Skip to comments.Arraignment for George Zimmerman today (Update: no arraignment today)
Posted on 05/08/2012 7:39:01 AM PDT by Aunt Polgara
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IN any other case, I’d expect the judge to dismiss after the arraignment phase. In this one, he will probably let it go to trial with strict controls on what the prosecution can put on. IOW, kick it to a jury with little chance of a guilty finding. Of course in these days, that does not guarantee a not guilty given there may be a hung jury.
Then a refile on a lower charge if the vote is close, if not, no file...and Holder comes riding to the rescue with the case presented in Tampa JD with the sons of Obama on the jury.
Blacks are more racist than Whites
~ Larry Elder, "The Ten Things You Can't Say In America"
At least one eyewitness. It was reported that an earwitness was comforted by investigator Serino saying that person yelling for help survived.
I think John will testify; I don't trust the 13 year old to give truthful testimony. He may have played football with Trayvon, and in the "snitches get stitches" category, his peer group is black males.
But yeah, on Sybrina's role in Corey's fiction - Sybrina is counterbalanced by Zimmerman relatives who will testify to the opposite of what Sybrina does. So, all of those interested parties "balance out" as useless. We're left with the same evidence that SPD had, which, ironically, includes Tracy Martin saying the screamer isn't his son.
-- Since Dee Dee didn't initially come forward...My first question is "what is she hiding?" --
Probably she's hiding the truth. She knows that Trayvon was playing cat and mouse, that he wasn't scared, and she may know that Trayvon decked Zimmerman.
At any rate, coming out after significant parts of the investigation are public gives her time and information with which to craft a plausible lie. Further, she's an interested party.
-- How difficult to prove witness tampering/intimidation? --
Snitches get stitches - pretty difficult to trump that.
“..and Corey kicked the “Zimmerman’s a racist” prop out from the Fed’s case.”
>>How so?? <<
During the call to the cops, Zimmerman muttered under his breath “f***ing ??”
There were charges that he said “ f’ing coons”, but then it was speculated that he said “cold.” In the probable cause affidavit, Corey stated that it was “punks.” Ergo, no racial slur.
There's also the matter of chamber of Zimmerman's gun being empty, which raises the possibility that he may have been shot during a struggle for posession of the gun.
I assume they also have, or will have the lab work on Trayvon's blood chemistry which may yield some evidence.
But you can't intimidate a security camera. Ergo hoodies.
There is a serious problem with that. Unless the case gets kicked out before a jury decision, Zimmerman, his homeowner’s association, etc. are still open to civil damage lawsuits like what happened to OJ here in Los Angeles. He was found not guilty by the jury, but was financially ruined by the civil suits. It's all about the Benjamins
I don't see any way the feds can manufacture racial animus and attribute it to Zimmerman, even on a temporary basis. Without racial animus being THE reason for the attack, the feds have no cause of action against a citizen.
Not relative to the case, just curious:
Wonder if Tracy Martin has any DUI or PI charges? Many young people involved in the things Tray seemed to be interested in are simply doing their own interpretation of a parents behavior.
>>I don’t see any way the feds can manufacture racial animus and attribute it to Zimmerman, even on a temporary basis. Without racial animus being THE reason for the attack, the feds have no cause of action against a citizen.
The only thing they might dredge up is Zimmerman’s years old MySpace page, but if there is any racial animus there, it appears to be against Mexicans.
The timing of all this is for that purpose.
George Zimmerman gets a speedy kangaroo trial, while Major Nidal Hassan has still not been prosecuted.
Well stated. And where is the media to point this out.
It doesn’t fit their agenda, so it’s like it never happened.
One case ( Zimmerman ) self defense. The other clear murder.....
Good question. Never crossed my mind. If so, probably long ago on the DUI, Tracy was a truck driver by profession.
I'd also think the folks at conservativetreehouse would have dug up whatever they could on Tracy.
I was wondering how Tracy got to know Greene. Turns out they are all Freemasons. Greene, Tracy, Crump ...
Al Sharpton continues to stoke riot fires and yet he was a “go to” guy in the VH-1 rockumentary “The Night James Brown Saved Boston” (Al wasn’t even 14 at the time).
