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"Trayvon Bill" to hit House floor(LA)
katc.com ^ | 7 May, 2012 | Shawn Kline

Posted on 05/08/2012 4:57:40 AM PDT by marktwain

A new bill would re-write Louisiana criminal law in response to the February shooting in Florida of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin.

The bill, HB1100, targets what's known as a "Stand Your Ground law." State lawmakers say as it reads right now, prosecutors would have a tough time pressing charges against the shooter if the Trayvon Martin case happened in Louisiana.

George Zimmerman faces a second degree murder charge for that shooting. A neighborhood watch activist, Zimmerman shot and killed Martin, Zimmerman says in self-defense, but according to some, "self-defense" isn't very clear in Louisiana.

"If the case were that Mr. Zimmerman actually pursued Trayvon Martin, then the judge and the jury should take that into consideration." Rep. Roy Burrell says, "to determine who was the actual aggressor."

A Representative from Shreveport, Burrell authors what's now dubbed the "Trayvon Bill."

If passed, it will re-write the "Stand Your Ground" law. SYG currently doesn't let a judge or jury consider pursuit to identify an aggressor; in this case, George Zimmerman pursued Trayvon Martin, even after contacting police.

"We have to know that guns kill," Rep. Terry Landry said. "We have to leave the policing to the authorities."

Acadiana Representative Terry Landry brings more than 30-years of law enforcement experience to the Administration of Criminal Justice Committee. That committee gave this bill the thumbs up and has high hopes it will become law, allowing the courts to determine an aggressor with evidence of pursuit.

"If the threat is removed, say if the person is running away from you, then the threat is clearly removed," Rep. Burrell said. "You cannot use deadly force to take a person's life."

The bill also got the thumbs up from District Attorneys around the state and it will hit the house floor Tuesday.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: banglist; defense; georgezimmerman; la; standyourground; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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More assumptions about the Martin case. Where are the existing problems with the Louisiana law?
1 posted on 05/08/2012 4:57:46 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Verdict first, trial after.


2 posted on 05/08/2012 4:58:35 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: marktwain

3 posted on 05/08/2012 5:00:32 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Julia: a casualty of the "War on Poverty")
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To: marktwain

It should apply to all Police Officers also, if it really is such a worthwhile law.


4 posted on 05/08/2012 5:01:33 AM PDT by eyeamok
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To: marktwain
Where are the existing problems with the Louisiana law?

I suspect this is less about "problems" with the Louisiana statute and more about another black democrat working the anti-gun agenda. At this point, it's a PR move to gain support in the black community.

5 posted on 05/08/2012 5:07:19 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: marktwain

It’s kinda funny. SYG does not even apply in the Martin/Zimmerman case.


6 posted on 05/08/2012 5:09:29 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: marktwain
http://www.royburrell.com/

Of course.

7 posted on 05/08/2012 5:10:03 AM PDT by grobdriver
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To: Charles Martel

Many blacks know that there is a good chance someone they know or in the family will be involved with crime. SYG gives the victim ability to kill them. Many in the black community feel that when someone is stealing, property owners killing the thief is over reacting. Ironically, blacks will fight and kill each other if one of them steals a coat from the other.


8 posted on 05/08/2012 5:13:59 AM PDT by Fee
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To: marktwain

There is absolutely no problem with arresting or charging someone for homicide under the stand-your-ground law.

All the police need to arrest your is probable cause.

All the prosecutor needs is evidence.

Of course, the Left wants Zimmerman killed without either.


9 posted on 05/08/2012 5:14:53 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: marktwain

Creating legislation according to false media reports is not a good idea. This bill should fail - there hasn't even been a trial yet.

In Lousiana people need to be able to defend themselves. It's just too dangerous there, and self-defense is rooted in Louisiana history.

10 posted on 05/08/2012 5:14:58 AM PDT by jonatron (This is the Land of the Free, the Home of the Brave.)
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To: marktwain

The people pushing laws like this are an active danger to our lives.

Probably more so than your average crazy running people down with his car.

These people out themselves as Socialists deliberately undermining our Country.


11 posted on 05/08/2012 5:19:24 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: cuban leaf

“SYG does not even apply in the Martin/Zimmerman case.”

