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Posted on 05/07/2012 8:41:01 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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You forgot to ping Jeff.
Since I have NO idea what you are talking about...
Show me SPITTING!
I check our Democrat Underground once every three months or so but I would never troll them. It makes no sense for them to do it here. They’ll get no where.
“You’ll be interested in knowing that on Hannity just now there was a debate between Michelle Malkin (conservative, in case you didn’t know), and Juan Williams (liberal, in case you didn’t know), about whether or not Obama was “upfront” about his support of homosexual marriage.
And you’ll be happy to know that Juan Williams and you are on the same side, and Malkin, Hannity and I are on the other side.
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I am tired of the same ohioWfan, please, you take my replies to you and put one or two of my words in quotes. Everyone already knows what I said. You don’t like it.
You want people here to back Romney. Romney and BHO are both pro-aborts and pro-sodomy by their own records. I do not see they have changed.
Their words mean nothing. BHO has the faith of his father and Mormonism is not of God.
The #1 and people ignore, you cannot vote for a pro-abort, God sees your actions and you have to account for it. It’s your soul, confess to God if you ever have, from the heart with true contrition.
Do not die in “mortal sin.”
“Oh; they are just LAUGHING at you, because of your recent signup date.
They ASSUME that it MEANS something that their great minds are able to detect and judge.”
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Thanks, now I understand. I guess, it will make them happy.
I’ll say it, I am not very smart.
if you can’t discuss or defend your position our your belief, you turn to meanness.
Another word/phrase: member of the democrat underground.
You KNOW that?
Another thread, another topic.
When they throw shiite at each other throughout the campaign only to later endorse one another, you as an observer and participant in the political process come out feeling like a complete fool.
The last few days I feel like I've been on DU, without leaving the comfort of FR.
It's like being in the Twilight Zone with Obamazombies.
See you around, my FRiend. It's been delightful to discuss reality with at least ONE conservative around here. (I'm glad there are at least two of us left!)
See you around, my FRiend. It’s been delightful to discuss reality with at least ONE conservative around here. (I’m glad there are at least two of us left!)
I look forward to it.
Best to you, FRiend!
We’ll “Troll” ‘em.
“Haha! Yeah, Romney is eeeevvvviiiilllll!!!!! And you and your demented quisling friends are fantastic ambassadors for your argument. Really. You’re changing lots of hearts & minds and endearing yourselves to all who see you. Keep up the great work, like savaging great patriots like Jeff Head, the sweetest spirit in this forum, you’re making lots of friends.
God’s real proud of you.”
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Jeff posted in his Mormon witness, yes, Mormons believe
in a “different” godhead.
I replied to him, that’s the problem, your belief is not Christian.
Others posted more non-Christian Mormon beliefs, I ask
Jeff Head to explain them and he hasn’t, silence.
How is that “savaging” him?
If the wild things you read of Mormonism on that short list aren’t true why does he not speak up?
How long will Romney remain silent, can he make it to the
Nice. Well done.
Jesus Christ is God’s Son, spiritually and physically. He calls Him Father, He prays to Him. We are to pray to Him,, God the Father, in the name of Jesus Christ, His Son.
God’s voice was heard at Christ’s baptism, coming from Heaven while He was in the water. The Holy Sirit also descended. Three seperate entities/Gods. A simliar experience occurred at the mount of transfiguration. The martyr Stephen saw Christ sitting next to God, he didn’t say He saw Christ and God sitting as one on the throne, Christ was on the Father’s right hand, seperate.
Mary concieved Christ miraculously through the power of the Holy Ghpst, and was God’s son. That is what the Church teaches. How that occurred is something the Church does not have an official position on other than it was miraculous through the power of the Holy Spirit. Some people have reflected and contemplated about it...but those apparently were their opinions.
Regarding your third question, read my witness, linked below, at the end, I address this issue directly, it is posted here on FR...but go there...and anyone else, and read it.
We teach that Jesus Christ, at the direction of God the Father, restored His church through the prophet Jospeh Smith. So, if He had not done that, there would be no LDS Church. We teach that Jesus Christ will be our Judge. He alone will pass final judgement. He alone atoned for our sins. Jospeh Smith, as a Prophet and Apostle of Jesus Christ will have the same role as the other Apostles, like Peter, James, and John...whatever that may be.
