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Trending: Schwarzenegger asks, 'What would Ronald Reagan have done?'
CNN ^ | May 6, 2012 | Gregory Wallace

Posted on 05/06/2012 9:19:26 AM PDT by Innovative

Were Ronald Reagan in office today, some Republicans would "start looking for a 'real' conservative to challenge him in a primary," Arnold Schwarzenegger wrote in an op-ed published Saturday evening.

"What's important is our shared belief in the broad Republican principles of free enterprise and small government," he said in the op-ed published in the Los Angeles Times. "If we continue to fight one another without being willing to compromise, we will keep losing to big-government advocates."

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TOPICS: Editorial; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: conservatives; elections; obama; reagan; rino; romney; roni; schwarzenegger
Link to Schwarzenegger's editorial in the Los Angeles Times:

Schwarzenegger: GOP, take down that small tent

"To succeed, Republicans need to embrace true Reaganism, and that means embracing the true Reagan, a brave and independent leader who believed in solutions and compromise."

This reminds me of a famous Reagan quote, posted on FR by Diddle E. Squat:

"When I began entering into the give and take of legislative bargaining in Sacramento, a lot of the most radical conservatives who had supported me during the election didn't like it.

"Compromise" was a dirty word to them and they wouldn't face the fact that we couldn't get all of what we wanted today. They wanted all or nothing and they wanted it all at once. If you don't get it all, some said, don't take anything.

"I'd learned while negotiating union contracts that you seldom got everything you asked for. And I agreed with FDR, who said in 1933: 'I have no expectations of making a hit every time I come to bat. What I seek is the highest possible batting average.'

"If you got seventy-five or eighty percent of what you were asking for, I say, you take it and fight for the rest later, and that's what I told these radical conservatives who never got used to it."

1 posted on 05/06/2012 9:19:29 AM PDT by Innovative
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To: Diddle E. Squat

Posted the Reagan quote you posted a long time ago on FR.


2 posted on 05/06/2012 9:20:23 AM PDT by Innovative (None are so blind that will not see.)
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To: Innovative

I think at this point Reagan would recognize that the GOP has been moderated into a coma and suggest that the moderates consider moderating the party that actually needs it.


3 posted on 05/06/2012 9:22:55 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Innovative

Shaddup, arnie. You rino.


4 posted on 05/06/2012 9:23:14 AM PDT by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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To: Innovative
"What's important is our shared belief in the broad Republican principles of free enterprise and small government," he said

Is that why he banned .50 cal rifles while governor?

5 posted on 05/06/2012 9:25:39 AM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: cripplecreek; All

Reagan would be mortified at the GOP today.


6 posted on 05/06/2012 9:26:42 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Innovative

Hey Arnold you lost all credibility with me as Gov of Kalif. You made me ill when you reduced the sentence for your buddies kid in prison.

Go away...don’t even try to do movies either anymore.


7 posted on 05/06/2012 9:27:21 AM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11 0bie don' t eat my dog!)
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To: Innovative

Mein poor RINOs ..........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_UNjrijgeo


8 posted on 05/06/2012 9:28:55 AM PDT by tumblindice ("A gramme is better than a damn," said Lenina ... from behind her hands. "I wish I had my soma!")
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To: Innovative
“a brave and independent leader who believed in solutions and compromise.”

Sure Arnold, like how he compromised with the Soviets. All of those people telling him to be a hard liner with them, but in the end it was his compromising that led to the defeat of the USSR. Right?

By the way Arnold, how much compromising have the democrats been willing to do when they have carte blanche?

9 posted on 05/06/2012 9:30:16 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Innovative
“a brave and independent leader who believed in solutions and compromise.”

Sure Arnold, like how he compromised with the Soviets. All of those people telling him to be a hard liner with them, but in the end it was his compromising that led to the defeat of the USSR. Right?

By the way Arnold, how much compromising have the democrats been willing to do when they have carte blanche?

10 posted on 05/06/2012 9:30:28 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Innovative

Reagan had a knack for compromising without caving, and he was always went in the right direction. Importantly, he actually DID get 80% of what he wanted in exchange for the occasional shot of cancerous Democrat compromise.

Reagan, at least, had lines in the sand. One of those lines in the sand was communist health care. Reagan would NEVER have compromised his way into liberal Romney’s communist health care, not in a million years.


