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FRENCH ELECTION: First results: Holland gave winner with 53% of votes
Lesoir.BE (Google Translated) ^ | 5-6-12 | Lesoir

Posted on 05/06/2012 9:27:17 AM PDT by tcrlaf

MINUTE BY MINUTE

6:01 p.m. From our special correspondent in Paris, since the room Mutuality (where Sarkozy is speaking): "A diplomatic source, it is our responsibility that the UMP has canceled the planned public gathering tonight Place de la Concorde".

5:30 p.m. The first results indicating a victory of Nicolas Sarkozy, François Hollande, by 53% against 47%, were confirmed in "Evening" this Sunday at 5:30 p.m. by an informed source close to the Rue de Solferino, the Paris headquarters of the French Socialist Party.

5:06 p.m. According to the French Ministry of the Interior, the turnout would reach 71.96% stake to 17.00. It was 75.11 in 2007.

16h45: New indications supplied by pollsters based on surveys conducted during the day. Harris Interactive poll: 53% Netherlands - 47% Sarkozy Sofres poll: 53% Netherlands - 47% Sarkozy Opinion Way poll: Netherlands 52.5% - 47.5% Sarkozy

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: election; eucrisis; france; franceelection; greece; hollande; sarkozy; socialist
I don't see any way this ends well, for France, for Europe, or for the American taxpayer.
1 posted on 05/06/2012 9:27:20 AM PDT by tcrlaf
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To: tcrlaf

Exit polls show Sarkozy has lost in France; Greek voters also turn on leaders

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/06/2786366/exit-polls-show-sarkozy-has-lost.html

“French Socialist Francois Hollande appeared headed to victory over President Nicolas Sarkozy, according to exit polls of voters released by Swiss and Belgian news media.

Those polls showed Hollande with 52 to 53 percent of the vote in an election that turned on solutions for Europe’s economic crisis amid record unemployment in France.

French voters were still headed to cast their ballots when the exit polls were released in the early evening - the French polls close at 8 p.m. local time, 2 p.m. Eastern - but the outcome seemed all but certain. “

The return of socialism... People never learn.


2 posted on 05/06/2012 9:35:08 AM PDT by Innovative (None are so blind that will not see.)
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To: tcrlaf

LOL at the Google translator changing “Hollande” to “Netherlands.”


3 posted on 05/06/2012 9:36:28 AM PDT by southernnorthcarolina ("Better be wise by the misfortunes of others than by your own." -- Aesop)
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To: tcrlaf

Wonder if that company in Spain counted the votes?


4 posted on 05/06/2012 9:39:00 AM PDT by ryderann
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To: tcrlaf
This very odd Google translation can easily be misread to show Sarkozy's party in the lead. This is NOT the case.

The very socialist Hollande ("Netherlands", (sic)) is, barring some late shock or fraud, going to win by about 53% of the vote.

Early results from Greece appear to show that the so-called New Democrats ("moderate" socialists) will poll about 19%, with the hard-left Syrizia party having about 18% and the fully socialist PASOK party with about 15.5%. Such a result would probably guarantee NO EFFECTIVE COALITION government, and a stone-cold Greek default. There is a foreign-law bond payment due in a week's time, and these bondholders DID NOT join the bailout coalition and thus WILL demand payment. And Greece has no way to pay it, therefore some flavour of lawsuit will eventuate.

Go long NKK (Norwegian Kronor) and short Euro tonight, most likely....but not just yet. Wait for more results; by 6-7pm US time, the results should be clear...but it may well be the case that Greece's counting will go on all night.

5 posted on 05/06/2012 9:39:58 AM PDT by SAJ (What is the next tagline some overweening mod will censor?)
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To: tcrlaf
If it's true that Hollande has won, that will be bad news for the Eurozone, the Euro, the European economy and ultimately ours as well.

France has its own smoldering debt problem due to too much "social spending" and if they don't get a handle on it relatively quickly, the're going to join the PIIGS (Portugal, Italy, Ireland, Greece, Spain.)

6 posted on 05/06/2012 9:40:04 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: usconservative

piigs...that is funny..and true!


7 posted on 05/06/2012 9:42:48 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: tcrlaf

Its a one way valve - the state and its clients will always get their way until it becomes physically impossible for them to do so. As it will one day soon.


8 posted on 05/06/2012 9:46:35 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Innovative

I see red in my future...