But the final Judge is Jesus Christ.
The third person in the Godhead is the Holy Spiirit, who is a distinct seperate individual God whose specific purpose is to convey truth to the hearts of men...that is why He has remained a spirit this entire time, to fulfill His calling from God the Father until God’s children have all been born, gone through life, and been judged for their mortal existance.
My Witness for Jesus Christ
Have a great evening...and may God bless this land and her people, that we can return to Him, stand for Him and His Son, and turn our nation around with their help...and particularly throw off this evil administration that is currently in office.
II Chron 7:14
mormonism teaches that Joseph Smith will sit with the lds jesus and decide who gets into the one of the celestial levels of lds heaven.
mormonism teaches that the lds god had intercourse with Mary to conceive the lds jesus.
mormonism teaches that the lds jesus is created not eternal.
Sources can be provided again, as they have been before by many.
Walking away; instead of proving your assertions?
Why on EARTH do the LOSERs ‘endorse’ the guy that beat them?
Do they think a voter would go clear over to the OTHER side of the aisle to vote instead of staying the the party they identify with?
Maybe all this is to try to hold onto ‘independants’ and ‘undecideds’; the kind of folks who go to horseraces and bet on a horse depending on the color of outfit the jockey is wearing!
I'll be glad when the two of you leave; as there are 7,000 or more that have not bowed the knee to Baal.
I am not 'personally attacking' anyone for exposing false teachings.
Three seperate entities/Gods.
That is what the Church teaches.
It also 'teaches' that the Father has a physical body, too.
Strange THAT was omitted, but at least you were straightforward on the 3 gods teaching.
Seems like there has been some LDS leaders who have made comments on this:
"He (Joseph Smith) is the man through whom God has spoken... yet I would not like to call him a savior, though in a certain capacity he was a god to us, and is to the nations of the earth, and will continue to be."- Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:321"You call us fools; but the day will be, gentlemen and ladies, whether you belong to this Church or not, when you will prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a god..."- Herber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 5:88"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]"- (as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142)There is "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God"- Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190"I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, "Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;" if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgressionif you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again."- Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155"It is because the Lord called Joseph Smith that salvation is again available to mortal men.... If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation,"- Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 396, 670
They succeeded in killing Joseph, but he had finished his work.He was a servant of God, and gave us the Book of Mormon.He said the Bible was right in the main, but, through the translators and others, many precious portions were suppressed, and several other portions were wrongly translated; and now his testimony is in force, for he has sealed it with his blood.As I have frequently told them, no man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven, without the approbation of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jun.Who has made this so?Have I?Have this people?Have the world?No; but the Lord Jehovah has decreed it.If I ever pass into the heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of the Prophet Joseph.If you ever pass through the gates into the Holy City, you will do so upon his certificate that you are worthy to pass.Can you pass without his inspection?No; neither can any person in this dispensation, which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.In this generation, and in all the generations that are to come, everyone will have to undergo the scrutiny of this Prophet.They say that they killed Joseph, and they will yet come with their hats under their arms and bend to him; but what good will it do them, unless they repent?They can come in a certain way and find favor, but will they?Brigham Young,
--JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, vol. 8, p. 224
16Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in amarriage; but are appointed angels in bheaven, which angels are ministering cservants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.
17For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are aangels of God forever and ever.
18And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that acovenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God.
19And again, verily I say unto you, if a man amarry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and beverlasting covenant, and it is csealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of dpromise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the ekeys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto themYe shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit fthrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depthsthen shall it be written in the Lambs gBook of Life, that he shall commit no hmurder whereby to shed innocent iblood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their jexaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the kseeds forever and ever.
20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from aeverlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be bgods, because they have call power, and the angels are subject unto them.
21Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my alaw ye cannot attain to this glory.
22For astrait is the gate, and narrow the bway that leadeth unto the exaltation and continuation of the clives, and few there be that find it, because ye receive me not in the world neither do ye know me.
23But if ye receive me in the world, then shall ye know me, and shall receive your exaltation; that awhere I am ye shall be also.
Indeed it does...
One last question:
Does The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints teach that it’s members are Christians?
God bless you!
New word Obamazombies.
No conservatives left on FR......now that’s funny.
See #426 and a few that follow, direct quotes. Thanks E.
