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What the LDS know about Welfare Systems (and how it could benefit America)
San Diego Union Tribune ^ | March 2012 | Naomi Schaffer Riley

Posted on 05/07/2012 7:57:49 AM PDT by Jeff Head

SALT LAKE CITY — Ever since Mitt Romney said he was “not concerned about the very poor” but would fix the safety net “if it needs,” conservatives and liberals have been frantically making suggestions. Gov. Romney says he would consider options. But if he wants to see a welfare system that lets almost no one fall through the cracks while ensuring that its beneficiaries don’t become lifelong dependents, he could look to his own church.

As I ride in a golf cart through a new 15-acre warehouse on the outskirts of Utah’s capital, I can’t help but wonder: How many Walmarts would fit in here? How many burgers can you make from 4,400 pallets of frozen meat? And how do they keep this place cleaner than my kitchen floor?

In addition to goods from canned peaches to emergency generators, the facility houses the church’s own trucking company, with 43 tractors and 98 trailers, as well as a year supply of fuel, parts and tires.

The storehouse is not only a physical marvel, it's been built to withstand an 7.5 magnitude earthquake with – but also a symbol of strength and self-sufficiency.

Launched during the Great Depression, the Mormon welfare system was designed as a way to match the armies of the unemployed faithful with some of the nearby farms that needed temporary labor.

In 1936, Heber Grant, stated: “Our primary purpose was to set up a system under which the curse of idleness would be done away with, the evils of a dole abolished and independence, thrift and self respect be established among our people. The aim is to help people help themselves.”

(Excerpt) Read more at utsandiego.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: charity; ldswelfare; socialwelfare; welfare
“Our primary purpose was to set up a system under which the curse of idleness would be done away with, the evils of a dole abolished and independence, thrift and self respect be established among our people. The aim is to help people help themselves.”

Though it may well be attacked and maligned by some simply because it is LDS, these are good sentiments...and much needed in today's society.

I've seen them work and the program is formed around getting people who need help the immediate help they need, but then weaning them off of it and making them poroductive in society.

Clearly, some are disabled, very young, etc. and cannot do a lot of work, but an effort is made to find them something in as many cases as possible...it is the goal of the system (as opposed to the federal system where the real goal is to keep them enslaved and established as a voting block) because it increases self-esteem.

If such sentiments could somehow be applied across the nation through the voluntary offerings (charitable contributions) of the people as opposed to the Government take-away and waste program, would break the back of the liberal/socialist hold on so many of our fellow citizens.

LDS POSITION ON CARING FOR THE POOR AND NEEDY

1 posted on 05/07/2012 7:58:01 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head

Preparation is never a bad thing.


2 posted on 05/07/2012 7:59:11 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Jeff Head
Thanks Jeff.

Good stuff

3 posted on 05/07/2012 8:00:00 AM PDT by Tribune7 (Oh, the irony)
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To: bert; wardaddy; joanie-f; betty boop; Alamo-Girl; Deb; ohioWfan; Squantos; Travis McGee; ...

Good article about a prgram that could be emulated to help the nations welfare system and get it based on worthy principles.


4 posted on 05/07/2012 8:02:43 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: cripplecreek

Exactly...and one should ensure that their own defense is provided for in that preparation as well.

I will gladly share what I have with those in need as much as I can and within reason of ensuring my family continues to be able to get by based on our preparation...but I will fight to defend it from those who would forcibly take it.


5 posted on 05/07/2012 8:04:27 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

The Anti-Mormons will be here any minute.

Thanks for the info! One of my favorite YouTube channels is LDSprepper. He has a great auto watering system that I’m going to try this year.


6 posted on 05/07/2012 8:04:31 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: netmilsmom

I was unaware of that program. On YouTube? I’ll look into it. Thanks. Learn something good every day if you wat to.


7 posted on 05/07/2012 8:05:42 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: netmilsmom

I was unaware of that program. On YouTube? I’ll look into it. Thanks. Learn something good every day if you want to.


