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The end of the line for Minnesota's coal plants?
pioneer press ^ | 5-6-12 | Leslie-Brooks Suzukamo

Posted on 05/06/2012 6:39:52 PM PDT by TurboZamboni

Sherburne County Generating Station, better known as Sherco, is a power-producing workhorse.

But even good workhorses head to the glue factory eventually.

The 2,400 megawatt coal-fired plant in Becker, 45 miles northwest of the Twin Cities, has generated the bulk of Xcel Energy's electricity for Minnesota for more than three decades.

(Excerpt) Read more at twincities.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; News/Current Events; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: coal; coalplants; energy; epa; mn

1 posted on 05/06/2012 6:39:56 PM PDT by TurboZamboni
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To: TurboZamboni
End of the line for inexpensive electricity for Minnesota ratepayers.

"You can evade reality, but you can't evade the consequences of evading reality."

-- Ayn Rand


2 posted on 05/06/2012 6:46:59 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: TurboZamboni

They’ll regret it when they get a real cold winter and space heaters eat up the juice.


3 posted on 05/06/2012 6:52:41 PM PDT by CedarDave (Romney: Dresses and looks like a '50's character from "Mad Men" but no one's buying his shtick.)
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To: CedarDave

Something tells me the coal mines north of Bismark are gonna be slowing down


4 posted on 05/06/2012 7:01:44 PM PDT by South Dakota (shut up and drill)
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To: Steely Tom

First the Monticello nuclear plant is slated to be shut down, with no future of any new nuclear plant thanks to the DFL in St. Paul. Now the Sherburne coal plants. And the Minneapolis Lefties will fight the natural gas plants as well since the natural gas coming from eeevvvilll fracking (no doubt supported by the eeeevvvilllll Koch Brothers). So good for Minneapolis. May that city fall into a pre-industrial darkness. There will be no Skittles crapping unicorns to supply its energy.


5 posted on 05/06/2012 7:02:53 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is the operational wing of CPUSA.)
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To: CedarDave

A warm winter is an anomaly in most parts of Minnesota.


6 posted on 05/06/2012 7:02:53 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: TurboZamboni

Thank you global warming facists.


7 posted on 05/06/2012 7:09:23 PM PDT by bray (Power to We the People)
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To: Steely Tom

Barack Obama’s original quote, which came from a videotaped interview he did with the San Francisco Chronicle editorial board very early in the presidential campaign, January 2008.

“Under my plan of a cap-and-trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket,” Obama told the Chronicle . “Coal-powered plants, you know, natural gas, you name it, whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, they would have to retrofit their operations. That will cost money. They will pass that money on to consumers.”

I think what Hussein meant was they will pass on the “cost” to consumers. But yeah, he’s a genius.


8 posted on 05/06/2012 7:13:33 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Fred Hayek
There will be no Skittles crapping unicorns to supply its energy.

Yes, but there will be Skittles crapping Trayvons to prey upon the white liberals during the long months of darkness.

9 posted on 05/06/2012 7:13:43 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: TurboZamboni
Rolling blackouts and the resulting inability of many Americans to watch TV, surf the Web, or play with their smart phones just might be the ticket to wake them up.

Or not...

10 posted on 05/06/2012 7:16:13 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: TurboZamboni

We are losing three plants in my area. Age and the EPA. Now there is a formula for disaster. It may not be immediate but an energy policy that shuts down the most available and inexpensive energy source for reasons that are at best questionable is not a policy “we the people” should stand for.

The power generators are well aware of the insanity on display by those with no skin in the game, namely the unaccountable bureaucrats at the EPA. It is just amazing, is it not what long nose busy body, in your face bureaucrats with the blessing of leftists in government, are willing to do to the American people they are tasked to “serve”.


11 posted on 05/06/2012 7:17:31 PM PDT by wita
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To: TurboZamboni

But, but, I thought all this “nasty” energy created from coal would be replaced by wind farms and solar panels...no, uuuuhhh, what happens now...can we burn wood to keep warm? No, too nasty, too.

Well, anyway it someone else’s problem. All I have to do is “plug it in to the little holes” and all will be well...no, my bill will be so high I will only get to watch TV as the ice forms on the inside of the window panes...what a stupid bunch of people in charge now.


12 posted on 05/06/2012 7:23:09 PM PDT by jennings2004 (President Hayes, Mount Rushmore, telephone, Dear Leader...what a mix!)
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To: Fred Hayek

A lot of public broadcasting comes out of St. Paul. Maybe they’ll face reality in the long, cold dark.


13 posted on 05/06/2012 7:30:05 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: TurboZamboni

Methinks the RATs have really dodged a bullet here. The Natural Gas renaissance brought on by fracking will soften if not completely mask the blow that Obama’s coal policies will wreak. To the extent that only the United Mine Workers feel the pain I say, “it serves you right.” Perhaps this will buy the time necessary for “clean coal” to mature. But all this comes in spite of, not because of, Obama’s policies.


14 posted on 05/06/2012 7:30:50 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Chen Guangcheng: Gutsy call, Obama /UltraMegaDrippingSarc)
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To: wita

The other evil is doing these shut downs right before the peak demand in many places, in the summer.


15 posted on 05/06/2012 7:31:31 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: tbw2

Being holier than thou and better than everyone else, they will bravely run (as covertly as possible) their own private power generators. The propaganda must flow after all.


