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What do you do when the president is NOT a natural-born citizen?
5/07/12 | Me

Posted on 05/07/2012 7:51:59 PM PDT by Libloather

The Senate should take action. The House of Representatives should take action.

Where are they?


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KEYWORDS: citizen; hussein; naturalborn; naturalborncitizen; obama; treason; vanity
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I have no idea. TEAMS of lawyers would be needed to attack this Constitutional crisis.

If it was a Republican, would there be a question?

1 posted on 05/07/2012 7:52:02 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

Everything Obama has signed into law should be voided.


2 posted on 05/07/2012 7:54:10 PM PDT by donna (Mitt? NEVER!)
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To: Libloather

The Senate should take action. The House of Representatives should take action.

Where are they?

.....inside trading and happily skipping to the bank


3 posted on 05/07/2012 7:55:32 PM PDT by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: Libloather

Ain’t going to happen too much of a slippery slope....not to say it shouldn’t but won’t


4 posted on 05/07/2012 7:55:32 PM PDT by zimfam007 (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: Libloather

what should be done to someone who forged a birth certificate? Using a fraudulent social security card? Forged a selective service registration?


5 posted on 05/07/2012 7:56:17 PM PDT by biggredd1
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To: donna

Y’know .. that seems to be the concensus. but .. where do we actually derive the absolute .. everything becomes null and void?


6 posted on 05/07/2012 7:56:39 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Libloather

Lock hisw b
A$$ up for life. And his fat A$$ed wife as a co-conspiritor.


7 posted on 05/07/2012 7:57:24 PM PDT by MASS-2 FAC (Get premium health care - run for congress)
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To: Libloather

Constitutional crisis is the first thing libtards would yell if things really started to fall apart......WHEN IN FACT it is Pelosi who is responsible for vetting the party’s candidate and who’s fault it is it went as far as it’s going


8 posted on 05/07/2012 7:59:06 PM PDT by Doogle (((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: Libloather

Well, you could go on CNN and be ridiculed by that little sissy Anderson Cooper.


9 posted on 05/07/2012 8:00:34 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Libloather
The Senate should take action. The House of Representatives should take action. Where are they?

House? Lack of a smoking gun? Cowardice? Too close to the election?

Senate? Absolute,irrefutable,100% disinterest!!!!

10 posted on 05/07/2012 8:02:58 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Julia: a casualty of the "War on Poverty")
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To: Libloather

Re-elect him , which is just what the Americanos are going to do . Why would the Republicans choose fall guys twice in a row ? The answer should be obvious , and it’s not just because , generally speaking , that Americans are stupid / maleducated .


11 posted on 05/07/2012 8:03:31 PM PDT by sushiman
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To: Libloather
What do you do when the president is NOT a natural-born citizen?

Under our Constitution, only the Senate has the power to convict the president of anything that would constitute a "high crime or misdemeanor" and remove him from office (and only after he has been impeached by the House).

Only AFTER his removal from office would a president then be subject to normal legal process in the courts of law for such crimes as conspiracy to forge state-issued documents and making false electoral filings in the various states.

In the meantime, any of his co-conspirators may be prosecuted by any law enforcement agency with proper jurisdiction.

12 posted on 05/07/2012 8:05:19 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: Libloather
Where are they?

Counting the days until retirement, checking their investment portfolios online, and not rocking the boat that provides them a comfortable life. That's the "cut to the chase" answer.
13 posted on 05/07/2012 8:06:15 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Libloather

The only mechanism the Constitution provides for removing a president is impeachment and conviction.

Requires majority vote of House, possible but really unlikely. And 2/3 vote of Senate, quite beyond the realm of possibility.

There is no other way. What the Senate could have done is refuse to certify his election until he provided adequate proof he met the requirements. But that’s obviously water over the bridge at this point.

What we absolutely do not need is a court decision voiding the election, unlikely as such a decision is. The judicial branch has already grabbed too much power. We don’t need it being the final court of appeal in presidential elections, something with absolutely no justification in the Constitution.


14 posted on 05/07/2012 8:06:15 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Libloather
What do you do when the president is NOT a natural-born citizen?

