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Gun problem is a First Amendment issue
al.com ^ | 6 May, 2012 | John Archibald

Posted on 05/07/2012 8:40:36 AM PDT by marktwain

It's a Clint Eastwood kind of country, a go-ahead-and-make-my-day-and-age.

I get it. I do.

With the blessing of the founders and the High Court, you have the undisputed, undefeated right to bear-hug all the arms you want.

I don't want to take your guns.

I'm not trying to outlaw your guns.

And I wouldn't pry them from your cold dead hands if I could.

But Lord knows -- even Charlton Heston's ghost knows -- we need to talk about guns.

Because the biggest threats to the Second Amendment are not the anti-gun, tree-hugging Greenpeace hippies. The biggest threats to responsible gun owners -- and to public safety -- are idiots with guns.

Just count the recent incidents, rapid fire.

Shots were fired in the air at a carnival near Century Plaza, at Railroad Park on a Sunday afternoon, and twice on the Strip in Tuscaloosa.

Bang! Bang! Bang!

Bullets were fired into houses across Birmingham on Feb. 29 and March 20th, on March 26th, March 31st, April 8th and April 10th. Children were sleeping when slugs hit a house on John Bryan Road. Seven more bullets hit an Avenue U apartment. Ten hit a 27th Street home.

Bang! Bang! Bang!

Last week, somebody even shot into the U.S. Space & Rocket Center, wounding a Saturn V rocket. If that's not an attack on America, what is?

Bang, bang.

Dang.

Guns really don't kill people. Idiots with access to guns kill people. They buy them on the black market, or by deception, and get their firearms training on MTV. They shoot into the air. They fire before they respect bullets.

I asked the NRA, the police and the sheriff for answers. Is there a way, a chance, a hope of teaching gun safety to these idiot owners of illegal guns?

"I don't think they give a rip about gun safety," Jefferson County Chief Deputy Randy Christian said. "We would entertain the thought of even teaching them gun safety if they are brave enough to show up. Doubt we will get any takers."

I doubt it, too.

But why not try it? Prayers and processions, gun buybacks and waiting periods have not solved our problem. Perhaps gun safety training for thugs -- or marksmanship -- is the answer.

If you can't go straight, shoot straight. Spare innocent lives.

Of course, it is never so simple. Because in real life, real tragedy comes when real people -- even those who act like idiots -- wind up on one side or the other of very real bullets.

On Gravine Island, 17-year-old purported burglar Summer Moody was shot in the head by vigilantes who claimed it was meant as a warning shot. In Birmingham, 13-year-old Ja'Quares Walker wielded a gun in a botched robbery, and was shot dead because of it.

The shootings were, the way the facts now appear, legally justifiable. But that doesn't mean the deaths were not tragic. It is tragic each time a gun is pulled and a deadly chain of events set into motion.

We do have a gun problem. But it's not a Second Amendment issue. It's a First Amendment issue.

We need to learn again to talk about guns in realistic, honest ways, without all the knee-jerk political baggage. We need to talk safety, and consequences. We need to discuss ways of limiting gun supplies to criminals without threatening the rights of responsible owners.

We need to talk. If we can't? Well, then we're the idiots.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Philosophy; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: al; banglist; constitution; gun
John Archibald sounds as though he might be open to facts and to reassesing his assumptions about reality.
1 posted on 05/07/2012 8:40:48 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
In Birmingham, 13-year-old Ja'Quares Walker wielded a gun in a botched robbery, and was shot dead because of it.

Seems to me that this is exactly what is supposed to happen.

The question I ask is who are the people firing into the air? Illegal mexicans perhaps? And who's firing into houses? Gangbangers perhaps? These actions don't seem like things a normal American would do.

Perhaps we need to crack down on illegals and others who are not assimilated into American culture.

2 posted on 05/07/2012 8:48:14 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: marktwain
On Gravine Island, 17-year-old purported burglar Summer Moody was shot in the head by vigilantes who claimed it was meant as a warning shot. In Birmingham, 13-year-old Ja'Quares Walker wielded a gun in a botched robbery, and was shot dead because of it.

So, these "Vigilantes" are to be blamed for making an attempt to avoid letting the burlar continue about his business? An armed thug gets killed during a robbery attempt, and we are supposed to feel sorry for him?

If these degenerates opted to work for what they wanted, instead of stealing it from other people - then everyone would be alive, happy and prospering, wouldn't they?

3 posted on 05/07/2012 8:49:35 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: marktwain

Half of the population are not termed looters by accident.


4 posted on 05/07/2012 8:51:16 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: marktwain
As for thugs and idiots, I suggest we start openly talking about the Bible. It's a perfectly good instruction Book on how to behave towards others. On the subject of handling guns there's Eddie Eagle.

If liberals ever come to recognize this, then there is hope.