8 posted on 05/07/2012 8:05:53 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

Ironically, some LDS member on a financial forum where I hang out were under the impression that the Storehouse was only available to tithers. It was one of the justifications for tithing.
The guy who works next to me said that wasn’t true (he’s LDS).


9 posted on 05/07/2012 8:07:48 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: Jeff Head
I'm guessing that there are quite a few Mormons who are on the government dole.
10 posted on 05/07/2012 8:08:22 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: AppyPappy

It’s not true. I’m not Mormon, and I have used the local warehouse to buy in bulk, and can. Saves me a TON of money.

The local LDS doesn’t advertise this, and the locals require a referral from a local LDS to get in.


11 posted on 05/07/2012 8:16:26 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: Jeff Head; netmilsmom

Refreshing to see something positive posted here about LDS.

Thank you.

netmilsmom, You’re right. Counting down their arrival...three, two.....


12 posted on 05/07/2012 8:16:39 AM PDT by panaxanax (Voting 'Third Party' will ensure a Communist-Marxist-Socialist dominated Supreme Court!)
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To: AppyPappy

It isn’t true. I have been involved in Bishoprics and the welfare program, my wife in Relief Societ Presidencies. We routinely help inactive mebers of the Church, part members, and even full-on non-members in our communities who come to us for that help.

It is paid for in part by tithing, but the vast majority of this program is paid for by seperate offerings where members give, each month, the quivalent dollar worth of two hearty meals for their families to be used to help others.

We usually give $50 or so dollars a month to this fund.

Now, those in charge of distributing the help (the Bishops and Relief Society Presidents) in eah congregation sit down with the recipients and go over work ethic, finances, and the need for those receiving to help pay for what they get. The Church has canneries, farms, racnhes, and uses Deseret Industries (a thrift store type operation sponsored by the church) to not only give work, but also to train people.

If someone is able, and unwilling to do anything, it will not be long before their help stops in favor of someone whi is willing.

Those who are disabled, or mothers with several children with no father in the home, will be asked to do what they can...but the help in those cases usually does not stop unless the people do not want to be involved anymore (which involvement means regular meetings with the church leaders to review and assess their situation).

These are generalities about how the program works...each case is individual and will vary.


13 posted on 05/07/2012 8:18:06 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head
The whiny, slimy, slithering Mormon hating cabal will be here shortly to declare how this proves Mormons are running a business and not a church.

Or how it isn't really charity because they make people do some work for it.

It's so much better that we all compete for handouts from Fedzilla and let wise annointed dictators like ObaMao decide who should get what.

Seriously, Jeff. thanks for posting. Every church ought to be doing something like this. One of our local churches here just put on a "Free Market," a play on the popular "Flea Markets" held around here. People brought their gently used but still usable cast-offs and took whatever they wanted home. Anything left over was donated to Goodwill.

Loved it! Splendid idea compared to the work of organizing a garage sale, dickering with the nitwits who are already being offered stuff for pennies on the dollar, kill an entire Saturday to earn a pittance plus people who just come to case the joint and the early birds who show up to cherry pick.

14 posted on 05/07/2012 8:18:31 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: BenLurkin
I'm guessing that there are quite a few Mormons who are on the government dole.

Like "single moms" who are actually polygamist wives?

15 posted on 05/07/2012 8:19:52 AM PDT by Third Person
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To: BenLurkin

Sadly, this is so. But we try to ween them off of that and onto the Church program wherever folks are willing.

Like any large organization with millions of adherants, there are those who will not and who themselves are hooked on the dole.

At least we have an alternative and help others re-establish their own self-esteem and self-reliance wherever we can.


16 posted on 05/07/2012 8:20:10 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: tcrlaf

No referal necessary in the DC area, at least not currently. At one point in the recent past, the stocks were at a really low level and there was some restriction.