Huh? Why not?


12 posted on 05/08/2012 5:20:48 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: FReepers
FYI


13 posted on 05/08/2012 5:22:33 AM PDT by tomkat ( FU.baraq <font finger=middle>)
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To: marktwain

Surprise! Doin' what he can to keep the bruthas safe.

14 posted on 05/08/2012 5:23:04 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: Travis McGee

So-—why didn’t Travon retreat? That was always my question—Why didn’t he simply run away when he knew Zimmerman was there? Or why didn’t he call out that he was going to visit a relative—or any of a hundred things he could have done?

That is what has always seemed strange to me...............was he drug addled? (Skittles, my left foot!)

Anyone with any sense would have let Zimmerman know what he was about.....if he had a right to be where he was.


15 posted on 05/08/2012 5:24:46 AM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: marktwain

“We have to know that guns kill,” Rep. Terry Landry said. “We have to leave the policing to the authorities.”

...what other witty little Marxist talking points can you fascinate us with?


16 posted on 05/08/2012 5:25:38 AM PDT by albie
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To: marktwain

But if the suspect comes back... You have to take our beating law.


17 posted on 05/08/2012 5:26:21 AM PDT by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: Beagle8U

SYG says you don’t have to run. But it only applies when you have that option. When you are on your back being beaten you do not have that option, so SYG does not apply. It is simple self defense. And that is what evidence and witness statements say happened in this case.


18 posted on 05/08/2012 5:28:45 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Charles Martel

Funny thing about gun control...

Originally, it was the Klan (democrats) who wanted gun control to keep guns out of the hands of blacks to keep them from defending themselves from white Klan terrorism.

Now, it’s the black democrats (again) who want to keep guns out of the hands of white people to keep them from using them to defend themselves from black thuggery.


19 posted on 05/08/2012 5:31:08 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: cuban leaf

You’re absolutely right...But the prosecutor...who has absolutely no evidence of wrong doing on the part of Zimmerman wants you to believe that Z was stalking Tray which is totally stupid...because suppose Tray did have a gun?? or a knife??


20 posted on 05/08/2012 5:31:53 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: basil

—Anyone with any sense would have let Zimmerman know what he was about.....if he had a right to be where he was.—

You and I would have, but a young man with “the chip” and the hubris apparent in his internet persona would have done what it appears Martin did.

Then again, you did say “anyone with any sense”. And that may be the problem here. Especially if he was under the influence of drugs.


21 posted on 05/08/2012 5:31:53 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: marktwain
The author:


22 posted on 05/08/2012 5:32:50 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: cuban leaf

Obviously, Zimmerman “dissed” Martin by suspecting him of ill intent,

so Zimmerman deserved at least a beat down, if not a beating to death.

(See, I can be “culturally sensitive”!)


23 posted on 05/08/2012 5:34:29 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Sacajaweau

Yep. The “Z stalking M” dog will not hunt in this case. During the dispatch call, Martin stared down Z and finally approached his vehicle. That is not a man who is intimidated. That is a man with the attitude of “What you lookin’ at, fool!”

I think that attitude cost him his life.


24 posted on 05/08/2012 5:34:35 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Fresh Wind

25 posted on 05/08/2012 5:36:18 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Fresh Wind
< facepalm >
26 posted on 05/08/2012 5:38:11 AM PDT by tomkat ( FU.baraq <font finger=middle>)
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To: marktwain
In my opinion based on news articles and stories I've seen or read over the years is that Officials, both DA and Police almost always charge somebody who has used a gun for self defense. The SYG laws were designed to help those who have used a gun in self defense from being punished and bankrupted by specious charges.

In this instance, what's overlooked is Zimmerman's job was neighborhood watch patrol and thus his job to follow and report suspicious characters in his neighborhood.

Therefor, the questions should be whether Zimmerman confronted Martin when there was no need to. Not whether he followed Martin, because we expect Zimmerman to keep himself present and visible. After all, following and showing presence and visibility is the chief tool of dissuasion for neighborhood watch patrols.

It would be interesting to know what type of Clothes Zimmerman was wearing. Was he dressed in dark concealing cloths or was he wearing some unofficial uniform and marking's identifying himself as Neighborhood watch?

