Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Prosecutors change timeline in Jerry Sandusky case...
Pennlive.com ^ | 5-7-12 | Sarah Ganim

Posted on 05/07/2012 3:31:39 PM PDT by FlJoePa

Prosecutors no longer thinking that Mike McQueary saw Jerry Sandusky sexually assaulting a boy in a Penn State locker room the night before spring break in 2002.

Instead, new evidence shows what McQueary saw really happened in February 2001, the attorney general's office said in court paperwork filed today.

In the motion, the prosecutor allude that the change does not affect the allegations of a crime.

Also today, prosecutors responded to a request by Sandusky's attorney, Joe Amendola, for more evidence to be turned over before trial. The judge is expected to rule on that request at a Wednesday court hearing, which Sandusky will not attend.

Sandusky is scheduled for jury selection June 5 on 52 counts of child sex abuse against 10 boys. He denies all of the allegations.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: abuseofpower; donutwatch; nifongism; pennstate; revisionisthistory
This prosecutor must not be the brightest bulb on the string - only missed it by a year and 21 days. The GJ presentment was already littered with exaggerations and assumptions. Now this.
1 posted on 05/07/2012 3:31:45 PM PDT by FlJoePa
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: FlJoePa

Sandusky’s gonna walk.


2 posted on 05/07/2012 3:32:32 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: dfwgator

Wanna bet?


3 posted on 05/07/2012 3:36:42 PM PDT by traderrob6
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: traderrob6

I just have a feeling the prosecutor is going to find a way to F it up.


4 posted on 05/07/2012 3:38:04 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: dfwgator

Well, imo he was always going to walk on victim #2. They have no victim and McQueary’s testimony is all over the place. Now they find out the date is off by 13 months. Is it even within the statute of limitations? And how do you continue to prosecute Curley and Schultz after this comes out?

They’ll get him on the kid from Central Mountain High School, but that doesn’t make it a “Penn State” scandal anymore. What fun is that for the media?

Wait til the Paterno family attorneys get done with that University. You think tuition is high now!?


5 posted on 05/07/2012 3:43:20 PM PDT by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: FlJoePa
This prosecutor must not be the brightest bulb on the string - only missed it by a year and 21 days. The GJ presentment was already littered with exaggerations and assumptions. Now this.

If someone asked me to time an event 10 years prior, I would couch it as an estimate, unless it was associated with a speacial occasion like anniversary, travel etc.

I have to think that's what happened here.

Then, investigators are able to nail it with paper trail, phone logs, emails later.

Totally plausible.

6 posted on 05/07/2012 3:45:09 PM PDT by cicero2k
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: cicero2k

Well, she charged two PSU administrators with perjury based on the old time line. What happens now? And what IS the statute of limitations? If it is 10 years, it came and went.


7 posted on 05/07/2012 3:47:55 PM PDT by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: FlJoePa
So the prosecutor is now coaching the witness?
8 posted on 05/07/2012 3:54:30 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barack Obama has cut and run from what he called "the right war".)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FlJoePa

Nothing has felt right to me about this case from the beginning. And I would say the truth is at one of the extremes of the story.

Either this is a completely false accusation that will totally fall apart, or it is much, much bigger and will explode when the truth comes out.

There’s something about the story presented so far that has never seemed correct.


9 posted on 05/07/2012 3:58:34 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: cicero2k
You'll have to explain to me something, what's

"a speacial occasion"

Isn't that special?

10 posted on 05/07/2012 4:08:40 PM PDT by STD ([You must help] people in the communityÂ…feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: FlJoePa
Well, she charged two PSU administrators with perjury based on the old time line. What happens now? And what IS the statute of limitations? If it is 10 years, it came and went.

So if I give my best estimate of time elapsed, and it is wrong; is it perjury?

If so, then I would give it a broad bracket and say somewhere between 5-10 years ago.

11 posted on 05/07/2012 4:19:15 PM PDT by cicero2k
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: cicero2k

If someone is grilling me on what happened in 2002 and subsequently charges me with perjury over my answers, and then it turns out they change the date by 13 months, I think my attorney might have a bit of a problem with it. And rightfully so.


12 posted on 05/07/2012 4:24:47 PM PDT by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: FlJoePa

Sandusky was running a sex ring for homosexuals-—probably had clients who were judges, politicians-—exactly like the Franklin Cover-up and the Producers who raped the Corey boys and are still free producing their filth.

Notice the press is quiet on these people-—not like with the Catholic Church-—Why? Because Hollywood and Sandusky type people think homosexuality is “good” and sodomy is a “right”. Won’t be long before it is legal to rape boys like they do in homosexual nations like Afghanistan and the homosexual Nazis —SS and SA— and they did in Ancient Greece and Japan-—the Samurai, etc., etc.

It is the main reason Judeo-Christian Ethics are under attack and all Christianity (in orthodox form) has to be eliminated. Many churches have been taken over by pagan/Satanists/atheists already —for the one World Religion which will embrace all pagan rites—esp. sodomy. It removes Objective Truth—Right and Wrong—and God and the Principles in the US Constitution. They teach Moral Relativism in all public schools since the 70’s to force their pagan/atheist worldview on our children.