9 posted on 05/06/2012 9:48:29 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: tcrlaf

Granted that this is devastatingly bad for France, why is it bad news for the US? Is this at all positive for Obama?


10 posted on 05/06/2012 9:53:28 AM PDT by Piranha (If you seek perfection you will end up with Democrats.)
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To: tcrlaf
French Socialist Francois Hollande appeared headed to victory over President Nicolas Sarkozy, according to exit polls of voters released by Swiss and Belgian news media.

This will solve all their problems.

11 posted on 05/06/2012 9:54:26 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: tcrlaf

Europe is too far down the road where an election will make a big difference. A lot of tough times ahead that can’t be avoided.


12 posted on 05/06/2012 9:54:26 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Piranha

“why is it bad news for the US?”

Because the ONLY way to keep Europe, and it’s banks, afloat in the coming months is for the EU and Fed to print, print, print.

QE-to-Infinity coming as soon as the shock waves hit the US markets, and the inflation that comes with it.

Just watch how this all unfolds.


13 posted on 05/06/2012 9:58:13 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: Piranha
One reason...our companies sell lots of stuff to the Euro-zone.

If the socialist wins and puts Europe in the tank so they can't enact austerity measures, their economy crumbles and they can't buy our goods.

There are other reasons too.

14 posted on 05/06/2012 10:05:08 AM PDT by what's up
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To: tcrlaf
If the Socialists win, Sarkozy & his centre-right party will be weakened. Marine Le Pen, and the National Front will become the de facto opposition on the right.

Imagine the Tea Party, led by Sarah Palin, as the opposition to the socialists under Obama.

(Why doesn't the U.S. select it's Presidential candidates years in advance — so they can stand by as the official spokesperson for their respective parties?)

15 posted on 05/06/2012 10:09:21 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Piranha

It will ring positive to the lowest common denominator, OBAMA, and his message that government is the best provider. How could Europe be wrong???
This election in Europe isn’t going to take long to clearly depict the calamity that is going to happen when the money isn’t there to continue the entitlements, pay the bond debt, and raise taxes through the roof. The problem is the people recieving the payouts from gov. don’t give a damn. Just keep giving me.


16 posted on 05/06/2012 10:09:29 AM PDT by bramps
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To: tcrlaf

The French reject a flawed politician who at least had the goal of setting responsible spending limits for an all out socialist named Hollande.

Idiots.


17 posted on 05/06/2012 10:14:18 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: usconservative

piigs...that is funny..and true!


18 posted on 05/06/2012 10:15:12 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: tcrlaf

Kiss the stock market goodbye Monday. It’s going to plunge.


19 posted on 05/06/2012 10:15:17 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: Piranha
Is this at all positive for Obama?

I dunno, but if you have money to invest the US looks like a much better bet than Europe. At least in the short term anyway. Elections like this just prove Europeans don't really want to curtail their social welfare states. This will cause a lot of jitters among investors and likely exacerbate the European debt crisis. Not that we are much better when it comes to debt, spending and dependence, but it appears we can still kick the can down the road awhile longer.

20 posted on 05/06/2012 10:17:39 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: WashingtonSource

During the past six months we pretty much got out of the stock market, reducing our debt, refinanced our mortage at 3 3/8% and now we are waiting.


21 posted on 05/06/2012 10:26:13 AM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: Longbow1969

US is at the tipping point. Europe tipped a while back. There are more votes for free stuff than there are workers. It will never get better until or unless something catastrophic occurs. Like another World War started in , you guessed it, Europe. I see no path for the Eurozone to satisfy their debts, their promises and their goofy third way economies. It’s gonna all come unglued I think.


22 posted on 05/06/2012 10:32:31 AM PDT by jwalsh07 (.)
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To: Pride in the USA; Stillwaters

Today the majority of French and Greek people have decided that the best remedy for the economic collapse wrought by decades of socialism is more socialism.


23 posted on 05/06/2012 10:35:01 AM PDT by lonevoice (Klepto Baracka Marxo, impeach we much.)
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To: jwalsh07

I do agree with you. Europe, California, Illinois, etc, show the destructive power of government dependence. In certain ways one could argue that voluntarily sliding down the rat hole of socialism is almost worse than violent communist takeovers. At least when countries throw off the shackles of communism they often discard near everything associated with it. It is clear the democratic socialist systems fail too (albeit more slowly), but the majority dependent don’t seem to be able to accept that the social welfare components of the system are the core of the problem.

Future generations of conservative people are going to have to be certain, when constitutions are re-written here, Europe and elsewhere, that socialist schemes are more specifically written out of them. It is obvious our founding fathers never would have approved of what we are doing, but the constitution was vague enough that it has allowed leftists the loopholes they need with which to ram through their “progressive” policies.


24 posted on 05/06/2012 10:46:39 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: tcrlaf

Bon Jouir my Froggy Friends!

Say Good Bye to your paychecks as the Marxists tax you to death and cut the work week to 20 hours....
and give your lazy shiftless peons 90 days paid vacation a year...
and Muslims flood into your country by the Millions!!!
go straight onto welfare and start rioting for more consessions.

you French love your Culture??? what a laugh! in 50 Years you wont be able to find anyone that speaks it.


25 posted on 05/06/2012 12:20:46 PM PDT by LtKerst
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To: Piranha

“Granted that this is devastatingly bad for France, why is it bad news for the US? Is this at all positive for Obama?”

You see this clearly. It is now up to every conservative American (I know, that’s redundant) to make a clear connection between France, Greece, and the Dem party throughout the election period. Everytime a leftist makes a comment, say “Greece”. If someone says Obama is not that bad or they have always been a Dem or anything else Dem, say “Greece”. This puts them immediately off balance and keeps your point brief but strong. Every time you meet a leftist, say “Greece”. You don’t have to say anything else—it will be up to them to figure out what to say and they will have a really tough time thinking of a counterpoint.

I believe the next few days will provide excellent counter-Dem news. The challenge will be to get the information to American voters that what is now happening in France and what has already happened in Greece is simply Obamanomics.

Watch how economics reacts to France’s voting behavior.


26 posted on 05/06/2012 12:22:53 PM PDT by iacovatx (If you must lie to recruit to your cause, you are fighting for the wrong side.)
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To: Innovative

“The return of socialism... People never learn.”

The French people haven’t yet felt enough effect from their spending habits.

The Greeks have felt it but haven’t yet figured out they can’t vote a return to profligate spending. They feel they have to actually embrace more strongly the socialists who got them into their mess hoping it will return everything to the way it was before. Someday, it will become more generally clear those socialists can’t print prosperity any longer.

Many of the socialists alive today will never change their beliefs and will romanticize their past till their dying days. Expect change to come from younger Greeks who want a better future and are willing to try something different.

Recently, someone pointed out that young, educated Greeks are lining up to get into other countries where they can seek a better future. Greece will never recover from their exit.


27 posted on 05/06/2012 12:35:17 PM PDT by iacovatx (If you must lie to recruit to your cause, you are fighting for the wrong side.)
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To: tcrlaf

This only hastens the inevitable. Nothing can change what is coming down the pike.

It is a mescaline fantasy to think that any of these countries are going to give up cradle to grave socialism.

We are next in line.

Quit praying that there will be some sort of last minute epiphany and solution, there or here. Not going to happen. People should be devoting whatever available resources they have towards preparation for what is coming.


28 posted on 05/06/2012 12:35:17 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: iacovatx; All

CNN saying that the French Elections are telling REPUBLICANS that cutting to what you are spending WILL NOT WORK.

HOW DO THESE IDIOTS FUNCTION IN NORMAL SOCIETY?


29 posted on 05/06/2012 12:46:31 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: Piranha
"Is this at all positive for Obama?"

Yes, I fear. Freeloaders in the US have grown exponentially since Obama started handing out borrowed money by the truck-load to them... they'll vote for more of the same.

Meanwhile conservatives don't have a candidate to stop the madness - hence the US will continue to roar toward the same abyss.

30 posted on 05/06/2012 1:11:10 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: Innovative

I wonder what this will mean for the political world, both locally in France and globally with the USA, Europe, etc?


31 posted on 05/06/2012 1:17:45 PM PDT by ducttape45
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To: fabian

That term for those countries has been around a long time.


32 posted on 05/06/2012 1:44:50 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: ducttape45

woohoo, barry has a new BFF.
But we’re still one step ahead of France. We elected a socialist/communist muslim.


33 posted on 05/06/2012 1:48:45 PM PDT by sunny48 (America, home of the offended)
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To: iacovatx

I sincerely hope you’re right!

However, the media in this country is going to promote this as a big win for Leftism and Obama specifically. I don’t know what bald faced lies and BS they’ll spout, but they’ll try to make it the meme of the week/month/etc, as Hollande goes forward and probably sustains, at least temporarily, a honeymoon period with the French press and the voters.

Will the sheep here fall for it?


34 posted on 05/06/2012 1:52:33 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: iacovatx

I sincerely hope you’re right!

However, the media in this country is going to promote this as a big win for Leftism and Obama specifically. I don’t know what bald faced lies and BS they’ll spout, but they’ll try to make it the meme of the week/month/etc, as Hollande goes forward and probably sustains, at least temporarily, a honeymoon period with the French press and the voters.

Will the sheep here fall for it?


35 posted on 05/06/2012 1:52:51 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Innovative

This time they are going to try socialism with no where to go to pay for anything.
We are about to witness the collapse of France.


36 posted on 05/06/2012 1:57:14 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: southernnorthcarolina

Their translator produces some pretty informal outcomes.

Plug ‘ce pula mea’ into the Romanian side and see what happens.


37 posted on 05/06/2012 2:14:05 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: Innovative
>> The return of socialism... People never learn. <<

For socialism to "return", it would have to have left in the first place. France has always been socialist, no matter what label they call themselves. Ask "conservative" Nicholas Sarkozy how he feels about universal health care.

38 posted on 05/06/2012 2:47:56 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Illegals for Perry/Gingrich 2012 : Don't be "heartless"/ Be "humane")
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To: tcrlaf

Does it really matter who leads France?


39 posted on 05/06/2012 3:58:44 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: tcrlaf

The French proving once again they have no men.


40 posted on 05/06/2012 4:09:57 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Some day our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: Texas Eagle

obviously not because the Islamo-Nazis have taken it over just as much as when Jackass Chirac was Prez, I assume by using the “boo” technique..The Islamo-Nazis say “Boo” and the French immediately drop to their knees in surrender.


41 posted on 05/06/2012 4:12:31 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Some day our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: Vince Ferrer
Europe is too far down the road where an election will make a big difference. A lot of tough times ahead that can’t be avoided.

Yep, their spending is out of control. Their borders have been opened to those that compromise their values and traditional way of life. And they have socialist leaders whose only goal is to support the masses of unionized workers by raising taxes and transferring wealth.

Wait, doesn't that also describe the United States?

42 posted on 05/06/2012 7:53:02 PM PDT by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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To: tcrlaf

An argument could be made that France is Prince William’s by birthright...


43 posted on 05/07/2012 5:45:34 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: wolfman23601

How so?


44 posted on 05/07/2012 7:44:06 AM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Innovative
The return of socialism... People never learn.

People who do nothing but consume eventually have nothing left to consume but each other.

Europe is digging it's own grave. If the U.S. voter doesn't wake up, we're going to end up the same way.

45 posted on 05/07/2012 7:59:12 AM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: tcrlaf

“CNN saying that the French Elections are telling REPUBLICANS that cutting to what you are spending WILL NOT WORK.

HOW DO THESE IDIOTS FUNCTION IN NORMAL SOCIETY?”

They DON’T function in normal society. They only interpret the election in terms of how to win. It is tantamount to saying that, if you Republicans want to win in November, you should promise to spend spectacular amounts of money and give a sufficient percent of the electorate “gifts”. In that, they are correct. It has worked for decades to elect socialist-leaning candidates around the globe. Of course, you WILL face economic stress, even depression, at some point but as long as the electorate is not smart enough to understand economics, the electorate will not understand the cause-effect relationship between government spending and their personal starvation.
If the Repubs want to have a winning November, they need only plaster the landscape with the message that Repub=success for you, Dem=Greece. Hammer that home endlessly. Let the electorate watch France, Greece, the PIIGS, Argentina, the unemployment rate and keep saying “Repub=success for you, Dem=Greece”, till every last voter can recite it in his or her sleep.

Keep saying it—even shorten it to:

“Dem=Greece”


46 posted on 05/07/2012 11:41:48 AM PDT by iacovatx (If you must lie to recruit to your cause, you are fighting for the wrong side.)
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To: EGPWS

Yes, as we send more funds to prop up their economy.


47 posted on 05/07/2012 3:46:35 PM PDT by Bronzy (No more RINO's)
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