11 posted on 05/06/2012 9:35:50 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Innovative

This - coming from Mr. global warming who has unleashed a cadre of never-ending regulations in air-quality, transportation, city planning, health, land and water use that will control every detail of our lives. Arnold has no concept of individual freedom and small localized government.


12 posted on 05/06/2012 9:38:48 AM PDT by marsh2
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To: Innovative
What it boils down to is we need to support a liberal socialist political hack (R) so we can defeat a liberal socialist political hack (D).

The (R) deserves our hard earned labor and support and the (D) does not.

Make sense?

13 posted on 05/06/2012 9:41:24 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Innovative
"If we continue to fight one another without being willing to compromise, we will keep losing to big-government advocates."

Then become a democrat and stop trying to get people to compromise!

14 posted on 05/06/2012 9:44:18 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Innovative

I have several times posted here that my view is that George W. Bush has been the best and most conservative president in my lifetime, as unlike Reagan G.W. Bush did NOT sign on to the biggest tax increase in US history up to that time, did NOT cut and run in the middle east, did NOT appoint any soft justices to the SCOTUS and did NOT sign an immigration amnesty bill.

Still I think what Schwarznegger is missing is that conservatives are tired of making deals and getting a bad deal. They would be less dogmatic if when they gave up 30% they were able to keep the 70%. Heck even if when they gave up 70% if they actually got to keep the 30%. Reagan’s amnesty bill was made in exchange for better border enforcement, but he got little there. His tax cuts were for spending cuts that never materialized. So some of the blame for polarization goes to Dims who have failed to live up to deals they agreed to.

Of course some of this is that today’s parliament can not bind a future one. So you must keep winning elections over and over and over. And this is where Schwarznegger is right in one sense. That a very few conservatives sat out in 2008 and way too much of the squishy middle of the GOP voted Obama gave us Justice Sotomayor and Justice Kagan, gave us Obama care, gave us cap and trade by bureaucratic fiat, etc.

If you want to reverse any of this, you have to get Obama out of there and elect a strong GOP majority in Congress. [If you want the status quo, then you can ignore the presidency.] You have to do it election after election even if from time to time a GOP president screws up and gives us Justice O’Connor.


15 posted on 05/06/2012 9:46:00 AM PDT by JLS (How to turn a recession into a depression: elect a Dem president with a big majorities in Congress))
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To: Innovative
Kid Kompromise himself advising more compromise.

Like the "compromise" that left us $361 billion in debt in this state.

No sale, lunkhead.

16 posted on 05/06/2012 9:50:25 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Innovative
"If you got seventy-five or eighty percent of what you were asking for, I say, you take it and fight for the rest later, and that's what I told these radical conservatives who never got used to it."

Arnold caved completely. Bush caved 70%. The result was that largely Democrat policies were blamed on Republicans, and that took down the State of California, a Republican Congress and the Presidency.

RINOs suck. Got it?

Arnold did absolutely everything he could to keep down-ticket conservatives such as Tom McClintock from winning State-wide offices. How is that "big tent Republicanism"? He lied about budgets, he lied about government growth, he regulated his own base into leaving the State, and he fed his "bipartisan" corporate cronies (you know, the guys who pay for campaign consultants) until the State was in bankruptcy.

"We don't intend to turn the Republican Party over to the traitors in the battle just ended. We will have no more of those candidates who are pledged to the same goals of our opposition and who seek our support. Turning the party over to the so-called moderates wouldn't make any sense at all." - Ronald Reagan

IMHO, you are a lying and dishonest Party shill terrified that your sleazy lying candidate is somehow unappreciated here. You have NOTHING innovative to say.
17 posted on 05/06/2012 10:05:32 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The RNC would prefer Obama to a conservative nominee.)
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To: marsh2

“This - coming from Mr. global warming who has unleashed a cadre of never-ending regulations in air-quality, transportation, city planning, health, land and water use that will control every detail of our lives. “

You seem to forget that in CA the Legislature has an overwhelming extremely ciberal Dem majority. I vaguly remember reading that Schwarzenegger vetoed about half the bills these extreme liberals sent up to him,but obviously he couldn’t veto everything.

Conservatives in CA should work on electing more Republicans to their state legislature.