13 posted on 05/07/2012 4:53:03 PM PDT by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FlJoePa
If someone is grilling me on what happened in 2002 and subsequently charges me with perjury over my answers, and then it turns out they change the date by 13 months, I think my attorney might have a bit of a problem with it. And rightfully so.

I see what you are saying. The date movement should eliminate the perjury charge.

If someone started asking me about activity in 2002, and I know that timing inaccuracies are considered perjury. I would not answer anything, or make sure that they knew I could not be certain of dates.

Or I would say I'm 80% certain of the time, 100% certain of the event.

14 posted on 05/07/2012 5:02:38 PM PDT by cicero2k
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: savagesusie
Sandusky was running a sex ring for homosexuals-—probably had clients who were judges, politicians-—exactly like the Franklin Cover-up and the Producers who raped the Corey boys and are still free producing their filth.

Do you have any proof of this or is it just a theory? Because with the whole disapperance of Ray Gricar, you do have to wonder how high up this whole thing went.

15 posted on 05/07/2012 5:35:27 PM PDT by mockingbyrd
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: FlJoePa
This prosecutor must not be the brightest bulb on the string - only missed it by a year and 21 days.

You have to wonder why Mike McQueary's father, John, and Dr. Jonathan Dranov, the clinic director who was called to the McQueary household to help advise the McQuearys on what to do, apparently couldn't remember the month of such an important date in their lives. They worked at a clinic to which Sue and Joe Paterno had donated over $1 million, they advised Mike McQueary not to call the police and to call Coach Paterno the next morning to discuss what he'd seen - but it apparently didn't make that much of an impression on them.

16 posted on 05/07/2012 5:54:03 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FlJoePa
"This prosecutor must not be the brightest bulb on the string..."

...or he's intentionally throwing the case.

17 posted on 05/07/2012 6:00:35 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: cicero2k
Or I would say I'm 80% certain of the time, 100% certain of the event.

The key here is that Curley and Schultz were charged with perjury on the grounds that they lied about what McQueary told them, and lied about what they did with the information.

I have't seen a charge that depends on whether they were told in March or January. If, for example, Schultz claims that in subsequent meetings the issue of sexual abuse by Sandusky was never discussed and the prosecutors believe they have evidence that sexual abuse was discussed, it's not dependent on whether the event happened in January or March.

And that was an example, folks. I'm not going back through the grand jury presentment tonight to find the specific discrepancies that prosecutors could claim were perjury. But they weren't tied to a specific date of disclosure.

18 posted on 05/07/2012 6:00:57 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

TEA Party On!

The Place for Conservatives
We have some elections to win!



19 posted on 05/07/2012 6:03:40 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Scoutmaster

That’s fine, but we’re talking about 13 months, not 2 or 3 months. Shouldn’t this all be determined BEFORE bringing charges? Especially for the most explosive, media driven charge (victim #2)?

Also, Amendola has already said he HAD victim #2 as a defense witness, IF the alleged occurrence was in 2001 and not 2002 (until he lawyered up).

This is not good news for the prosecution and leaves them with no victim, no eye witness (to the alleged acts they intentionally inserted in the presentment in an effort to attract more victims), a confused timeline, and a shaky star witness who is all over the map.

Not a good job at all by the AG’s office and a pathetic response by the B.O.T. and the University in general. Oh, and the worst job of all was of course turned in by our own MSM - go figure.


20 posted on 05/07/2012 6:35:19 PM PDT by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: FlJoePa
My post was primarily in response to your statement "Well, she charged two PSU administrators with perjury based on the old time line."

I'm unaware of any part of the perjury charge that was dependent on the time line. Instead, it was over denying what they'd been told by McQueary, what subsequent meetings took place, what was discussed at subsequent meetings, what was discussed with other individuals at Penn State, and what actions were taken by each of Curley and Schultz.

That's more 'sexual abuse? We never talked about sexual abuse? Nope, we didn't have any meetings about sexual abuse.' And less "yes, we knew it, but we didn't know it on March 15th at 2:00 p.m."

It was hard for them to know the exact date. McQueary tied it to a date he went to pick up recruiting tapes and new athletic shoes. It wasn't meaningful enough to JoePa for him to remember "the kids who were victims or whatever", and child sexual abuse didn't appear to be such a big thing with Dr. Dranov, nor John McQueary. There's no record of a call to the University Park police, not a file opened with the Penn State police. Curley and Schultz don't know, or didn't keep records that have been shared with the prosecution. Penn State admitted it didn't make any effort to find out who the victim was. Sandusky's not telling. The Second Mile records from this period disappeared from the warehouse, so we don't know who Sandusky was taking around during this time.

And witnesses are going to be a problem. One was hounded out of high school. The others know what's important. Look for the quote from the attorney representing one of the witnesses, saying he probably wouldn't have come forward had he know how much this would damage Penn State football.

No, prosecutors don't have the name of Victim #2; nobody at Penn State was concerned with his identity.

21 posted on 05/08/2012 5:43:37 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson