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Unemployment Explained: Obama's Disability Scammers
Townhall.com ^ | May 6, 2012 | John Ransom

Posted on 05/07/2012 1:12:58 AM PDT by Kaslin

I have to credit our own Mike Shedlock for writing about how Obama’s been able to drive down the topline unemployment number even though unemployment remains as a big problem today as it has ever been.

I’m often reluctant to piggy back on a contributor’s work, but when something is really newsworthy, I think it’s justified.

Yesterday Mish pointed out that:

In the last year, the civilian population rose by 3,638,000. Yet the labor force only rose by 945,000. Those not in the labor force rose by 2,693,000.

In the last month, actual employment fell by 169,000, but the unemployment rate dropped by .1%.

That is an amazing "achievement" to say the least.

How did Obama do this magic trick of moving unemployment from a high of 10 percent to 8.1 percent without adding, you know, jobs?

Well according to Shedlock, economists at JPMorgan Chase & Co. and Morgan Stanley say that those on Social Security Disability (SSDI) checks have risen by about 2.2 million.

People who qualify for SSDI are automatically excluded from the workforce, meaning that you can actually have an economy losing jobs while technically the unemployment rate will go down as more people received disability benefits and are subtracted from the workforce.

Social Security Disability is a picture perfect program scam for the Obama administration. It allows Obama to say that unemployment is going down, while adding to the rolls of people who are dependent on some sort of Democrat-Party enabled government assistance.  

Prior to these revelations, I had thought that the country’s workforce was shrinking because persistent joblessness was causing people to stop looking for work. In other words, I though it was just another example of Obama’s economic incompetence.

I’m not ruling out incompetence completely, but when the administration has a vested interest in allowing fraud to happen by turning a blind eye, they act like caravan stuck in a sand storm, especially if it adds more potential voters to the dole.        

And what’s worse, the damage done to the economy by this type of fraud - and to the legitimately disabled who need the benefits- will take generation to fix. 

Because, while joblessness can be reversed with some sensible economic policies, adding to the disability rolls creates permanent damage to the economy from which the country will not recover in generations.       Writes Bloomberg.com


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: disability; ssd; ssdi; ssi; unemployment; unenjoyment; welfare
Rest of the article in the link
1 posted on 05/07/2012 1:13:03 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

OTOH, not everyone receiving SSDI is a scammer. Far from it. And many who actually deserve it will never receive it.


2 posted on 05/07/2012 1:18:28 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That is very true


3 posted on 05/07/2012 1:29:23 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

True, that. A friend who was paralyzed (blood clot in the spine) could not get SSDI for the better part of a year—and couldn’t work, either.


4 posted on 05/07/2012 1:42:59 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have Chrons Disease. Had it from about 5 years old. Really bad case. LOTS of steroids with varying result. I was on disability in the mid 90s. I got better and returned to work.

A couple years ago the results of those steroids caught up to me just as the docs said they would. I traded a functional youth for paying the piper later on. Now I have a number of medical issues including neurological/joint and other problems (on top of incapacitating random Chrons flare-ups) that has pretty much kept me either in bed/chair or of very limited mobility.

I have been fighting with SSD/Govt. for nearly 2 years. And the people in the local offices tell me the exact same thing. There’s a line of people months long ahead of me... most of which are suffering from little more than unemployment ‘stress’ and such.

It’s amazing when multiple doctors tell you they are amazed you are still even on the planet and a couple days later you get a (first) denial letter from SSD saying you’re just fine and can work.


5 posted on 05/07/2012 2:22:37 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Kaslin; blam; Liz; neverdem
How did Obama do this magic trick of moving unemployment from a high of 10 percent to 8.1 percent without adding, you know, jobs?

Social Security Disability...

Ping

6 posted on 05/07/2012 2:59:53 AM PDT by GOPJ ( "A Dog In Every Pot" - freeper ETL)
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To: Kaslin

BFL


7 posted on 05/07/2012 3:20:02 AM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: Kaslin

And to insult to injury...SSI is sent to the tune of 4.4 billion per year to illegals living in this country for their children in Mexico...


8 posted on 05/07/2012 3:23:09 AM PDT by Popman (America is squandering its wealth on riotous living, war, and welfare.)
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To: sickoflibs; tbw2; Blood of Tyrants; The Working Man; traditional1; TwelveOfTwenty; KoRn; ...

ping


9 posted on 05/07/2012 3:28:53 AM PDT by GOPJ ( "A Dog In Every Pot" - freeper ETL)
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To: Kaslin

Wow...unbelievable.


10 posted on 05/07/2012 3:43:20 AM PDT by STJPII
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To: Kaslin

I had a friend that tried to obtain Disability benefits for two years.
After two years they told him to go to his Doctor again for another check.

The doctor wrote that because of his varipous problems ( real problems mind you including tumors and lime disease) he motions were retarded.

They wrote back and told him he would get his disability because he was retarded.
I asked him what he did about that and he said I am taking the check, retarded ? he isn’t.


11 posted on 05/07/2012 4:36:54 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Kaslin; All
Another large factor in the explosion of SS-Disability payouts started long before "Obama's Disability Scammers" of the Obama unemployed economy. And this factor will continue to expand even if Obama is defeated - given the elite GOP's sympathies in the Immigration debate.

It's Elderly Immigrants using SS-Disability as a retirement system. They can begin collecting after only 3 years in the country and can collect even when living with their sons/daughters.

"For Elderly Immigrants, a Retirement Plan in U.S." - NYTimes(4/16/1995)

Once upon a time when Immigration laws and their enforcement were taken seriously, even legal immigrants were deported for accepting Public Assistance. (But that was the law when white Europeans were the majority of Immigrants and it would be racist to... )

12 posted on 05/07/2012 5:04:34 AM PDT by drpix
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To: Kaslin; All
LINK: "For Elderly Immigrants, a Retirement Plan in U.S." - NYTimes(4/16/1995)


13 posted on 05/07/2012 5:06:23 AM PDT by drpix
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To: Kaslin
Unemployment Explained: Obama's Disability Scammers

While I don't support able bodied people "scamming" disability benefits, I have to say the 0bama regime has made the business climate so bad the jobs just aren't there. You can look from dawn to dark, submit resumes, attend job fairs, etc., but even a lot of the advertised jobs don't really exist and no one gets hired for them. We're in a depression, caused in no small part by the usurper, and if you're out of work, exhausted your benefits, what choice do you have?

14 posted on 05/07/2012 5:16:48 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Sworn to Defend The Constitution Against ALL Enemies, Foreign and Domestic. So Help Me GOD!)
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To: GOPJ

Thanks for the headsup. More below.


15 posted on 05/07/2012 7:59:47 AM PDT by Liz
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To: All
Tax loophole costs billions The loophole allows undocumented workers to collect what's called an additional child tax credit. The credit – up to $1,000 per child – can be claimed even by families who pay nothing in taxes, in many cases resulting in a cash payment from the IRS. It is intended for working families with children who live in the same home.

But a local tax preparer came to Eyewitness News to blow the whistle on millions of people who, he believes, are taking advantage of the system. He says many illegal immigrants are claiming the tax credit for children who've never lived in this country, and he showed 13 Investigates dozens of redacted tax returns to prove his point. "There is not a doubt in my mind there is huge fraud taking place here," said the whistleblower, who asked not to be identified for fear of reprisal. "I can bring out stacks and stacks. It's just so easy it's ridiculous."(Excerpt) Read more at wthr.com

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Pete from Shawnee Mission posted--- I know folks who work for the IRS. They say that people with ITINS (Immigrant tins) will claim 4 or 5 nephews and nieces to get the credit and deductions. What is worse is that these are 18 and 19 year olds claiming Head of Household status and Self Employment income in an amount that is just enough to result in 0 tax due and maximum additional child tax credit. They know exactly what is going on, but nothing is done because it might be “discriminatory.”

It drives the IRS people nuts. They are essentially taking the taxes that they as citizens pay into the system and giving it to someone filing a crimnal return. Please do write your congresspeople and ask that no one with an ITIN get additional child tax credit, and that no one be allowed to go back and amend to claim ACTC after you get a valid SSN.

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Here are some toll-free numbers for Congress:

800-833-6354 (AMA sponsored)

1-877-851-6437

877-762-8762 toll-free number

866-808-0065 toll-free number

Toll-free US CAPITAL SWITCHBOARD 866-220-0044

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REFERENCE Treasury Department Says Illegal Aliens Collecting Billions in Tax Credits

According to the US Dept of Treasury’s Inspector General, more than $4.2 billion in additional child credits were paid out in 2010 to illegal immigrants. In 2005, the pay outs totaled $924 million. This program allows low income earners to claim a $1,000 per child credit. $20 billion EITC is estimated to have been paid out to these cunning "impoverished" illegals. Most of them are collecting over and over again-----using multiple identities-----falsifying official apps---claiming children they do not have and/or falsely stating kids are back in their homelands.

REFERENCE March 8, 2012 KENNER, La. -- Kenner police arrested illegal Marvin Baca who sold false W-2 forms to another illegal immigrant for $1,500. Baca sold fraudulent W-2 forms for $1,500 to other Hispanics here illegally.

Police said that on one of the forged W-2 forms had a SS no of a person living in Virginia. Police said illegal Hispanics purchase fictitious W-2 forms and file false tax returns with the government to receive EITC refunds. Baca was charged with one count of ID theft and two counts of forgery.

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The "just here for a better life" crowd who freely violate our borders and "do the jobs Americans won't do" have more criminal enterprises than you can shake a stick at.

<><> Hilderberto Salinas sold state drivers' licenses issued out of the state’s Motor Vehicle Agency in NJ to illegals with multiple identities who did not have the necessary id's....among 40 people who participated in the widespread ring. "Impoverished" illegals paid $2,500 to $7,000 apiece for the licenses.

<><>ICE's "documents and benefits fraud task force" found a common practice among "impoverished" illegals is to buy several faked identitues for several thousand dollars each----the illegal then votes and rides the US gravy train under several names. Jose Madrigal---the Washington state rapist---had some 30 identities.

<><>June 26, 2010 An illegal using multiple identities was sentenced to prison and ordered to pay back $3 million in fraudulently obtained unemployment compensation. Manuel Mejia Ordonez, got eight years for conspiracy to commit mail fraud........and identity theft.

<><> July 21, 2006----NJ BERGEN RECORD---Pelcastre brothers, Angel and Jorge, Dallas, Texas, were a walking threat to US national security, expert document forgers who, for a few thousand dollars, could give anyone a new identity, NJ L/E authorities said. The Texas brothers were a "one-stop shop" for a myriad of fake US documents, including birth certificates, Social Security cards, driver's licenses----for any state in the US------ passports and resident alien cards, said state police.

The Texas brothers turned a NJ hotel room into a business office and were readying a massive cache of fake Social Security cards for delivery to a local NJ identity broker. Officers happened upon two cars bearing Texas plates in a NJ hotel parking lot. The Texas brothers were followed to a NJ office supply store nearby where they purchased computer supplies. Officers then followed the Texans to a NJ storage facility in Secaucus, NJ, where the Texans loaded several boxes into a car. One of them stood lookout. After a search, police recovered laminating sheets with built-in security features, pages of blank documents waiting for fake names and information, finished documents, computers and software to create the fake IDs.

All told, the haul was worth about $500,000 on the street when sold to "impoverished illegals." Police also recovered $6,000 in cash, which was the first payment from a NJ fake document broker for a shipment of 500 phony Social Security cards. ####

16 posted on 05/07/2012 8:06:50 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Kaslin
I believe that this (quote below) is the article that the guy who typed in the linked article above referenced. Here

Is the problem bad enough without spreading false information?

Headline says: 2.2 Million Go On Disability Since Mid-2010; Fraud Explains Falling Unemployment Rate

first paragraph says: Since mid-2010, precisely at the time millions of US citizens used up all of their 99 week of unemployment insurance, disability claims have risen by 2.2 million.

Which is it?.. unless the Obama radicals (campus spoiled brats) instructed government employees to approve every application the headline is the fraud.

Also, there's a difference between SSI and SSDI. The former is what the foreign elderly, et al. get who have never paid or have paid very little into SS and SSDI.

17 posted on 05/07/2012 8:58:49 AM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Very few people on SSDI should be receiving it. They are taking by force the property of others without consent. Does the SSDI recipient have assets to sell to pay for basic subsistence items? If not, do they have family members who work? Have they looked to family before resorting to government force? If they have no family have they turned to friends for voluntary assistance? If they have no friends, do they have a church family? If they have no church family, do they have neighbors or a local community to look to? If they have friends willing to help, have they sought the help of voluntary charities? Then and only then should they be able to use the force of government to FORCE others to surrender propert. And then, they should have to live with the shame and stigma of extracting from others property to which they are not entitled.