18 posted on 05/06/2012 10:05:42 AM PDT by Innovative (None are so blind that will not see.)
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To: Carry_Okie

See my post 18.


19 posted on 05/06/2012 10:06:53 AM PDT by Innovative (None are so blind that will not see.)
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To: Innovative

One thing I am sure of ....Reagan would have NEVER slept with this...

20 posted on 05/06/2012 10:07:55 AM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: JLS

“I have several times posted here that my view is that George W. Bush has been the best and most conservative president in my lifetime..... If you want to reverse any of this, you have to get Obama out of there and elect a strong GOP majority in Congress. “

Yours is an intelligent, sensible post. I hope people will read it and ponder it.


21 posted on 05/06/2012 10:09:19 AM PDT by Innovative (None are so blind that will not see.)
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To: Innovative; marsh2
You seem to forget that in CA the Legislature has an overwhelming extremely ciberal Dem majority.

You were posting that to an elected official? Next time, try understanding that a lot of FReepers are serious people, and not a herd of stupid sheep.

As to what she was telling you, NO, all of that enviro-crap wasn't a matter of Democrat preferences, it was Arnold's doing with Democrat approval,. IOW, usual RINO behavior (ala Nixon).

Shill.

22 posted on 05/06/2012 10:11:05 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The RNC would prefer Obama to a conservative nominee.)
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To: BookmanTheJanitor

So true. So true.


23 posted on 05/06/2012 10:27:03 AM PDT by GVnana (Newt 2012 - He Speaks for Us)
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To: Innovative; JLS

I read it and pondered it.
Except for the observation that Bush II “did NOT sign an immigration amnesty bill”—he had his pen ready and even took the time to taunt us a second time—yes, it was an intelligent, sensible post.
It was goodthinkful and you are both highly orthodox goodthinkers. I say that in the same way that an Amish man might say of another, “Ja, bruder Schmidt is very plain.”
At the same time, my computer won’t run on kerosene. So ignore the rest of us. We’re just thought criminals.

“Goodthink, a term from Nineteen Eighty-Four by George Orwell, is a Newspeak word signifying a set of thoughts and beliefs that is in accordance with those established by the Party.
In the rules of Newspeak, the noun stem (which also serves as a verb) can become the adjective goodthinkful, the adverb goodthinkwise, the past participle goodthinked, and the gerund goodthinking. Additionally, one who is “goodthinkful” is referred to as a goodthinker.
The opposite of certain aspects of goodthink is crimethink. However, according to the common rules of Newspeak words do not have opposites, and one would just add the prefix un- to the word.”

I’m thinking I might be able to cross something else off my bucket list: My own band. `tumblindice and the thought criminals.’

What do you ..... think? Give GOPAC a call, then let me know.


24 posted on 05/06/2012 10:30:55 AM PDT by tumblindice ("A gramme is better than a damn," said Lenina ... from behind her hands. "I wish I had my soma!")
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To: Innovative; NormsRevenge; CounterCounterCulture; calcowgirl; SierraWasp
Yours is an intelligent, sensible post. I hope people will read it and ponder it.

The spittin' image of FairOpinion has returned! Better go start another thread, "Innovative", this one has been handed back to you.

Of course, the tolerance level on FR for the damage your misbegotten ilk has perpetrated is far lower than in years past, so you may not get away with it for long. I'd get at least a six month contract in writing if I were you, because you won't last long here pitching that kind of garbage.

25 posted on 05/06/2012 10:31:33 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The RNC would prefer Obama to a conservative nominee.)
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To: Carry_Okie; NormsRevenge; CounterCounterCulture; calcowgirl; SierraWasp; JLS

In your response, you didn’t ping the original poster, JLS, to whom I responded and whose post I found very intelligent and sensible.

Obviously you couldn’t refute JLS’s statements in his/her posts, so you resorted to vicious attacks.

Pathetic!


26 posted on 05/06/2012 10:35:28 AM PDT by Innovative (None are so blind that will not see.)
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To: Innovative; JLS
Obviously you couldn’t refute JLS’s statements in his/her posts, so you resorted to vicious attacks.

After all the garbage you posted, you call a clerical omission pathetic? You're lucky I haven't filed abuse charges.