5 posted on 05/07/2012 8:56:31 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (When we cease to be good we'll cease to be great. Be for Goode.)
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To: marktwain

Until he recognizes the right of people to defend themselves, instead of branding them vigilantes, and stops showing sympathy for those who would use guns to rob others, then I will believe that he is open to the facts. For now, I believe he want to dialog to change gun-owners’ opinions.


6 posted on 05/07/2012 8:58:19 AM PDT by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: marktwain
Because in real life, real tragedy comes when real people -- even those who act like idiots -- wind up on one side or the other of very real bullets.

Personally, I don't think the dead mentioned in this article were acting.

7 posted on 05/07/2012 8:58:41 AM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: marktwain

We used to have laws forbidding gun ownership and/or possession by aliens and other groups- notorious for killing each other-but egalitarianism dictates that aliens and “others” can carry firearms. Thus, we have granted “equal rights” are are seeing what “equal rights” really means!


8 posted on 05/07/2012 9:01:48 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: marktwain

We need to talk about cars. The amount of deaths caused by cars is a tragedy.


9 posted on 05/07/2012 9:03:22 AM PDT by certrtwngnut (It's not the people who vote that count, it's the people who count the votes. (Josef Stalin))
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To: certrtwngnut

Ban cars, if it only saves one life....


10 posted on 05/07/2012 9:04:41 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Paladin2
Half of the population are not termed looters by accident.

Half the population is below average.

11 posted on 05/07/2012 9:06:07 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: certrtwngnut

As someone once said, “I’d rather die peacefully in my sleep, like my grandfather did, rather than screaming for my life, like his passengers did.”


12 posted on 05/07/2012 9:11:34 AM PDT by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: marktwain

A lot of these “rights” discussions are meant to apply rationalism to get the reader to trade the right of one individual for the rights of a number of individuals.


13 posted on 05/07/2012 9:19:07 AM PDT by KC Burke (Plain Conservative opinions and common sense correction for thirteen years.)
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To: marktwain
"I don't think they give a rip about gun safety," Jefferson County Chief Deputy Randy Christian said. "We would entertain the thought of even teaching them gun safety if they are brave enough to show up. Doubt we will get any takers."

Ok, made it mandatory, like PE or English or math. Starting in what, 5th? 3rd? grade, all students are required to take firearms safety/handling/marksmanship classes.
14 posted on 05/07/2012 9:38:32 AM PDT by Svartalfiar
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To: marktwain
From the article: "We need to talk safety, and consequences. "

What kind of a lunatic thinks that having 13-year-old armed robbers getting shot dead is a "safety" issue?

I'm encouraged by the desperate nature of the latest arguments from the anti-gunners. We are definitely winning this battle, though it still seems glacially slow here in the People's Republik of Kalifornia.

It's vital that we prevent Obama from appointing any more Supreme Court Justices. He's done enough damage already. Romney would accidently choose better nominees than Obama would choose intentionally.

15 posted on 05/07/2012 9:45:30 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: marktwain

Firearms are responsible for fewer than 10% of violent crimes; let’s talk about the other weapons first.


16 posted on 05/07/2012 9:48:26 AM PDT by 12Gauge687
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To: John O

“...Ja’Quares Walker wielded a gun in a botched robbery, and was shot dead because of it.”

And Mr Archibald has a problem with this, because?

“We need to discuss ways of limiting gun supplies to criminals...”

Mission accomplished/ problem solved, Mr Archibald.


17 posted on 05/07/2012 9:56:14 AM PDT by carriage_hill (((.)))
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To: marktwain

Typical elitist clap-trap.

You see, because you possess a gun you are obvioulsy as enlightened as Mr. Archibald. You need to take the time to sit down and discuss gun ownership with the emminently superior intellect that Mr. Archibald has and his obvious grasp of the “arms” debate. We are hoping that you will gain some progress in disposing of your Neanderthal ways of thinking.

No we don’t believe you will ever be as bright as Mr. Archibald. You can make progress though.

Here, take the red pill.


18 posted on 05/07/2012 9:56:24 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: certrtwngnut

And by people drinking from unclean garden hoses, too! (;^{0


19 posted on 05/07/2012 9:58:03 AM PDT by carriage_hill (((.)))
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

...obviously NOT as enlightened...

Never too busy to proof, Clete!


20 posted on 05/07/2012 9:58:11 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: marktwain

1. Dead violent criminals are, AT ANY AGE, the ideal outcome of self defense. They don’t have to be tried. They don’t take up prison beds. And they never, ever, commit another crime.

2. Idiots, fools, criminals, and Nigerian email scammers are not an excuse to suspend the First Amendment, so why are they excuse to suspend the Second?


21 posted on 05/07/2012 10:00:34 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: marktwain
"Bullets were fired into houses across Birmingham on Feb. 29 and March 20th, on March 26th, March 31st, April 8th and April 10th...."
Criminals did this. These things don't just happen...a criminal is defined as a person who commits an action or an instance of negligence that is deemed injurious to the public welfare or morals or to the interests of the state and that is legally prohibited.

"Idiots with access to guns kill people."
Not idiots...criminals!

"On Gravine Island, 17-year-old purported burglar Summer Moody was shot in the head by vigilantes who claimed it was meant as a warning shot. In Birmingham, 13-year-old Ja'Quares Walker wielded a gun in a botched robbery, and was shot dead because of it."
Amazing...the dead guys are criminals...NOT VICTIMS.

"The shootings were, the way the facts now appear, legally justifiable. "
Amazing how the author terms it above a 'botched robbery' and yet here claims 'the way the facts appear'. Facts are facts and appearances are appearances. Hey author, get a dictionary and learn what words mean. Appearances: outward impressions, indications, or circumstances. Facts: something known to exist or to have happened; reality; truth.
22 posted on 05/07/2012 10:22:04 AM PDT by An American! (Proud To Be An American!)
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To: marktwain

John Archibald sounds as though he might be open to facts and to reassesing his assumptions about reality.


I would bet that Mr. Archibald led the charge against allowing NRA’s Eddie Eagle firarms safety course to be taught in public schools.


23 posted on 05/07/2012 10:50:45 AM PDT by Mack the knife
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To: kosciusko51

When leftists lose a policy argument (can’t make their opponents shut up) they try to sound real reasonable and approach the winners and say let’s dialog about this... This guy almost did it, but he could not help himself in smearing the people who exercise self defense and feelin sorry for the dead criminal “victims.”

How do you keep gang bangers from getting guns and shooting up their neighborhoods? LOCK THEM UP with a life sentence for gang banging. How do you get Mexicans to stop shooting in the air like they do at home? Deport the illegals and close the border. That is as much dialog as the left needs.


24 posted on 05/07/2012 12:24:07 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: marktwain
John Archibald sounds as though he might be open to facts and to reassesing his assumptions about reality.

Indeed. He may have a lot more free time in which to do so.

16 April:



Today is a dark day at The News. It marks the last day not only for Ginny, but for health writer Anna Velasco. By May veteran political writer Tom Gordon — with more stored memory than an iPad — will be gone. So will young Erin Stock.

It’s not just a News thing, it’s a news thing. They tell us, in fact, that our readership is good and ad revenue is rebounding. But technology and economics have worn on profitability in all news operations. Ours is no exception.

But it hurts. In all, since buyouts were offered in 2008, The News has lost more than 500 years of reporting experience. Decorated reporter Dave Parks — who pretty much discovered “Gulf War Syndrome” — went. State editor Glenn Stephens, who could pilot a newsroom through a storm with an even keel, is gone. Food writer Jo Ellen O’Hara left us, as did outdoors writer Mike Bolton.

We’ve lost 32 people in the newsroom. Twenty were reporters, the real workhorses.

18 April:

-more-

25 posted on 05/07/2012 4:16:54 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: marktwain
John Archibald is an ass. When a criminal gets dusted it is not a tragedy. It's a cause for celebration.

Because the dirtballs life was ended early, how many more innocent, good Americans were spared the ignominy of being preyed on by said dirtball.

26 posted on 05/07/2012 5:34:30 PM PDT by metalurgist ( Want your country back? It'll take guns and rope. Marxists won't give up peaceably.)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
We used to have laws forbidding gun ownership and/or possession by aliens and other groups- notorious for killing each other

This Country used to have laws that made it illegal to sell liquor to Indians because when drunk they turned murderous. Why can't we ban guns to Blacks and Mexicans until they are 45 or so, where according to the FBI criminal stats they start to slow down.

27 posted on 05/07/2012 5:44:06 PM PDT by metalurgist ( Want your country back? It'll take guns and rope. Marxists won't give up peaceably.)
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To: marktwain
We've been talking, Mr. Archibald. You haven't been listening. I want to believe - I truly do - that a call for gun safety classes for thugs was intended satirically. Because that really is the crux of the matter - they're armed, they're idiots, and they don't care what "requirements" the noble of intention manage to fabricate. Passing laws doesn't help, Mr. Archibald. Thugs don't obey them.

The issue in my view is that the country has entered a state of quasi-warfare between honest people and thugs who have been aided and enabled by liberals who simply see them as solid citizens they haven't talked around yet, as members of an underclass that are simply lashing out against injustice or whatever it is that not possessing other people's wallets is termed these days. Consider this, Mr. Archibald - in a day when one could mail-order a battle rifle, gangs carried knives. What has changed isn't access to firearms. It's something a lot more basic - it's the acceptance of thug violence as socially legitimate. The prospective victims are responding by arming themselves. Ourselves. And we've had gun safety classes, and we do shoot back.

Give it up, Mr. Archibald. You and your ideological cronies managed to start this thing, and hoping that it will all go away if the targets will just die peacefully isn't going to happen. Buy a gun is my advice. You'll need it before I do.

28 posted on 05/07/2012 5:51:45 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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