17 posted on 05/07/2012 8:20:10 AM PDT by Pecos (In God we trust. All others - bring data.)
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To: Jeff Head

I have always admired the Mormons for their preparedness and their Ladies’ Aid missions. Which, as I understand it, is not a bunch of women solely engaged in charity work —it is an educational effort aimed at teaching all of the women in the church how to “do” for themselves and their families. Since the goal is for every family to have a year’s supply of food stored, some of the food is very basic — canned, unsprouted wheat, for instance. The women need to know what to do with it, should the need arise. After their own families are secure, their attention turns to their neighbors in need. Good people.


18 posted on 05/07/2012 8:22:32 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Vigilanteman

Outstanding...that sounds like a GREAT program and I wish that Church much luck with it.

Watch for the overlords (Government) to want to get a hand in it if it is made official though).

God’s speed.


19 posted on 05/07/2012 8:22:42 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: afraidfortherepublic

The Relief Society (a woman’s organization within the church) does some unbelievably outstanding work in their local communities and congregations.

Started in the late 1830s or early 1840s it was one of the first such woman’s organizations in the country at the time.

My wife loves working with it and helping others. They have weekly compassionate service efforts geared towards helping members and non-members alike.


20 posted on 05/07/2012 8:26:01 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRZt2YG1VaY&feature=fvwrel


21 posted on 05/07/2012 8:27:55 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: netmilsmom

When I was a kid, our Baptist family frequently took in persons who found themselves homeless (usually women with kids who found themselves homeless through separation) who came to our church for help. There were five of us kids plus my mom and dad in a small two bedroom house, plus 2 to 3 extras. We paid for their food while there even though we were lower middle class. Very crowded but we made it work. I often slept on the floor with other kids. Others in our church also took in people. All races. This was in the 50’s and 60’s.


22 posted on 05/07/2012 8:37:10 AM PDT by TStro
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To: Jeff Head

Living in South MS, I saw the Mormons and many other churches do great work during the aftermath of Katrina and we are very grateful for their assistance.


23 posted on 05/07/2012 8:37:10 AM PDT by fatrat (extremely extreme right-wing radicalized veteran)
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To: Jeff Head

Yes. I gave it the wrong name. It has been 40 years since I had a Mormon friend involved in it. It should be Relief Society — not Ladies’ Aid. Memory grows dim, but I always admired what they accomplished — I had peripheral contact with them in 2 different states. I don’t think I know any Mormons in Wisconsin, but I knew plenty of them in CA, TX, and WA. I did NOT ever hold the negative view of them that is expressed on this forum. I always wished that the Catholic Church had something comparable.


24 posted on 05/07/2012 8:38:51 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Vigilanteman

>>Every church ought to be doing something like this. One of our local churches here just put on a “Free Market,” a play on the popular “Flea Markets” held around here. People brought their gently used but still usable cast-offs and took whatever they wanted home. Anything left over was donated to Goodwill.<<

We do something like that at my parish. We do charge for things the first two days but two hours before it ends, it’s a “bag sale”. 10 cents for a grocery bag and you get anything you can stuff into it. Tons still goes to St. Vincent de Paul after.


25 posted on 05/07/2012 8:39:14 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: Jeff Head

So as not to be misunderstood, yes LDS inc. may do wonderful works, this is not the primary disagreement of the majority of people with it but more along the lines of...

KJV Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?


26 posted on 05/07/2012 8:39:54 AM PDT by Bidimus1
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To: TStro

Lord Love you!


27 posted on 05/07/2012 8:40:17 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: Jeff Head

Thanks for the ping!


28 posted on 05/07/2012 8:44:24 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: TStro
God bless you and your family for your Christian compassion and the help you gave.

Those tender mercies, shown through the spirit of Christ to others can change hearts and lives...and who knows, perhaps change entire communities, states and nations.

From little things, God proceeds to do great works amongst His children.

29 posted on 05/07/2012 8:46:04 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Bidimus1; Jeff Head

>>So as not to be misunderstood, yes LDS inc. may do wonderful works, this is not the primary disagreement of the majority of people with it but more along the lines of...<<

Oh well.
Some people quote the Bible, some people live the Bible.