18 posted on 05/07/2012 9:44:41 AM PDT by LibertyJihad
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To: Kaslin

ValJ and Axlegrease strike again - I must say this is quite a nifty way to game the unemployment numbers.

And sadly, the underlying deception will never be analyzed by the MSM. If this happened under a Republican, there would be nightly reports on the EXPLOSION of disability claims.


19 posted on 05/07/2012 9:52:20 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I feel little negativity for those going on SSDI because they can’t find a job.

I DESPISE those who have made it a desirable and rational choice.

I guarantee that the ‘bammer supporters see this as a GOOD thing, because it furthers their agenda.


20 posted on 05/07/2012 9:55:43 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Check a “minority” box and see how fast you go to the front of the line.


21 posted on 05/07/2012 9:56:38 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: LibertyJihad
Just for a laugh, one of the Local Sponsors for the Rush Limbaugh Show in Los Angeles is the State of California.

What do you think they are advertising? Public Safety, no.
Water Conservation, no. Jobs Programs, no.

They are advertising “Cal Fresh”. What is Cal Fresh you ask?
Why, it's the brand new made up feel good name for The Food Stamp Program.

The commercials have a little kid helping Daddy cook up a nutritious meal. The kid is so excited when she goes to tell Mommy that dinner is ready, while the announcer goes on and on about the wonderful fruits and vegetables that this poor Family was able to get through Cal Fresh.

You can own a home, own a car and have a savings account, no problem. It isn't even being touted as a temporary hand up. They make it sound like a wonderful lifestyle.

I wonder how many Rush listeners partake in it?

22 posted on 05/07/2012 10:13:12 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (A day without Obama is like a day without a Tsunami.)
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To: MrB

Tell me about it....

The person I spoke last with at the office shocked the hell out of me. She said, out loud if you can believe it, that they were swamped with ‘minorities’ applying and “guess who gets preference”?

It’s bad enough that I and other actual citizens worked like dogs for years to support them. Now, when the conditions warrant, those in my situation are given the shaft.

Having been through this in the 90s, I fully expected the run around. But this current insanity is beyond belief. It took them over a year to get me the first denial letter (EVERYONE gets denied the first time supposedly to ‘weed out’ the fakers.

Still waiting.....and BTW, this is WITH a disability lawyer.


23 posted on 05/07/2012 10:14:24 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

It’s reparations.

It’s slavery, and “this time, we’re in charge, whitey”.


24 posted on 05/07/2012 11:05:00 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

Yup. Right up until the rest of Whitey stops working. Then the minority mob will turn on their own educated/motivated/capable people for ‘acting white’ more than they do now.

I never thought I’d live in the movie “Idiocracy” but here I am. I just wish I could come back in 200 or so years to see just how close to extinction the human race is. If there are enough people left and a history of the early 21st century written, I’ll bet it get’s filled with words like ‘insanity’.


25 posted on 05/07/2012 11:24:06 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

Maranatha...


26 posted on 05/07/2012 11:40:38 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: LibertyJihad
While many here, including myself, would tend to agree with your feelings on the matter, I think you'll have a very hard sell with the majority who have been indoctrinated as to what is right and wrong in current society. When cheating on workman's comp, insurance claims, taxes and many other things are winked at, a government program that was clearly set-up from the get-go to be abused is widely considered Uncle Sugar's way of letting you slide into retirement years before you're eligible for it. It sounds like you were raised in a “pick yourself up by the bootstraps” family and culture and you might as well be speaking Martian as far as most Baby Boomers, Gen Xers and Millenials are concerned. You're in Iowa circa 1925 and they're in modern day France.
27 posted on 05/07/2012 12:06:19 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: drpix; SandRat
...Elderly Immigrants using SS-Disability as a retirement system. They can begin collecting after only 3 years in the country and can collect even when living with their sons/daughters.

"For Elderly Immigrants, a Retirement Plan in U.S." - NYTimes(4/16/1995)

Once upon a time when Immigration laws and their enforcement were taken seriously, even legal immigrants were deported for accepting Public Assistance. (But that was the law when white Europeans were the majority of Immigrants and it would be racist to... )

Interesting...

28 posted on 05/07/2012 12:33:11 PM PDT by GOPJ ( "A Dog In Every Pot" - freeper ETL)
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To: GOPJ; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks GOPJ.
29 posted on 05/07/2012 7:17:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (FReepathon 2Q time -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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