27 posted on 05/08/2012 5:38:39 AM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: Usagi_yo

Z wasn’t ‘on patrol’ at the time .. he was returning home from a personal errand of some sort.


28 posted on 05/08/2012 5:40:13 AM PDT by tomkat ( FU.baraq <font finger=middle>)
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To: cuban leaf
You are mistaken.

SYG does more than give one the right of self defense if you could run away but didn't. It also protects one from civil suits by the family of the perp/victim.

Just because he was having his head smashed on the concrete and couldn't run away, Zimmerman is still protected by the state self defense law, which includes the protections of SYG.

29 posted on 05/08/2012 5:42:19 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: marktwain
>"in this case, George Zimmerman pursued Trayvon Martin, even after contacting police. "

Not according to the official police call.

Per the recording, "you shouldn't do that..... OK"

Zimmerman had ceased tracking/pursuit.

Skiddles ambushed George. Skiddels knocked George down, pinned him, and repeatedly smashed his skull against the sidewalk.

George defended his LIFE!

30 posted on 05/08/2012 5:42:54 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: marktwain
I have just a couple of thoughts on the “Not Not Allowed To Stand Your Ground” bill;
This bill will be signed into law because the politicians in Louisiana, like politicians all over the nation are scared sh*tless of black riots this summer. If a few whites get beaten, molested and killed because of such a law, so be it. Cheap price to pay to keep the blacks happy
31 posted on 05/08/2012 5:47:33 AM PDT by Tupelo ( 2012 TEA PARTYER but no longer a Republican)
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To: cuban leaf
Martin thought he could beat the sh** out of him and get away with it....

And it's likely he's hit on someone before....but of course, he's a juvee and everything gets sealed.

We know the kid stole and did drugs.....and his twitter pictures....pretty telling.....

32 posted on 05/08/2012 5:48:11 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Beagle8U

I was not aware of the “can’t sue the guy” aspect.

My point is that if it came down as Zimmerman claimed, he was within his rights even without SYG. If SYG protects him from lawsuits, so much the better.


33 posted on 05/08/2012 5:48:11 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Sacajaweau

That’s pretty much how I see it too.


34 posted on 05/08/2012 5:49:23 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: tomkat

If true, that’s not relevant. Even in actual sanctioned law enforcement it’s considered that you’re still on duty even when off shift, and like it or not (and they aren’t going to like it because it weakens their control) Zimmerman is in effect a deputized sheriff of sorts for his immediate neighborhood.


35 posted on 05/08/2012 5:51:22 AM PDT by Usagi_yo
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To: marktwain
“We have to leave the policing to the authorities.”

The police are welcome to continue policing, but they don't provide personal protection. That is left to the individual.

Besides, if I call police to save me from the burglar, they are likely to shoot my dog, trash my house, & arrest me for protesting after tasing me a few times.

Whites are now learning what blacks learned long ago: Calling police is the worse thing you can do. It only makes a bad situation worse.

Tell the law enforcement hucksters to take a hike. They haven't made the streets any safer, only meaner. Decent folks need the right to defend themselves w/o fear of arrest or financial ruin.

36 posted on 05/08/2012 5:53:38 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: cuban leaf
The law also protects him from even being charged if evidence doesn't support it.

There will be a special hearing on that and if the prosecution can't come up with solid evidence to support the charge, the Judge will toss the case out. There will be no trial.

That hearing that he had was a bail hearing, nothing more.

37 posted on 05/08/2012 5:57:32 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: marktwain

Prosecutors should have a tough time prosecuting(persecuting)an innocent man who used a firearm in defense of his life.


38 posted on 05/08/2012 6:01:54 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Usagi_yo
I agree re its being irrelevant.
Just stuck that up there as an fyi.
Carry on   ;-)
39 posted on 05/08/2012 6:03:22 AM PDT by tomkat ( FU.baraq <font finger=middle>)
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To: marktwain

“State lawmakers say as it reads right now, prosecutors would have a tough time pressing charges against the shooter if the Trayvon Martin case happened in Louisiana.”