I have tried to gracefully get away from this discussion with you, Elsie, in spite of your gnatlike spamming, but you have elevated your irritating style too far with this accusation that unkus and I are Baal worshipers, especially after I have told you outright of my faith in Jesus Christ, and acknowledged you as a brother in Christ.
There was a time, not too long ago, when the behavior you have exhibited here, especially in your personal harassment of a good freeper, Jeff Head, would have gotten you a warning from the Mods. At least a "Knock it off."
I thought about just reporting this post privately, but it is an attack so personal, and so degrading that I prayed and thought about it, and decided that I would report your behavior on this thread publicly, as you have made this desperate accusation publicly, in response to a post not made to you, and after I had said I was withdrawing from the discussion with you on this thread.
JimRob and Admin Moderator:
I believe that there are many people watching the 'truce' that has been called here on FR, and wonder if the blatant attempts at intimidation and bullying are considered acceptable behavior, even though they go far beyond the normal give and take sparring that always takes place here.
If Elsie's accusation that I am a Baal worshipper is considered acceptable political dialogue, then a lot of us need to know that.(Ironically, it is my strong opposition to Obama, who is willing to sacrifice babies to the god of abortion, and whom I have called "Obaalma" that apparently offends Elsie the most).
If these kinds of personal attacks are not acceptable, then we need to know that as well so we can report them when they occur, or at least know that the Mods are watching for them.
Thank you for any response you might give.
The lds-org denies that Jesus is the Creator, that everything was created THROUGH Him, BY Him and FOR Him.
They deny that Jesus created even the angels out of nothing.
They do NOT teach the truth about Jesus.
No; it's pathetic - and DESPARATE!
So much for your vow of a LAST WORD...
“Jesus Christ is Gods Son, spiritually and physically. He calls Him Father, He prays to Him. We are to pray to Him,, God the Father, in the name of Jesus Christ, His Son.
Gods voice was heard at Christs baptism, coming from Heaven while He was in the water. The Holy Sirit also descended. Three seperate entities/Gods. A simliar experience occurred at the mount of transfiguration. The martyr Stephen saw Christ sitting next to God, he didnt say He saw Christ and God sitting as one on the throne, Christ was on the Fathers right hand, seperate.”...
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Jeff, I appreciate your reply. There were five statements
about Moromonism. You replied to four with one a direction
to your words in your testimony at the link.
Trinitarian belief is not up in the air for anyone to believe as they wish. It is basic belief required for all Christians. This is why the Church does not recognize Mormon Baptism because of the Mormon rejection of the Trinity. Water Baptism said in the name of the Trinity is not an option either, it is a requirement for salvation. God is so loving, maybe, the Baptism of desire covers you all.
YES MORMONISM TEACHES THAT THE LDS JESUS WAS CREATED, NOT ETERNAL.
Jesus states “I AM” in Scripture, He is saying I am God, always was, always will be. Jesus is fully God and fully man. He is consubstantial which means “one in being” the same essence, substance as the Father.
You stated it three times in the full post, Jesus is the Son of God, never once did you say He is God.
Your complaint to the moderators isn’t fair. The thread
subject is about Santorum endorsing Romney.
I replied to say, I will never support Romney because of
his actions and his faith, they are not Christian.
A discussion about what liberals object to...”faith and politics” is needed because of the two Presidential candidates, neither one is Christian. This where the big ERROR helps Liberals, disbelievers, their definition of separation of Church and State. The founders meant do not discriminate because of a person’s faith, not faith is not a part of the state. Ignore God, disobey Him and how can He bless you?
A man’s morals, his virtue, where do they come from...God!
The discussion is fine.
Maybe not; but it is typical.
When we so few ANTI's start picking on MORMONism, and it's supporters cannot bring any data to bear into the discussions; they run to the Mods for relief like a wuss at recess complaining to the teacher.
Jesus is a member of the Godhead. He is my God and Savior. He has atoned for my sins, was perfect, and has saved me. He also has a Father who is also a member of the Godhead and God. Christ clearly recognized this and spoke of it often in the New Testament.
It is very plain in the New Testament that God the Father is Christ’s Father and was considered as such by Him. Also, that the Holy Ghost existed seperately at the time of Christ and had the mission I referred to earlier.
The Old Testament infers this as well. We believe, as you do that Christ created the earth. We believe He did so at the direction of the Father. Several times in Genesis the plural is used when refering to them. For example, when speaking of Adam and His transgression in the Garden, they say, “The man has become as one of us.”
