election cycle.

Unless romney gets run out of the convention and we nominate someone else, which would be justice...

197 posted on 05/06/2012 1:30:41 PM PDT by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: Seizethecarp
how Barry is likely to proceed in destroying America if he gets another term!

There is no difference between Romney and Barry's agenda's...they both will assume control...and has nothing to do with the voter except to extract revenues from to support those agenda's....and you're vote to make it possible.

I am voting against them both ....

Rule of thumb...."if the choice is between two evils...vote against evil"....regardless of what colors they choose to deceive with.

198 posted on 05/06/2012 1:33:59 PM PDT by caww
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To: muawiyah
Hardly anyone has been totally banned. They were told to shut up on certain topics (Treyvon, pro-Romney, etc.) and they did. I've seen all those people posting on other stuff.

Shut up talking about what people are being told to shut up talking about.

199 posted on 05/06/2012 1:35:28 PM PDT by Lazamataz (To the wall, street occupiers!!!!!)
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To: chris37
Fair enough. I have personally been called a satanist on this website for describing my belief system. I didn’t really appreciate that **** a whole lot. And I know there won’t be any stopping it, because that’s how people are.

Two things:

1. Ignore the anklebiters.

2. Can I get a ride to tonights Devil Worship Mass?

200 posted on 05/06/2012 1:37:20 PM PDT by Lazamataz (To the wall, street occupiers!!!!!)
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