As they should, since the evidence indicates GZ did nothing wrong. Perhaps the idiots trying to pass laws now should wait until the actual facts of the case come out during trial. What a concept.

I’m sick to death of grandstanding politicians drafting legislation in a knee-jerk manner, trying to capitalize on tragedy for political gain. It doesn’t make for good laws, and it’s really unbecoming. I hope the good people of Louisiana throw this bum out next election, and that his legislation dies the quick death it deserves.


40 posted on 05/08/2012 6:07:39 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty (Pray for America!!!)
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To: marktwain
Acadiana Representative Terry Landry:


41 posted on 05/08/2012 6:12:09 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (A conservative can't please a liberal unless he jumps in front of a bus or off of a cliff)
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To: Mr Rogers

How did I know.


42 posted on 05/08/2012 6:19:01 AM PDT by Lazamataz (To the wall, street occupiers!!!!!)
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To: Lazamataz

I talked to someone yesterday that spent longer than usual in the waiting room of a doctor’s office that serves about 50% minority clientele.

There was a magazine there called “Essence”, and it had a target demographic of black women.

She said it was just a bunch of angry, race related articles, and every ad in the thing referenced blackness in some way.

The left/satan has done the black culture a huge disservice by focusing their attention solely on their melanin content instead of getting along in society.


43 posted on 05/08/2012 6:24:31 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: marktwain

State lawmakers say as it reads right now, prosecutors would have a tough time pressing charges against the shooter if the Trayvon Martin case happened in Louisiana.

Good...thats the way it should be.

Some punk gets wasted and all of a sudden we can’t have that? The message to send is it COULD damn well happen again and again until the savages slink away.


44 posted on 05/08/2012 6:25:38 AM PDT by Adder (Da bro has GOT to go!)
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To: marktwain
It's a good thing Trayvon's name wasn't Bill. Then legislators throughout the country would have to be introducing Bill Bills dedicated to taking away our right to defend ourselves.
45 posted on 05/08/2012 6:44:54 AM PDT by crosshairs
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To: Beagle8U

—The law also protects him from even being charged if evidence doesn’t support it.

There will be a special hearing on that and if the prosecution can’t come up with solid evidence to support the charge, the Judge will toss the case out. There will be no trial.—

This is what I’ve been trying to explain on some liberal sites. Some get it but a lot don’t. As Dershowitz says, this prosecutor could find herself in trouble.


46 posted on 05/08/2012 7:18:55 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: marktwain

When there were no organized police, the PEOPLE WERE THE POLICE.

Somebody said it before, this has nothing to do SYG. This is a disparity of force case. Trayvon Martin used force against another person that would have caused serious physical injury or death. George Zimmerman used the APPROPRIATE amount of force to resolve the situation.

Most people do not die from gunshot wounds in the US. Martin did, unfortunately, but adult decisions have adult consequences. He, most likely because of his culture, refused to do the APPROPRIATE thing, as in summoning the police himself, to check out this stranger following him. He hid and ambushed Zimmerman and paid with this life.

This kneejerk, legislative activism will hurt ALL lawabiding gunowners who have a vested, personal interest in defense of self and others.


47 posted on 05/08/2012 8:32:34 AM PDT by Molon Labbie (Prep. Now.)
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To: marktwain
Debunking the stand your ground myth

The assertion that Florida law allows shooting whenever someone believes it to be necessary is a flat-out lie. The actual law of Florida is that “a person is justified in the use of deadly force” if “(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony” (Florida Statutes, Section 776.012).

The second part of the law provides special provisions for self-defense against violent home invaders or carjackers. Neither of those is relevant to the Zimmerman case.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2867480/posts

48 posted on 05/08/2012 9:24:21 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: marktwain

Nifongs on parade.

The prosecutors have always been the problem.

Perhaps we should have a PERSONAL LIABILITY FOR PROSECUTORS who bring this cases in order to bring clarity to there beady little government minded pensions.


49 posted on 05/08/2012 9:27:10 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Usagi_yo

haven’t you seen the homeland security posters? it is everyone job. “see something, say something.” is plastered all over federal buildings and public psa ads.


50 posted on 05/08/2012 9:31:34 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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