That’s what is so nice about being Catholic. I see when someone is living Christianity, over what someone thinks they should be.


30 posted on 05/07/2012 8:46:04 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: AppyPappy

I tend to pull “good ideas” from other faiths/cultures and use them as my own, the one thing I pulled from the LDS was their “having one year supply of food on hand” thing.

I have one year of food that I rotate through and also use to help some of my friends when they need food.

I have yet to pull anything from the “ROP”.


31 posted on 05/07/2012 8:46:50 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Bidimus1
Peter put it this way:

"Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world."

We try and do that, and to do as our Savior bid us to, "Love one another, even as I have loved you," and, "If ye love me, keep my Commandments."

IMHO, anyone who professes Christ and is sincere in that witness, will do these things...though we all be imperfect in the accomplishment of it, our hearts are convicted by Him to try our best and then let His arm be revealed as He fills in the gaps.

God's speed and blessings to you and yours as you seek to help others through Christ, Jesus.

32 posted on 05/07/2012 8:53:26 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: GraceG

Nothin wrong with that...and God bless you for it.

We can find good all around us if we just look...and there’s never anything wrong with incorporating good into our lives.

Whether for times when we lose a job, or when we’re sick, or if there’s as storm that knocks out power for a few days, or in a natural catastophe or other more long term emergency, being prepared can save your life, and those of your loved ones.


33 posted on 05/07/2012 9:15:48 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Kartographer

Ping.


34 posted on 05/07/2012 9:36:56 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Bidimus1; All

Sorry, in my last post I quoted Peter as the source of the “undefiled religion” quote. As you pointed out to me privately (thanks), it was James, in James 1:27.

My bad.

Again, thanks, and God’s speed.


35 posted on 05/07/2012 9:41:34 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

You are quite welcome.


36 posted on 05/07/2012 9:43:12 AM PDT by Bidimus1
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To: netmilsmom
Yep. And if there is any 100% right organized religion out there, Catholics and LDS are both going to be on the short list.

You see plenty of Taliban Fundies out there constantly ridiculing both of them for thinking they can "work their way into heaven." But you never see Catholics or LDS ridiculing the Taliban Fundies for thinking they can "beleive their way into heaven."

(Incidentally, I'm well aware that neither Catholics nor Mormons think they can get to heaven through works alone. They just consider it an important part of their faith, which includes faith in Jesus Christ. IOW, John 3:16 is a good place to start, but it isn't everything.)

The non-stop hatred spewed by these ignoramuses actually does a service of pointing out which sects are closest to the truth because low-lifes aren't going to waste time and effort ridiculing a sect like Rev. Wright's "hate whitey" church.

37 posted on 05/07/2012 9:46:35 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: netmilsmom
>>So as not to be misunderstood, yes LDS inc. may do wonderful works, this is not the primary disagreement of the majority of people with it but more along the lines of...<< Oh well. Some people quote the Bible, some people live the Bible. That’s what is so nice about being Catholic. I see when someone is living Christianity, over what someone thinks they should be.

Reformation era (i.e., Martin Luther, et al) pretty much covered this. The Word of God stands.

38 posted on 05/07/2012 9:50:38 AM PDT by exhaustedmomma (All might be free if they valued freedom, and defended it as they should. Samuel Adams)
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To: Jeff Head
My wife and I are not Mormons, but we greatly respect the Mormon encouragement to be prepared for disrputions in the food supply.

We have twice made appointments to use the LDS cannery near where we live. There are many staples available along with the canning equipment. The workers at the cannery are very friendly and helped us learn the process.

I would estimate that the cost of the food we bought and canned was perhaps twice what we would have paid retail for the food alone, but the advantage is that these foods are canned so as to be preserved for about 25 years. We only have about a four months supply for our family, but that is far, far better than the average person.

Should Obama's people succeed in generating nation-wide riots, we will be able to keep our heads down for an extended time.