27 posted on 05/06/2012 10:38:16 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The RNC would prefer Obama to a conservative nominee.)
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To: tumblindice

“Except for the observation that Bush II “did NOT sign an immigration amnesty bill”—he had his pen ready and even took the time to taunt us a second time...”

So you prefer a president you think is with you all the time who nominates and gets confirmed Justice O’Connor to one you worry is not quite as much with you but who nominates and withdraws Hariet Miers and replaces her nomination that of with Justice Alito, when presented with conservative objections.

Bush was ready to sign an amnesty bill though one intended to give conservative illegal immigrants citizenship, but when faced with conservative opposition stepped up border enforcement.

I think I will go with results over style. Anyone can of course go the other way if they like. I am not sure it will get them the kind of results they are hoping for. At least it has not in my lifetime.


28 posted on 05/06/2012 10:55:36 AM PDT by JLS (How to turn a recession into a depression: elect a Dem president with a big majorities in Congress))
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To: Innovative
What would Ah-h-h-nold know about conservatives or Reagan? He pretty well destroyed the Republican brand and conservatives in Cal-i-for-nia under his governorship. Shut-up, Ah-h-h-nold.
29 posted on 05/06/2012 11:36:04 AM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: Innovative; marsh2; Carry_Okie

Nope, Arnold is a political GREEN through and through and AB32 was his achievement.

AB32 gives selected government agencies power to enact regulations that will effect every Californian’s life. It’s already happening and California won’t survive it.

People like Arnold ruined the Republican Party, not us conservatives.

He’s still at his GREEN, Big Government, UN agenda with his “Sustainia” project.

http://inhabitat.com/arnold-schwarzenegger-project-green-light-launch-sustainia-to-inspire-sustainable-living/


30 posted on 05/06/2012 12:23:41 PM PDT by twistedwrench
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To: JLS

Just because you want to re-write history, that doesn’t mean the rest of us have to swallow your revisions.

Bush was pushing amnesty with everything he had. He was totally invested in it, and I don’t know what world you live in, but illegals are NOT “conservative”.

Bush also spent money like a drunken sailor.


31 posted on 05/06/2012 12:35:51 PM PDT by Politicalmom (THIS IS NOT A GOP CHEERLEADING SITE!!!)
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To: Politicalmom

“Bush also spent money like a drunken sailor.”

Are you trying to call President Reagan a name?

In constant dollar terms Reagan’s deficits over 8 years were 2.81 trillion while G.W. Bush’ deficits over 8 years were 2.66 trillion.

To me that is pretty similar, though since GDP and population were great in 2001-2008 compared to 1981-1988, Reagan were more per capita and more as a percentage of GDP.


32 posted on 05/06/2012 2:06:30 PM PDT by JLS (How to turn a recession into a depression: elect a Dem president with a big majorities in Congress))
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To: Innovative
Yea Rnull you did so well for California
33 posted on 05/06/2012 3:02:26 PM PDT by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken)
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To: BookmanTheJanitor
She looks like a Mexican version of Beth from Dog the bounty hunter
34 posted on 05/06/2012 3:05:44 PM PDT by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken)
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To: twistedwrench; Carry_Okie; marsh2; editor-surveyor; Grampa Dave; calcowgirl; NormsRevenge; ...
"People like Arnold ruined the Republican Party, not us conservatives."

Well put and irrefutably and precisely correct!!!

This thread has been infected with a couple of really pussey thinkers!!!

35 posted on 05/06/2012 8:02:06 PM PDT by SierraWasp ("Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone..." --John Quincy Adams)
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To: Carry_Okie

Time to play whack-a-mole again, I see.


36 posted on 05/06/2012 9:11:42 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Time to play whack-a-mole again, I see.

It gets tiring, but RINOs do an awful lot of damage. True that the time could have been spent discussing how conservative principles solve problems, but some things are simply necessary.

37 posted on 05/06/2012 9:30:49 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The RNC would prefer Obama to a conservative nominee.)
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To: Innovative

No, you seem unaware that Arnold styles himself as Mr. Sustainability and Global Climate Change
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/11/17/BU761GD0QR.DTL

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/mar/07/arnold-schwarzenegger-sustainable-world


38 posted on 05/07/2012 10:20:09 AM PDT by marsh2
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