The same terminology is used in several places there in Genesis and elsewhere.
So, our interpretation (and we believe it is through inspiration and revelation) is consistant with the Bible. We believe that the “Three in One” adopted in those councils is the interpretation that is not consistant and is one of many reasons the Church had to be restored.
We believe what the Bible plainly teaches, not what was decided by men in a council one or two hundred years later.
We also believe that the truth of these things will come forward in due time, particularly at Christ’s return. And having gotten that wrong will not matter if you have accepted jEsus Christ with all of your heart. He will teach all of us at that day what we need to know because He knows the heart and will not let such a thing as an improper interpretation stand between those who love Him and His love and grace.
Hope that helps you understand what we believe...even if we differ.
These videos may help you understand why you are actually not getting answers to your questions.
Quote: Robert Millet -
“As Latter-Day Saints, you already know more about God and Christ and the Plan of Salvation, than anyone who will attack you, take my word for it and you and I should take some degree of confidence in that.”
“So, our interpretation (and we believe it is through inspiration and revelation) is consistant with the Bible. We believe that the Three in One adopted in those councils is the interpretation that is not consistant and is one of many reasons the Church had to be restored.”
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Please share the “councils, you are referring to, there’s
a history of Catholic Councils.
Jeff, Jesus said I will not leave My Church in Matt 16:18, Satan will not overcome My Church. The Joseph Smith talk of a “restored” Church makes Our Lord a liar. Our Lord is God, He sees all of time, all of history, the present and the future.
You can’t say the “councils” were wrong and the Mormon interpretation of the Bible is correct because the same
authority, the Church canonized Scripture. You wouldn’t have your Bible to look to without that authority.
How the Canon of the Bible (the official catalogue of inspired books) was officially declared.
All books that were considered for the Cannon, but not included were called Apocrypha, and thus declared not inspired.
362 A.D. Catholic Church’s Council of Rome defines the Canon of Holy Scripture.
382 POPE DAMASUS issues a listing of the present OT and NT Canon of 73 books
383 Saint Jerome translates the Latin Vulgate from Greek & Hebrew
393 Council of Hippo (North Africa) approves the present Canon of 73 books
397 Council of Constantinople produces first bound Bible (the Vulgate: previously, all
were separate books)
397 Council of Carthage (North Africa) approves the same OT and NT canon
405 Pope Saint Innocent I approves the Canon again and closes it (with 73 books)
YES MORMONISM TEACHES THAT THE LDS GOD WAS ONCE A MAN WHO EARNED HIST GODHEAD STATUS.
“Remeber what Paul taught in Romans 10 and what Christ taught in Matthew. We believe those things and believe God in fact wants us to become like Him because He wants the very best for us and He has it. He loves us perfectly and wants us to have His perfect existance....
That as He created and brought us forth...His own children...and that He would have us do the same thing some day.
Now, Lorenzo Snow, based on a sermon Joseph Smith preached back in the late 1830s or 1840 came up with that couplet to describe what he felt Jospeph Smith was teaching based on these principles I have just described.
To us, these things are holy, special, and glorious and represent the will of a perfectly loving Father in Heaven. We understand how some others, particularly some of those versed in theologian schools, feel about these doctrines. They react to them almost precisely as the Pharisees reacted when Christ proclaimed directly to them that He was God’s Son.”
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Christians believe Our Lord was always God and always will be God.
Jeff, you are careful but you say it, we become the “same” like God. No, we will always remain the created, only God is divine. In His love God grants gifts, special charisms to holy people in this world and to those in Heaven. At the Final Judgment, the faithful will receive “glorified” bodies but we do not become Gods.
The gentleman on the first video states: “I am going ask
the question they should of asked.”
It was in reference to Mormons becoming Gods. I wonder if
Romney uses this tactic to avoid questions about Mormonism?
There is a recent video, Romney got very upset at one
reporter’s question about Mormonism. Mitt is afraid people
will find out what Mormonism preaches.
mormonism just gives me the shivers. For a reason that makes no logical sense, my lds family tells me everything. One of my uncles called me a “primitive”, I think that mean I am to stupid to understand the inner workings of mormonism.
Everything is on the internet these days, and it is scary.
Anyway, keep up the good work.
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