39 posted on 05/07/2012 10:02:21 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: exhaustedmomma

>>Reformation era (i.e., Martin Luther, et al) pretty much covered this. <<

Yup, sure did. Glad I’m Catholic!


40 posted on 05/07/2012 10:08:45 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: Vigilanteman

>>The non-stop hatred spewed by these ignoramuses actually does a service of pointing out which sects are closest to the truth because low-lifes aren’t going to waste time and effort ridiculing a sect like Rev. Wright’s “hate whitey” church. <<

Amen!
I look at the good that people do. Not the social justice crap (which even soaks into my church) but the real “walk the walk” stuff.

I let God sort out the rest.


41 posted on 05/07/2012 10:11:47 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: William Tell

How does that work?
That YouTuber that I mentioned got reservations at a cannery near his home. A whole bunch of them went and canned food.

Can I do this? Not a group but just me and my kids? Is there a Mormon ping list someplace?


42 posted on 05/07/2012 10:15:29 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: netmilsmom

And I’m grateful to have access to a Bible, church services in a language I understand, and the liberty to teach my children Bible verses and the Lord’s Prayer without fear of being burned at the stake or beheaded... as a family.


43 posted on 05/07/2012 10:23:11 AM PDT by exhaustedmomma (All might be free if they valued freedom, and defended it as they should. Samuel Adams)
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To: exhaustedmomma

>>And I’m grateful to have access to a Bible, church services in a language I understand, and the liberty to teach my children Bible verses and the Lord’s Prayer without fear of being burned at the stake or beheaded... as a family.<<

Me too!
I’m sad that they don’t still teach Latin, as this is the language of Medicine and Science but hey, that’s non-Catholic’s loss.


44 posted on 05/07/2012 10:27:44 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: exhaustedmomma

So am I, but the last person in my family beheaded was under Oliver Cromwell. There is enough blood in history to cover many hands on all the sides.


45 posted on 05/07/2012 10:30:05 AM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: exhaustedmomma
Amen! And I am grateful for each and everyone of those exact same blessings.

It is precisely because this nation was founded upon Christian precepts and moral underpinnings that we have the freedom and tolerance we enjoy in this country.

Despite what Obama says about it.

Others, who come here hoping to use that tolerance and freedom against us as they utilize their tyranical ideology hiding behind a store front of religion (ie. radical Islam) will find that our tolerance only extends so far.

If they keep trying to use freedom to institue Shaira Law, for example, which is in direct opposition to the Constitution and the underpinnings I spoke of, they will find that sooner or later their attempts will be exposed for what they are and resisted and put down acccordingly.

America at the Crossroads of History

46 posted on 05/07/2012 10:47:17 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

I always ask people on the Left, “Where are the Sierra Club hospitals or the NOW food warehouses?”. Crickets. The church always shows the love of God thru their selfless giving.


47 posted on 05/07/2012 11:13:37 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: netmilsmom
netmilsmom said: "Not a group but just me and my kids? "

Probably. My wife and I called them and they arranged a date when we could come in. There was another group of about five people and we joined them. We canned some items for them and some for us.

We even canned some extra that went on a shelf. The people running the place have an idea of what the demand is. Some items come in bulk packages and the entire package must be canned at once. Any cans not wanted by the canners are shelved for future use.

They also have some cases of pinto beans or rice already made up. Picking them up at the cannery saves significant shipping costs.

48 posted on 05/07/2012 11:42:51 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: William Tell

Thanks!!!

Now to find one near me...


49 posted on 05/07/2012 11:50:52 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Romney scares me. Obama is the freaking nightmare that is so bad you are afraid to go back to sleep)
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To: Vigilanteman
Read "The Tragedy of American Compassion by Marvin Olasky. Before the socialist "progressives" of the early 20th century destroyed private charity, all kinds of churches and private aid societies operated this way. Most of them were killed off by collectivist shitheads like Theodore Roosevelt.
50 posted on 05/07/2012 7:56:48 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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