Convince a court, somewhere, anywhere, that you are right. If that doesn't work, become a conspiracy theorist and convince yourself that everyone else is colluding to hide the truth.

15 posted on 05/07/2012 8:06:15 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: knarf

First, federal marshalls frog march him out of the White House.

Then prosecute Obama for fraud because he received a pay check under false pretenses. I guess they would have to impeach him first.

Then Congress has to go, one by one, through all the bills signed into law and decide whether to do-over.


16 posted on 05/07/2012 8:06:24 PM PDT by donna (Mitt? NEVER!)
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To: Libloather

The only fitting solution for someone perpetrating a fraud of this magnitude would be incarceration for life (hopefully a short one).


17 posted on 05/07/2012 8:12:55 PM PDT by BuffaloJack (End Obama's War On Freedom.)
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To: biggredd1

Hey, that whole century of 19xx just accidentally fell off that SS registration card.

It’s just a coincidence, of course.


18 posted on 05/07/2012 8:20:57 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Libloather
It should have been when the Electoral College vote count was presented to the Congress on Jan 9, 2009. THAT WAS THE LAST GATE. After that IMPEACHMENT is the only legal way of removing the President.

[Title 3, United States Code, Section 15] … Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any. Every objection shall be made in writing, and shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof, and shall be signed by at least one Senator and one Member of the House of Representatives before the same shall be received. When all objections so made to any vote or paper from a State shall have been received and read….

All it took was one objection from the House and one from the Sentate. BOTH PARTIES ARE IN ON THIS MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE THINGIE.
19 posted on 05/07/2012 8:23:44 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Libloather

canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/12999
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But not ONE member of America’s most powerful people will dare confront Obama and his anti-American cabal on the subject. The Constitution does NOT stand.
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Half of the people you expect to stop this insanity are quiet co-conspirators in the silent coup. The other half is paralyzed by fear, motivated only by political self-preservation.
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Americans keep asking what they can do because they see that none of their leaders are doing anything to stop the demise of their beloved country. It’s the right question, because those leaders are NOT going to stop this thing.
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20 posted on 05/07/2012 8:24:53 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Libloather

Complicity in forgery of a birth certificate is a serious matter, but aside from that Obama fails the natural born citizen standard because his father was not ever a U. S. citizen, and I believe that the minor age status of his mother makes him doubly not a natural born citizen.


21 posted on 05/07/2012 8:31:55 PM PDT by Elsiejay
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To: Libloather

Where are they?

Hiding under their desks.

Not a Patriot in the bunch.

There isn’t a one worth a pint of sour Urine.


22 posted on 05/07/2012 8:37:12 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Libloather

In the immortal words of Rodney King-

Ah, man, can’t we jus all git together!


23 posted on 05/07/2012 8:38:24 PM PDT by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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To: Libloather
The House and Senate are quaking in their boots, afraid that the MSM will call them racists and say other bad things. These craven cowards have no spines or courage. They are gelded, perfumed princelings that populate Capitol Hill. Self-centered, arrogant, and stupid — perfect traitors to the oaths they swore to defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and DOIMESTIC.
24 posted on 05/07/2012 8:49:01 PM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: Meet the New Boss

“Under our Constitution, only the Senate has the power to convict the president”

BUT, is he actually president? If you subscribe to the theory that everything he has done is void, that means he never actually was president and isn’t president now. So just have the D.C. police arrest him and put him in their jail.


25 posted on 05/07/2012 8:49:27 PM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: faucetman
If you subscribe to the theory that everything he has done is void, that means he never actually was president

He wouldn't be the first government official to have held office while being in fact ineligible for it.

The law is well-established that his official acts would continue to be valid under the "de facto officer" legal doctrine.

26 posted on 05/07/2012 8:55:32 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: Libloather

Article II “******shall be eligible to the Office*******” el·i·gi·ble/ˈelÉ™jÉ™bÉ™l/ Adjective: 1.Having the right to do or obtain something; satisfying the appropriate conditions. Obama is NOT president. He has no right to the office. He had no right to obtain the office. He didn’t and doesn’t satisfy the appropriate conditions to be president, never did. And these things he SHALL be, to wit a Natural Born Citizen.


27 posted on 05/07/2012 9:02:09 PM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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Maybe. I think it goes to the highest level for president. I mean it's not a dog catcher who lives outside city limits.

I don't know the right answer and the cowards in the government would never make such a decision to overturn everything. It all will stand until undone by subsequent elected officials. Obama will never be prosecuted.

He got away with it.

Let's make sure it NEVER happens again.

28 posted on 05/07/2012 9:09:34 PM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: donna
Then prosecute Obama for fraud because he received a pay check under false pretenses. I guess they would have to impeach him first.

Don't forget the almost $1/2 BILLION dollars he raised under false pretenses in 2007-2008.

How did Obama raise so much money for his 2008 campaign? You must read this.

Sounds like multiple fraudulent actions.
29 posted on 05/07/2012 9:10:32 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Meet the New Boss

Andrew Breitbart left us knowing more than he had time to disclose to us.

What did he know that we need to re-discover, document and publish?

Why are ALL of Obama’s important early documents forged?

Where was Obama during his “Lost Years?”

Why are there so few known Obama childhood friends?

How many of Obama’s childhood buddies are still alive?

Was Obama a FOREIGN student at Occidental, Columbia or Harvard?

Who wrote the checks for Obama’s education?

Where these question that Andrew Beitbart knew some of the answers to?

____________

To tie the above with some speculative food for thought, please indulge me, (but DO ponder the speculations), as I re-post one of my recently updated comments as follows:

A dictator, such as Obama, only has the power that the people give him.

Currently, at least 40 % of polled American voters are gladly willing to give Obama the necessary power to continue his arrogant dictatorship.

About 47 % of American voters pay NO Personal Federal Income Taxes. These voters are the “fair share” voter base for Dictator Obama. We, in the 53 %, then are paying this 47 % to vote for Obama by virtue of us paying taxes for ourselves AND them.

In this manner we are supporting the voters who vote for Obama, and they will vote to do so again in November.

Dictator Obama has designed Obama”care” to become active only AFTER he is to be re-elected, thus enabling THE NINE SUPREMES to delay ruling on the Constitutionality of the dictate of the individual mandate until Obama is once again the Illegal Foreign White House Occupier, (IFWHO).

The purpose of Dictator Baby-Doc Barack is simple: 1.) Regulate; 2.) Control; and 3.) Destroy. By his own count he has already achieved 60 % of his goals, according to the note he says he carries in his pocket.

Obama’s obvious arrogant and deep hatred of America could have only come from what he was taught in his childhood.

Since there are no known networks of childhood friends from Obama’s past, Obama was probably a member of a Marxist sleeper cell funded by wealthy men with a Marxist view of the World.

The lack of credible documents that has NOT been forged requires a long-term, highly skilled and well-funded support group.

Who the key members of Obama’s probable support group and probable sleeper cell were and are is well known to the Interpol, CIA and the FBI.

Will “Citizen Journalists” such as Breitbart Editor Joel Pollack be able to out-spy the latter two US tax-funded spy entities?

BTW, forget about the LAM, (Liberal Agenda Media), as they are saving their notes to write their tell-all Obama books after Obama has SAFELY retired back home in Kenya.

BTW, BTW, to all the doubters of the above speculations: what does your gut tell you?

______________________

The questions we ask
Are simple to say,
One wonders why they
Were not asked,
Back in the Day?

Meanwhile, the drumbeat of Dictator, (in his own mind), Obama grows louder:

regulate —— control —— destroy —— Regulate —— control —— destroy —— REgulate —— control —— destroy —— REGulate —— control —— destroy —— REGU


30 posted on 05/07/2012 9:12:44 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Libloather

I am convinced that there is a massive problem with Obozo’s
birth story, but I am now convinced that nothing will be done
about it, even if proven beyond any doubt that he is an illegal alien.
America failed the day that he took office, and I see little
chance that it will recover.


31 posted on 05/07/2012 9:16:17 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: faucetman

I hate to be even more depressing, but the plain truth is that there comes a point at which wide-spread corruption and cowardice will simply overwhelm all the constitutional and legal safeguards one can devise.


32 posted on 05/07/2012 9:17:48 PM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: Sherman Logan
The only mechanism the Constitution provides for removing a president is impeachment and conviction.

Or voting him out after one term.

-PJ

33 posted on 05/07/2012 9:24:59 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: Libloather
It would be unfair to obammy to punish him without punishing all of his enablers in both parties who have done far worse than obammy. They betrayed their oaths and delivered the U.S. Constitution over to a foreign power. obammy didn't do anything except accept money for a good job acting and fooling most of the American public. He didn't fool the political parties, as there is evidence to show they were a part of the plot. If they knew, they are guilty of betraying their oaths, even while they were still citizens. obammy, a non-citizen, took the oath of office knowing he was a liar and a spy and used his skills to destroy the nation for others to rule over what was left of it. Not deserving of citizenship, much less president.

Time for the perp walk and hope he has not damaged our infrastructure beyond reprair.

34 posted on 05/07/2012 9:44:16 PM PDT by Eastbound (3-7-77)
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To: Doogle

That and add the fact that the Demons aren’t going to do anything to a Demonrat prez and the House Republicans are, well, acting like Republicans usually do........NO NADS!


35 posted on 05/07/2012 9:49:03 PM PDT by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: Libloather

You mean like a Senate controlled by Democrats?


36 posted on 05/07/2012 10:35:16 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Libloather
What do you do when the president is NOT a natural-born citizen?

Waste trillions of bits of internet data that could be otherwise used for something like teen angst, trolling or pr0n.

37 posted on 05/07/2012 10:54:26 PM PDT by douginthearmy (Obamagebra: 1 job + 1 hope + 1 change = 0 jobs + 0 hope)
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To: douginthearmy

Bookmark


38 posted on 05/07/2012 11:38:47 PM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: Libloather; Cheerio
It should have been when the Electoral College vote count was presented to the Congress on Jan 9, 2009. THAT WAS THE LAST GATE. After that IMPEACHMENT is the only legal way of removing the President.

The first Tea Party rally?

SCOTUS vigil regarding Obama's eligibility December 5, 2008.

We have grown and We the People are Not going away.

39 posted on 05/07/2012 11:40:39 PM PDT by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: Libloather

Stealing more money or being bribed.


40 posted on 05/07/2012 11:59:06 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Libloather

What do you do if the President is not a natural born citizen?

Do you have a media who are fully complicit, or not?


41 posted on 05/08/2012 12:02:53 AM PDT by Yaelle
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Well, if anyone coordinates a “Show the Birth Certificate” rally at the WH lawn I will take off and drive the 1,100 miles to make it. I will need 2 months advanced notice to put in for the PTO.


42 posted on 05/08/2012 12:48:35 AM PDT by Casie
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To: Libloather

Everyone of consequence knows Obama is not an American.

He is the biggest hoax every perpetuated on the American public.


43 posted on 05/08/2012 12:50:28 AM PDT by Iron Munro (If Repub's paid as much attention to Rush Limbaugh as the Dem's do, we wouldn't be in this mess)
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To: Casie
Oh! How about a “I'll show you mine if you show me yours” website. It could be showit.com and we can all post pics of what we look like holding a real BC. :p
44 posted on 05/08/2012 12:53:09 AM PDT by Casie
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To: Libloather

Without bollocks or backbone..


45 posted on 05/08/2012 1:22:42 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Libloather

Where are they? Out for lunch, best guess......


46 posted on 05/08/2012 1:48:46 AM PDT by saintgermaine
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To: Political Junkie Too
"Or voting him out after one term.

For PJ, having introduced us to Thomas Paine, there is another answer, and it may be the one of the few peaceful ones. It is that we educate citizens who have been intentionally confused by ‘agitprop’ - political operators who plant all sorts of rumors, and whose purpose is to confuse.

Barack Obama never told us, or anyone, that he is a natural born citizen. Obots would like people to remain confused, and cite Supreme Court cases which they know most won't read, and make assertions that they know most won't, or can't, take the time to research.

Obots use sophistry, telling people there was never a Constitutional definition for the phrase ‘natural born citizen.’ That is sophistry because there was never a Constitutional definition for any phrase or term, unless you want to call the restriction on 'Treason' a definition. In that case, there is but one definition. Our framers did not want the Constitution's value, which is its ideas, to change as language changes over time. They created the document to be understood by any literate citizen. Madison specified that it is to be understood, as Chief Justice Waite explained when he confirmed that common-law definition for natural born citizen, “At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar.” Justice Waite was establishing the initial conditions for turning “born on the soil to parents who were its citizens” into positive law.

The reason political parties, neither one, will touch it is because both concealed the illigitimacy of their candidate. The Democrats went to remarkable trouble to cover up McCain's ineligibility, with two senate actions in two months, S.2678 in Feb 2008 and Sen. Res. 511 in Apr 2008. S. 2678 is called the ‘‘Children of Military Families Natural Born Citizen Act’’, and was sponsored by Clare McCaskill and Barack Obama. Sen. Res. 511 was sponsored by McCaskill, Obama, Leahy, and Clinton, and said ““Because he was born to American citizens, there is no doubt in my mind that Senator McCain is a natural born citizen,” said Leahy. “I expect that this will be a unanimous resolution of the Senate.” It was unanimous, and Obama, who has never claimed to be born to citizen parents, was one of those signing. Both parties are complicit. Both are filled with career politicians for home the gravy train takes precedence over law and the Constitution, and who hold the public in such small esteme they both play the Alinsky games, calling anyone questioning their re-definition of who is eligible, from those born on our soil to citizen parents, to anchor babies, born on our soil, and potentially born to Al-Queda Jihadists, living in a cave in Arizona until their order eliminate the nonbelievers arrives. Our framers were not stupid enough to allow such and interpretation, but both political parties don't think you'll notice. They'll call you 'birthers' if you even ask, and authorititavely mis-cite case law, most recently, pretending that State courts have the authority to interpret the Constitution, citing Ankeny, an error-filled Indiana decision which contracdicts Suprme Court precedent.

PJ, your discovery of the remarkably elegant summation of why we require, but only for our president, someone, ”of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty”, as 14th Amendment author Bingham put it. Our orators have been silenced for fear of the mob, or for their incomes, but we have the words of many orators, such as Tom Paine. Part of the Paine quote from his response to Edmund Burke in 1790, from “The Rights of Man” is worth repeating:

The presidency in America (or, as it is sometimes called, the executive) is the only office from which a foreigner is excluded, and in England it is the only one to which he is admitted. A foreigner cannot be a member of Parliament, but he may be what is called a king. If there is any reason for excluding foreigners, it ought to be from those offices where mischief can most be acted, and where, by uniting every bias of interest and attachment, the trust is best secured. But as nations proceed in the great business of forming constitutions, they will examine with more precision into the nature and business of that department which is called the executive. What the legislative and judicial departments are every one can see; but with respect to what, in Europe, is called the executive, as distinct from those two, it is either a political superfluity or a chaos of unknown things.”

Obama was born a British Subject. He told us he was a 14th Amendment, a naturalized citizen. To be president, according to Bingham, Chief Justice Waite, Chief Justice Marshall, and Chief Justice Hughes, in 1939, citing the difference between a native-born citizen with alien parents and one with citizen parents, determined that Marie Elg was a natural born citizen, not just a native-born citizen, because her parents had naturalized before she was born in New York.

47 posted on 05/08/2012 2:42:42 AM PDT by Spaulding
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To: Libloather
"WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN THE PRESIDENT IS NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN?"

You call the sheriff.
Sheriff Joe will have him in pink underwear and living in a tent. Where he belongs. . .

48 posted on 05/08/2012 2:42:59 AM PDT by DeaconRed (My vote in Nov will be dictated by my extreme hatred for ZERO and what he is doing to our country.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

Quite so.


49 posted on 05/08/2012 3:13:12 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Libloather
What do you do?

Well, for one thing remove his name from all future ballots.

50 posted on 05/08/2012 3:20:59 AM PDT by eCSMaster (Conservative patriots, Rise up!)
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