Mr. Sharpton is no community leader, he is a racist, an antisemite, a race hustler, and a community agitator.
Cornell West was also a “go to” authority in that documentary, by the way.
James Brown had nothing to do with those guys, he was fairly conservative in real life.
Sharpton worked for Brown in the 1980s. Cornell is a wannabe Marxist who resents capitalism.
The Black Panthers were against James Brown because he was a capitalist.
James saw nothing wrong with capitalism. He was a hard working man, a self-made man, and wanted to benefit from the rewards of his hard work.
He may have endorsed Humphrey, by he played the Nixon inauguration in 1969.
Like the title of his song said, I Don’t Want Nobody to Give Me Nothing (Open up the Door I’ll Get It Myself)
See remarks "Posted by: Redbrow | May 06, 2012 at 06:43 PM" and later.
Know a couple of truck drivers with DUIs. If they own their own truck and are self employed and the DUI was not done on the job, they can’t be denied their “right to work”. They also have those gimics in their vehicles that let them know if LEO is nearby.
Wonder who he drove for...was it a local route or was he a long distance hauler? Know one retired trucker who now admits to carrying a “little contraband” to make extra non-taxable money. He claims that owner/drivers can’t make a living unless they do that type of hauling.
I take it he wasn't hauling Coors.
Modern anarchists have another tactic, handkerchief masks.
I was suggesting they WOULD do so deliberately in order to avoid having to face up to the fact that they don't have a case.
I posted that earlier in a Julia thread where Barack was celebrating cradle to grave handouts.
Used to be "contraband" meant drugs. Now it could be light bulbs and laundry detergent.
Maybe in the cab. Don’t know what he was hauling....As a retiree he attends church regularly and has had quite a bit of guilt about his passed life. Openly talks about it and is a regular visitor at the county jail to witness to young people with substance abuse problems
All that will happen then is the Feds will intervene.
No doubt the feds will intervene, but it gets this case off the plate of the state officials - which I think they are quite anxious to do.
Sorry if not clear. There isn’t any evidence that Zimmerman did anything wrong (vs. plenty that he did something right).
I don’t think the judge cares a whit about the HOA or Zimmerman’s civil problems....he will be more concerned about his own safety. That is the problem with letting intimadation go unchecked. Of course were it a white mob, their would have been no allowed intimadation of the system. PC on steriods.
So what happened ?
Just now seeing this thread. Has the hearing started yet? If not I read an article this morning that said Zimmerman will NOT be appearing at this hearing. There is a written plea of NOT Guilty which his lawyer will present.
Either it hasn’t started yet, or the TV station decided not to live stream it. I’m still monitoring it, but nothing yet.
I just want to hear one of two things, either "guilty" or "not guilty."
No doubt the feds will intervene, but it gets this case off the plate of the state officials - which I think they are quite anxious to do."
Yes. I believe they will "find a way".
Zim zim is a marked man, whether he is guilty or innocent. The race baiters, scam artists and professional hustlers have too much invested to let this one get away.
Oh, and don't forget the civil suit which is really what it is all leading up to. My guess is poor Trayvon had a potential of over one billion dollars.
In other news, O’Mara filed a motion to continue and a waiver of speedy trial today, here:
Does that mean that there will be no arraignment today?
I understood that. My point was that if there is a paperwork failure, the rules give ample opportunity to correct it. The state would have to be told of the error, bascially be told how to fix it, and still fail to fix it, and then do that repeatedly until time ran out.
We knew there would be no arraignment. Defendant waived it weeks ago, by pleading not guilty in writing.
The Motion to continue and waiving speedy trial essentially gets rid of the 175 day statutory deadline for having a trial.
All the action suggests that O'Mara and Corey are working in cahoots to push ultimate resolution as far into the future as the courts will allow.
Gee, right before the election. Who da thunk it?
Nice to see an absence of “Zimmerman is GUILTY!” posts here lately.
>>We knew there would be no arraignment. Defendant waived it weeks ago, by pleading not guilty in writing.<<
That’s odd. As of this morning, the TV station is reporting that it was supposed to be today at 1:30 ET.