16 posted on 05/06/2012 7:36:23 PM PDT by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: wita

Can these plants all be brought back online once a Republican is in charge?


17 posted on 05/06/2012 7:40:11 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: TurboZamboni

‘Environmentalists have been clamoring to shut down Hoot Lake. The company estimates it could cost $40 million to install the technology needed to meet EPA requirements, but building a modern natural gas plant to replace it could cost even more....’

I wonder if the EPA has given a thought to the lost jobs and incomes and the dislocations they are wreaking ....maybe they should assume the cost of providing livlihoods to the folks they displace or maybe they should postpone shutdowns unless and until the gas fired replacements can come on line on a timeline that makes economic sense....to everyone involved....i think they are supposed to be working for the people not the other way around.....pretty sad..


18 posted on 05/06/2012 7:44:43 PM PDT by jimsin
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To: wita

Part two...the government sues the utility for not having the capacity required.


19 posted on 05/06/2012 7:50:18 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: DTogo

This is just more bullshit abound.
Energy is energy. It costs money. If you take coal out of the picture, then its greater demand on the alternates,,,,, boiling down, along the path to higher energy as more are competing for it..... and, greater gas pump prices for all!
Increased costs will be in our fertilizers, fuel, food, anything plastic.....

Obama needs to quit the intermeddling in areas he knows nothing about.

Is China going to cut coal consumption????
IS India?
How about any of the other G20?
So why should he impose this on America???


20 posted on 05/06/2012 7:54:18 PM PDT by himno hero (Obamas theme...Death to America...The crusaders will pay!)
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To: South Dakota
Most of the coal mined in North Dakota is burned in North Dakota. It is lower grade lignite that doesn't bear the cost of transit. The electric power generated is then sent to Minnesota.

Much of the coal burned by utilities elsewhere in the upper Midwest is from the Powder River Basin which transits through the Dakotas.

21 posted on 05/06/2012 8:11:51 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: TurboZamboni

Until people are freezing and starving to death, they won’t understand the EVIL that is Progressivism. Whether it is economics, or culture, or the environment, they seek to destroy their fellow man.


22 posted on 05/06/2012 8:38:34 PM PDT by Clock King (Ellisworth Toohey was right: My head's gonna explode.)
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To: TurboZamboni

It would take 384,000,000 square ft of solar panels to replace this capaity.


23 posted on 05/06/2012 8:42:00 PM PDT by super7man
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To: DTogo

“Rolling blackouts and the resulting inability of many Americans to watch TV, surf the Web, or play with their smart phones just might be the ticket to wake them up.
Or not... “

Fast-forward to the year 2032.

It’s evening. A father and son are walking to their destination in the chilly twilight.

In the distance, the son sees the hulking remains of a huge, abandoned building.

“What was that, Daddy?”, he asks.

“In my day, son, it was something called a power plant. It made electricity.”

“What was electricity?”, the son replies.


24 posted on 05/06/2012 9:00:26 PM PDT by Road Glide
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To: super7man
It would take 384,000,000 square ft of solar panels to replace this capaity

and that's only during the day!!

25 posted on 05/06/2012 9:02:36 PM PDT by terycarl (lurking, but well informed)
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To: jimsin

“I wonder if the EPA has given a thought to the lost jobs and incomes and the dislocations they are wreaking ...”

You’re foolish for asking such a question.

Would Pol Pot have wasted time with such useless thinking?

/s


26 posted on 05/06/2012 9:03:07 PM PDT by Road Glide
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To: MplsSteve

Minnesota ping


27 posted on 05/06/2012 9:31:02 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (A liberal's compassion is limited to the size of other peoples' paychecks)
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To: TurboZamboni

This could really backfire on Obama this Autumn.


28 posted on 05/06/2012 9:33:49 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (A liberal's compassion is limited to the size of other peoples' paychecks)
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The EPA is a private company. How can it regulate anything????

http://www.manta.com/c/mm2w3x5/us-environmental-protctn-agcy


29 posted on 05/06/2012 10:46:51 PM PDT by Cololeo
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To: super7man
It would take 384,000,000 square ft of solar panels. . .

That's 8,815 acres of hot black panels, 20 million pounds of NaS batteries for energy storage and 1,600 1.5 megawatt inverters. That much black surface will increase the temperature of the upstream wind currents significantly. It could even cause some global warming. The total output of solar panels in the US in 2009 was 1,642 MW, 68% of the output of this one coal fired plant.

30 posted on 05/07/2012 12:16:43 AM PDT by mulebones
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To: super7man

That’s 13.77 sq. miles. Heck, we don’t need to grow food on the land anyway. /s


31 posted on 05/07/2012 1:06:15 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Road Glide

‘Would Pol Pot have wasted time with such useless thinking?’

by god, ya got something there rg....what a thinker and planner that mass murderer turned out to be eh? always out there workin for the little guy....the death of the little guy that is...it ain’t as if commie planned economies aint been the best thing for mankind since sliced bread r anything..../s


32 posted on 05/07/2012 2:18:37 AM PDT by jimsin
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To: Clintonfatigued

How many manufacturing jobs will this prompt to move to China?


33 posted on 05/07/2012 2:38:28 AM PDT by monocle
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To: bray

Sky-high Electric Bills Courtesy of Obama EPA’s War on Coal

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2880805/posts


34 posted on 05/07/2012 11:40:57 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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