Which can mean a couple of things. One - and the primary reason I see for delaying trial - is not good to Zimmerman. I would be to aid O'Mara in negotiating a lesser plea to Corey. On the plus side the more information he obtains to show that the prosecution's story is not supported by facts helps with any lesser plea.
I didn't miss an evidence dump, though, did I? That would either cause O'Mara to move forward quickly if the prosecution had no evidence, or cause him to give up the right to a speedy trial if there were points of evidence he needed to address. The problem there is that the prosecution would normally contest a delay on those grounds. Of course I'm not a litigator. I work in firms with a 100+ litigators and you simply hear them talk the talk.
Not guilty verdict, riots, martial law, suspension of election?
What purpose(s) would be achieved by pushing it far into the future? EXcept it would keep the lawyers on the payroll.
So, O'Mara waived the times provided in Rule 3.191 ...
(a) Speedy Trial without Demand. Except as otherwise provided by this rule, and subject to the limitations imposed under subdivisions (e) and (f), every person charged with a crime shall be brought to trial within 90 days of arrest if the crime charged is a misdemeanor, or within 175 days of arrest if the crime charged is a felony. ...... and in a related motion, he also apprised the court that the additional time is needed to prepare a defense, and that Corey does not object to extending the deadline beyond the date that the law directs.
(b) Speedy Trial upon Demand. Except as otherwise provided by this rule, and subject to the limitations imposed under subdivisions (e) and (g), every person charged with a crime by indictment or information shall have the right to demand a trial within 60 days, by filing with the court a separate pleading entitled "Demand for Speedy Trial," and serving a copy on the prosecuting authority.
Reference to 3.191(g) is out of place, because that section of the Rules pertains ONLY if defendant invokes "Speedy Trial upon Demand," which runs a 60 day clock from filing of demand instead of the default 175 day from arrest clock. O'Mara did NOT file a "Demand for Speedy Trial," so he wouldn't be bound by the 60 day deadline in any event.
Yes, there was an event, but it was not Zimmerman's arraignment. Arraignment is reading of the charge, and taking defendant's plea. Zimmerman waived his right to hear the charge, and plead not guilty, in writing, on April 12th. Today, O'Mara has been formally given the "information," meaning the charging document, in a formal proceeding. Before arraignment, defendant can play a legal fiction of not receiving the formal charge, because the charge is addressed to the court, not the defendant. At arraignment, the defendant gets the charge, and pleads. So I guess we had half of an arraignment today - but the "information" has been a public document since April 12th, and it is beyond risible that O'Mara has not seen it and studied it before today.
COMES NOW the Defendant, GEORGE ZIMMERMAN, by and through his undersigned counsel, pursuant to Florida Rules of Criminal Procedure 3.190(g), and hereby moves to continue this case, and in support of the motion states the following reasons as good cause for the request to continue:
Defendant needs additional time to prepare.
Defendant understands that speedy trial is waived upon the granting of the motion.
The non-moving party stipulates _____, objects _____, does not object __X__, to this Motion.
Counsel certifies that this motion is made in good faith.
Dated this 7th Day of May, 2012 in Orlando, Orange County, Florida.
Mark M. Omara, Esquire
COMES NOW the Defendant, GEORGE ZIMMERMAN, by and through his undersigned attorney, pursuant to Rule 3.191, Florida Rules of Criminal Procedure, and hereby waives speedy trial in the above-styled cause.
GEORGE ZIMMERMAN, Defendant
My apologies to all for believing the media and starting this thread about a non-existent arraignment. Learned something today. :-)
O'Mara's priority should be to get immunity for Zimmerman, on the basis that his use of force was justified.
I think both Corey and O'Mara want to drag this out, and it would be malpractice, bigtime, if O'Mara does not aggressively advocate for immunity.
-- I didn't miss an evidence dump, though, did I? --
No, you did not. I think O'Mara and Corey are working in cahoots to delay publication of evidence for as long as possible, as well. According to FL rules, O'Mara should have had all the state's evidence by April 27th. He didn't want it. As far as I can tell, he doesn't want it now, either.
Get the mob to riot over some other event, rather than the outcome of the Zimmerman case.
Protect Corey from widespread public awareness of how weak her evidence is, and perhaps protect her from the timely filing of charges of unethical conduct.
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